Trending Games | ArcheAge | Trove | WildStar | Forsaken Uprising

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,870,282 Users Online:0
Games:744  Posts:6,253,629
Aventurine SA | Official Site
MMORPG | Genre:Fantasy | Status:Final  (rel 04/16/13)  | Pub:Aventurine SA
PVP:Yes | Distribution:Download | Retail Price:$14.95 | Pay Type:Subscription
System Req: PC | Out of date info? Let us know!

Darkfall: Unholy Wars Forum » General Discussion » Duping/exploiting still in?

5 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 » Search
86 posts found
  tincup2013

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/04/13
Posts: 21

4/06/13 5:22:49 PM#61
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by SysFail
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Greymoor

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?360845-April-2-Skirmisher-feedback-request-Cheating-policies

"On another topic and to give you some insight on what's happening around Aventurine, today we had a discussion on cheating, exploiting etc. In Darkfall Online while we banned more than a couple of thousand accounts we detected cheating, we never revealed names. We made a decision today to be brutal where it comes to cheating and do it "wall of shame" style, no exceptions and no appeals, besides the banning of all associated accounts, we will post the character names - we don't care if it's the account of a leader of the largest Alliance in the game with thousands of players associated with it - he should have known better. Darkfall Unholy Wars is a competitive game and we cannot be lenient with anyone trying to cheat their fellow players. We would like to hear what you think."

 

Seems they want to do it right this time.

What a joke!!!  The Wall of Shame only goes to show AV knows hacking and exploiting will be an issue, so this is their answer? This is going to do nothing to deter anyone, plus its a reactive approach. If AV could properly secure and police their game it wouldnt be needed.

If banning wasn't a deterant, you think putting the name of an alt on some silly list is going to make any difference?

LOL!!!

[mod edit] even SoE with all their resources cannot stop cheaters, but AV did a pretty good job in the end with DF1.

And how do you know they did a pretty good job? Do you have some sort of insight?

They didnt do anything towards cheaters in the first 6 months and some claim Aventurine even cooperated with the worst cheaters we saw in DF1, the Mercs.

http://i.imgur.com/J5dH1.png

Wasnt it a bit odd that that duped boat the Mercs used to harass players with also ended up as a promotion of DF sea warfare here on MMORPG.com. It sure was good advertisment for Aventurine and i'm sure they were eager to get some promotions out, just sad that so many other fair players had to experience fighting a guild full of cheaters.

Yep - exactly what happened...  Not to mention there is a guy named "Doc" who seems to be a dev that did some shady things helping out clans....

  SysFail

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/01/05
Posts: 377

4/06/13 5:24:53 PM#62
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by SysFail
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Greymoor

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?360845-April-2-Skirmisher-feedback-request-Cheating-policies

"On another topic and to give you some insight on what's happening around Aventurine, today we had a discussion on cheating, exploiting etc. In Darkfall Online while we banned more than a couple of thousand accounts we detected cheating, we never revealed names. We made a decision today to be brutal where it comes to cheating and do it "wall of shame" style, no exceptions and no appeals, besides the banning of all associated accounts, we will post the character names - we don't care if it's the account of a leader of the largest Alliance in the game with thousands of players associated with it - he should have known better. Darkfall Unholy Wars is a competitive game and we cannot be lenient with anyone trying to cheat their fellow players. We would like to hear what you think."

 

Seems they want to do it right this time.

What a joke!!!  The Wall of Shame only goes to show AV knows hacking and exploiting will be an issue, so this is their answer? This is going to do nothing to deter anyone, plus its a reactive approach. If AV could properly secure and police their game it wouldnt be needed.

If banning wasn't a deterant, you think putting the name of an alt on some silly list is going to make any difference?

LOL!!!

[mod edit] even SoE with all their resources cannot stop cheaters, but AV did a pretty good job in the end with DF1.

And how do you know they did a pretty good job? Do you have some sort of insight?

They didnt do anything towards cheaters in the first 6 months and some claim Aventurine even cooperated with the worst cheaters we saw in DF1, the Mercs.

http://i.imgur.com/J5dH1.png

Wasnt it a bit odd that that duped boat the Mercs used to harass players with also ended up as a promotion of DF sea warfare here on MMORPG.com. It sure was good advertisment for Aventurine and i'm sure they were eager to get some promotions out, just sad that so many other fair players had to experience fighting a guild full of cheaters.

Yes i played the game, being part of a large clan i saw it all, its only dicks like yourself that continue to think otherwise...

This geezer is showing nothing, i had friends that got banned for using hacks, my god... it just shows how bad some players were  that they continue to try to diss this game, Cetra being a big whore who knew fuck all about combat, but knew how to macro heal mount lol...

  Deerhunter71

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 554

4/06/13 5:57:56 PM#63

Still going to be an issue at launch....  Blatant speed hacking still takes place in beta - so why are they still allowed in the beta?  One would think AV would be testing their supposed "anti cheat" technology on the beta server also...  Sorry but that is not a good sign at all.

Remember this was all "internally tested at AV and an Asian team" yet somehow the persistence bug eluded them all and was not discovered til the 11th hour right before launch... Not to mention AV themselves keep introducing these dupes every time they patch the last few times...


People wonder why some folks are worried about dungeons being put in live after ONLY being "internally tested"....

  Greymoor

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 12/30/10
Posts: 812

4/06/13 7:11:21 PM#64
Originally posted by Deerhunter71

Still going to be an issue at launch....  Blatant speed hacking still takes place in beta - so why are they still allowed in the beta?  One would think AV would be testing their supposed "anti cheat" technology on the beta server also...  Sorry but that is not a good sign at all.

Remember this was all "internally tested at AV and an Asian team" yet somehow the persistence bug eluded them all and was not discovered til the 11th hour right before launch... Not to mention AV themselves keep introducing these dupes every time they patch the last few times...


People wonder why some folks are worried about dungeons being put in live after ONLY being "internally tested"....

I don't see why AV would 'act' on the hackers in the beta. It'd be more wise to use the data gained to have a good detection system introduced at launch, thus giving hackers no chance to work around the anti-cheat w/o having accounts banned first.

Although there have been no hackusation threads or hack threads for a very long time in the beta forums which can only be a positive. We know how fast people are to post it all on the forums. (Real or just outskilled)

  Hancakes

Novice Member

Joined: 2/06/11
Posts: 1106

4/06/13 8:50:45 PM#65
Originally posted by SysFail
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Greymoor

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?360845-April-2-Skirmisher-feedback-request-Cheating-policies

"On another topic and to give you some insight on what's happening around Aventurine, today we had a discussion on cheating, exploiting etc. In Darkfall Online while we banned more than a couple of thousand accounts we detected cheating, we never revealed names. We made a decision today to be brutal where it comes to cheating and do it "wall of shame" style, no exceptions and no appeals, besides the banning of all associated accounts, we will post the character names - we don't care if it's the account of a leader of the largest Alliance in the game with thousands of players associated with it - he should have known better. Darkfall Unholy Wars is a competitive game and we cannot be lenient with anyone trying to cheat their fellow players. We would like to hear what you think."

 

Seems they want to do it right this time.

What a joke!!!  The Wall of Shame only goes to show AV knows hacking and exploiting will be an issue, so this is their answer? This is going to do nothing to deter anyone, plus its a reactive approach. If AV could properly secure and police their game it wouldnt be needed.

If banning wasn't a deterant, you think putting the name of an alt on some silly list is going to make any difference?

LOL!!!

[mod edit] even SoE with all their resources cannot stop cheaters, but AV did a pretty good job in the end with DF1.

A good job? You must be joking !!  AV did nothing to address the 3rd party hacks that plagued the game it's entire life.  I came back to DF1 for the free play prior to it shutting down and was welcomed back by the same hacks that caused me to quit before,

  Hancakes

Novice Member

Joined: 2/06/11
Posts: 1106

4/06/13 8:54:53 PM#66
Originally posted by Greymoor
 

Although there have been no hackusation threads or hack threads for a very long time in the beta forums which can only be a positive. We know how fast people are to post it all on the forums. (Real or just outskilled)

That couldn't have anything to do with the game and forum populations being so low and people frankly just not caring anymore?

 

btw , i wouldnt consider a month ago being a" very long " time in a 5 month beta.   Keep spinning 

  Aragon100

Elite Member

Joined: 2/06/08
Posts: 2224

 
OP  4/06/13 8:55:15 PM#67
Originally posted by SysFail
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by SysFail
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Greymoor

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?360845-April-2-Skirmisher-feedback-request-Cheating-policies

"On another topic and to give you some insight on what's happening around Aventurine, today we had a discussion on cheating, exploiting etc. In Darkfall Online while we banned more than a couple of thousand accounts we detected cheating, we never revealed names. We made a decision today to be brutal where it comes to cheating and do it "wall of shame" style, no exceptions and no appeals, besides the banning of all associated accounts, we will post the character names - we don't care if it's the account of a leader of the largest Alliance in the game with thousands of players associated with it - he should have known better. Darkfall Unholy Wars is a competitive game and we cannot be lenient with anyone trying to cheat their fellow players. We would like to hear what you think."

 

Seems they want to do it right this time.

What a joke!!!  The Wall of Shame only goes to show AV knows hacking and exploiting will be an issue, so this is their answer? This is going to do nothing to deter anyone, plus its a reactive approach. If AV could properly secure and police their game it wouldnt be needed.

If banning wasn't a deterant, you think putting the name of an alt on some silly list is going to make any difference?

LOL!!!

[mod edit] even SoE with all their resources cannot stop cheaters, but AV did a pretty good job in the end with DF1.

And how do you know they did a pretty good job? Do you have some sort of insight?

They didnt do anything towards cheaters in the first 6 months and some claim Aventurine even cooperated with the worst cheaters we saw in DF1, the Mercs.

http://i.imgur.com/J5dH1.png

Wasnt it a bit odd that that duped boat the Mercs used to harass players with also ended up as a promotion of DF sea warfare here on MMORPG.com. It sure was good advertisment for Aventurine and i'm sure they were eager to get some promotions out, just sad that so many other fair players had to experience fighting a guild full of cheaters.

Yes i played the game, being part of a large clan i saw it all, its only dicks like yourself that continue to think otherwise...

This geezer is showing nothing, i had friends that got banned for using hacks, my god... it just shows how bad some players were  that they continue to try to diss this game, Cetra being a big whore who knew fuck all about combat, but knew how to macro heal mount lol...

So you mean i should take your word for it? 

I mean who are you? Aventurine employee?

And try to act a bit more mature next time kiddo.

  Deerhunter71

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 554

4/06/13 8:58:46 PM#68
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by SysFail
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by SysFail
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Greymoor

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?360845-April-2-Skirmisher-feedback-request-Cheating-policies

"On another topic and to give you some insight on what's happening around Aventurine, today we had a discussion on cheating, exploiting etc. In Darkfall Online while we banned more than a couple of thousand accounts we detected cheating, we never revealed names. We made a decision today to be brutal where it comes to cheating and do it "wall of shame" style, no exceptions and no appeals, besides the banning of all associated accounts, we will post the character names - we don't care if it's the account of a leader of the largest Alliance in the game with thousands of players associated with it - he should have known better. Darkfall Unholy Wars is a competitive game and we cannot be lenient with anyone trying to cheat their fellow players. We would like to hear what you think."

 

Seems they want to do it right this time.

What a joke!!!  The Wall of Shame only goes to show AV knows hacking and exploiting will be an issue, so this is their answer? This is going to do nothing to deter anyone, plus its a reactive approach. If AV could properly secure and police their game it wouldnt be needed.

If banning wasn't a deterant, you think putting the name of an alt on some silly list is going to make any difference?

LOL!!!

[mod edit] even SoE with all their resources cannot stop cheaters, but AV did a pretty good job in the end with DF1.

And how do you know they did a pretty good job? Do you have some sort of insight?

They didnt do anything towards cheaters in the first 6 months and some claim Aventurine even cooperated with the worst cheaters we saw in DF1, the Mercs.

http://i.imgur.com/J5dH1.png

Wasnt it a bit odd that that duped boat the Mercs used to harass players with also ended up as a promotion of DF sea warfare here on MMORPG.com. It sure was good advertisment for Aventurine and i'm sure they were eager to get some promotions out, just sad that so many other fair players had to experience fighting a guild full of cheaters.

Yes i played the game, being part of a large clan i saw it all, its only dicks like yourself that continue to think otherwise...

This geezer is showing nothing, i had friends that got banned for using hacks, my god... it just shows how bad some players were  that they continue to try to diss this game, Cetra being a big whore who knew fuck all about combat, but knew how to macro heal mount lol...

So you mean i should take your word for it? 

I mean who are you? Aventurine employee?

And try to act a bit more mature next time kiddo.

The mere fact that they posted where AV stated they banned "thousands" of hackers in DF1 says all you need to know...  The game only had a few thousand players period.  Shows how rampant the hacking was and was still going on til they took the server down.  You and Hancakes are correct - they should be VERY worried about all the exploiting/cheating come day 1....

  Aragon100

Elite Member

Joined: 2/06/08
Posts: 2224

 
OP  4/07/13 9:40:40 AM#69
Originally posted by Deerhunter71

Still going to be an issue at launch....  Blatant speed hacking still takes place in beta - so why are they still allowed in the beta?  One would think AV would be testing their supposed "anti cheat" technology on the beta server also...  Sorry but that is not a good sign at all.

Remember this was all "internally tested at AV and an Asian team" yet somehow the persistence bug eluded them all and was not discovered til the 11th hour right before launch... Not to mention AV themselves keep introducing these dupes every time they patch the last few times...


People wonder why some folks are worried about dungeons being put in live after ONLY being "internally tested"....

Old dupes coming back together with loads of players taking advantage of them is not opening up for a fair game.

Add loads of content needed to be added after release and you will have most likely nothing but a cheater heaven.

  MMO_Fan

Novice Member

Joined: 9/08/07
Posts: 167

4/07/13 2:19:21 PM#70
Originally posted by Greymoor
Originally posted by Deerhunter71

Still going to be an issue at launch....  Blatant speed hacking still takes place in beta - so why are they still allowed in the beta?  One would think AV would be testing their supposed "anti cheat" technology on the beta server also...  Sorry but that is not a good sign at all.

Remember this was all "internally tested at AV and an Asian team" yet somehow the persistence bug eluded them all and was not discovered til the 11th hour right before launch... Not to mention AV themselves keep introducing these dupes every time they patch the last few times...


People wonder why some folks are worried about dungeons being put in live after ONLY being "internally tested"....

I don't see why AV would 'act' on the hackers in the beta. It'd be more wise to use the data gained to have a good detection system introduced at launch, thus giving hackers no chance to work around the anti-cheat w/o having accounts banned first.

Although there have been no hackusation threads or hack threads for a very long time in the beta forums which can only be a positive. We know how fast people are to post it all on the forums. (Real or just outskilled)

 

Some people don't like to playtest against others who are using duped gear and items against them.

Aventurine let beta testers keep the stuff they duped from a week or so back.

  Deerhunter71

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 554

4/07/13 7:51:52 PM#71
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by Deerhunter71

Still going to be an issue at launch....  Blatant speed hacking still takes place in beta - so why are they still allowed in the beta?  One would think AV would be testing their supposed "anti cheat" technology on the beta server also...  Sorry but that is not a good sign at all.

Remember this was all "internally tested at AV and an Asian team" yet somehow the persistence bug eluded them all and was not discovered til the 11th hour right before launch... Not to mention AV themselves keep introducing these dupes every time they patch the last few times...


People wonder why some folks are worried about dungeons being put in live after ONLY being "internally tested"....

Old dupes coming back together with loads of players taking advantage of them is not opening up for a fair game.

Add loads of content needed to be added after release and you will have most likely nothing but a cheater heaven.

Yup - they are launching all sorts of stuff supposedly after launch without using any sort of test server for players to test it on and find bugs.....

  Hancakes

Novice Member

Joined: 2/06/11
Posts: 1106

4/08/13 10:08:12 AM#72
Originally posted by Deerhunter71
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by Deerhunter71

Still going to be an issue at launch....  Blatant speed hacking still takes place in beta - so why are they still allowed in the beta?  One would think AV would be testing their supposed "anti cheat" technology on the beta server also...  Sorry but that is not a good sign at all.

Remember this was all "internally tested at AV and an Asian team" yet somehow the persistence bug eluded them all and was not discovered til the 11th hour right before launch... Not to mention AV themselves keep introducing these dupes every time they patch the last few times...


People wonder why some folks are worried about dungeons being put in live after ONLY being "internally tested"....

Old dupes coming back together with loads of players taking advantage of them is not opening up for a fair game.

Add loads of content needed to be added after release and you will have most likely nothing but a cheater heaven.

Yup - they are launching all sorts of stuff supposedly after launch without using any sort of test server for players to test it on and find bugs.....

Who wants to bet they'll have to wipe after release?  3-4 required wipes to add new features during beta and they still have a mountain of things to add/finish post launch. 

  sanshi44

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/12/09
Posts: 1057

4/08/13 10:17:19 AM#73
Originally posted by Greymoor

The point being you could macro fishing for different tiles lets say but then...

1.) Tile could be empty

2.) You could get ganked

3.) Diminishing returns will quickly bring your prowess gain down to almost nothing

You could do this macro all night and then wake up in the morning and get same amount of Prowess from PvEing for 10 minutes.

This would also have to be a complex macro that knows where to go to each fishing spot w/o hitting objects/mobs/people.

 

So no you can't macro prowess up.

You can also make a dig macro and cook the potatoes you dig up, however in the time frame of cooking those said potatos you could of gotten 3-5 times more prowess killing mobs. so yeah not realy worth it unless ur short on food haha (also takes gold to cook which is somewhat scarce.

  sanshi44

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/12/09
Posts: 1057

4/08/13 10:19:48 AM#74
Originally posted by furidiam

Hum if they release dungeons there were always spots where you could macro. If the prestige comes from killing mobs, it should be easy to macro. Hopefully they removed clan lock boxes so the entrances are not blocked off:)

The dunguens we have seen the corridors are much larger than DF1 dunguens so you cant block them off with a lock box even if they were in the game.

  MMOExposed

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 6/17/10
Posts: 6069

4/09/13 10:41:47 PM#75
I still don't understand. What is this hall of shame?

  MMO_Fan

Novice Member

Joined: 9/08/07
Posts: 167

4/10/13 5:40:03 AM#76
Originally posted by MMOExposed
I still don't understand. What is this hall of shame?

A never-seen, untested, unimplemented idea by Tasos to ban - and then name and shame cheaters, hackers & exploiters.

It will be working perfectly on launch - so there will be no need to spend development resources fixing the exploits.

 

  raapnaap

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/08/05
Posts: 337

4/10/13 6:21:07 AM#77

Bumping this thread with your personal issues isn't going to help anyone that is looking for some actual information.

 

If anyone is still reading this thread and is wondering what the subject title still has in terms of actual effect: There are no duping methods currently in the game. There are a few bugs that, like any bug, could be exploited, but it shouldn't be anything extreme.

 

Regarding the wall of shame: Post UW launch, cheaters will now be publicly mentioned when they are banned. That's all it means, but the reputation hit might make some players less likely to cheat, as reputation means a lot in a game like this.

 

Anti cheat systems: I can't begin to speculate on if they updated it or not. Fact: In the last few months of 1.0's life their detection software was not updated and many people used cheats that were harder to spot but clearly there if you knew what you're looking for. We can only hope they are on the ball for these things after launch.

 

Other than that, it's not bugs, exploits and cheats that are the biggest issue for UW. The biggest issue is questionable design choices, which they are finally starting to come back on now.

  Aragon100

Elite Member

Joined: 2/06/08
Posts: 2224

 
OP  4/10/13 8:45:20 AM#78
Originally posted by raapnaap

 

If anyone is still reading this thread and is wondering what the subject title still has in terms of actual effect: There are no duping methods currently in the game. There are a few bugs that, like any bug, could be exploited, but it shouldn't be anything extreme.

 

How you can be that sure?

Do you believe dupers inform everybody else of their duping methods?

Did the Mercs inform Aventurine or the community of their methods in DF1?

No they did not.

You might be right and lets hope so but claiming there is no duping methods today is stretching the truth as i see it. 

  Hancakes

Novice Member

Joined: 2/06/11
Posts: 1106

4/11/13 10:04:51 PM#79
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by raapnaap

 

If anyone is still reading this thread and is wondering what the subject title still has in terms of actual effect: There are no duping methods currently in the game. There are a few bugs that, like any bug, could be exploited, but it shouldn't be anything extreme.

 

How you can be that sure?

Its called wishful thinking, but there was a known working dupe only 2.5 weeks ago!
  Deerhunter71

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 554

4/12/13 7:01:24 AM#80
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by raapnaap

 

If anyone is still reading this thread and is wondering what the subject title still has in terms of actual effect: There are no duping methods currently in the game. There are a few bugs that, like any bug, could be exploited, but it shouldn't be anything extreme.

 

How you can be that sure?

Its called wishful thinking, but there was a known working dupe only 2.5 weeks ago!

I have talked to 2 clans so far - they cannot wait for the dungeons to be put in without being tested....  They are like we know we will find exploits and we are going to lock them down and it will be money, money, money......

5 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 » Search