Originally posted by marcust

If the game continues to attract more people like the OP then it will succeed.

 

There will always be 2 types of people in Darkfall

1. I WANT MY END GAME PVP AND I WANT IT NOW, I want to macro because I dont have time to really play

and

2. People who want a game where there is a risk involved in pve, and has good pvp

 

Most of the noise comes from group 1.

 

 

There is no reason today for grind and skill gap between players. The problem is that AV has no other content apart of grind and monotous pvp to offer.

What DF: UW has to offer DF didn't have ? Revamped skill and class system ? Slightly better graphics ? DIfferent city and mob spawn placements ? Anything else ? I highly doubt it as Tasos would use it in the marketing campaign already.

AV has no idea about game design and making their game fun for more then few hardcore, basement dwellers.

Originally posted by marcust

If the game continues to attract more people like the OP then it will succeed.

Attracting people to the game was never a problem. DF1 sold 150k copies, DF1 launch the server was bursting at the seams, you had people everywhere, at every mob spawn, at every time of the day, even though the Agon of DF1 was HUGE.

 

1/2 year later and the game was already dead. Why? One simple answer: Aventurine

 

They didn't pull a single finger in DF1 and watched the game die. They never enforced their TOS, they never banned people for mass-exploiting like Acid Pool Parties, Rigormyds, Blood Walls, AFK-macroing. And I even never heard of anyone got banned for exploiting Mobs.

It took them more than 1 year to finally fix the insane OP magic and to "slightly" increase the skill gains. And at this time it was already way too late.

 

Now watching DF:UW and how AV handles it, I can tell you: DF:UW will go the same way DF1 did. Why? Because of Aventurine. 2 months into beta and the majority of players already turned away from the game because it just isn't fun.

If it would be captivating and addicting people would play no matter of Beta and wipe or not. But it isn't captivating. Balancing is more than terrible, Combat is so dumbed down (Wobble Rng, Transfers nerf, ...) and AV is once again not giving a single serious sh*t for community feedback.

 

It's like AV planned to make the worst possible MMO.

I can't understand the hate. I understand someone looking at the game and deciding it's not for them.

It's got:

Aim to attack instead of tab target
Really good boats
city building and nation building
It's got a good mix of magic, archery and melee
crafting is important
The world really is open, pick a direction and go a long way before you ever run into something you can't climb or swim across.
Mounts are great

was it perfect? It was not nearly so, but I don't find any game that even touches it overall and I've played a lot of them.

Even if you disliked Darkfall the way that I dislike theme park MMO's with floating exclamation points and narrow zone passages that lead you from one boring mob to the next I can't understand why you'd have hate.

I don't hate GW2 even though I played to 2 max characters and never found anything as fun or challenging as the starter goblins in Darkfall. I would never go and trash the game the way people trash Darkfall. It's just not for me, that doesn't make it a bad game.

Originally posted by asdar

I can't understand the hate. I understand someone looking at the game and deciding it's not for them.

It's got:

Aim to attack instead of tab target
Really good boats
city building and nation building
It's got a good mix of magic, archery and melee
crafting is important
The world really is open, pick a direction and go a long way before you ever run into something you can't climb or swim across.
Mounts are great

was it perfect? It was not nearly so, but I don't find any game that even touches it overall and I've played a lot of them.

Even if you disliked Darkfall the way that I dislike theme park MMO's with floating exclamation points and narrow zone passages that lead you from one boring mob to the next I can't understand why you'd have hate.

I don't hate GW2 even though I played to 2 max characters and never found anything as fun or challenging as the starter goblins in Darkfall. I would never go and trash the game the way people trash Darkfall. It's just not for me, that doesn't make it a bad game.

this!

Think you need to go update your self, YOU CANT MACRO ANYMORE!!!!

 

I'll say it again, YOU CANT MACRO ANYMORE ITS CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Did you you get that?

it's really not.  Every game that comes out has it.  People thrive on bashing games that they don't intend to play, or perceive some slight against them.

 

Definitely not out of the ordinary.  

Originally posted by tokini

Originally posted by BlackHopper

... that people have for this game is an odd phenomenon.

The old saying "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" comes to mind, but updated to "Hell hath no fury like a guy whos favorite videogame took a direction he was no comfortable with; you'll find him on the forums... every day."

I've never tried DF1, and was looking for a game like Ultima Online. I found DFUW and so far my first impression has been pretty good. Pretty much only one negative experience so far with part of the tutorial that required my buddy to skin a mob we killed, which took about 15 min before it finally succeeded. Other than that sometimes I think the people spewing hate is playing a different game than I am. I've experienced no bugs or crashes.

Now some people say there is a grind in the game, and that might be true depending on how you define grind. Personally I define it as being forced to do an action over and over again, without options doing other things. Basically I define grind as: Being forced to do stuff I don't want ot do.

A bit of playtime yesterday went like this:

Being pretty new to the game I set my guy in wood-chopping-mode while I asked some questions in the chat. I got mostly positive responses from that; but you can't escape the occasional sociopath - they are in every MMO.

When I was done I noticed my mount had been stolen, lol (I actually love you can do that).

Learned my lesson and went to kill zombies to get enough gold to craft a new one. Killed a ton of them, probably 100+. Some of them were tougher than others, and the AI seems different than other MMOs. Went back and crafted a new mount after that.

Then my buddy came online and we rode out into the world. Came across a goblin village which we chose to attack. Killed a bunch of goblins, got some more gold, was almost exploded a few times by goblin shamans (down to <10hp).

At no point did it feel like a grind. The game didn't INSIST that I do something over and over again, it was all my own decisions.

Now in regards to AV as a company I have little experience with them. But I know it is staffed by people. Real people and not robots. People who can be motivated/demotivated. All the hate that is coming in their direction has gotta be demotivating. I hope this doesn't turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy in regards to the game being bad BECAUSE of all the hate.

All I've seen so far is a company trying to make a game, but continually being punished for it, just because its not exactly like DF1. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, and maybe I'll change my mind about the company later. But all the forum warriors spewing hate, day after day, sometimes makes me wonder if they even remember why they are so pissed constantly. If AV made mistakes in the past, move on and allow them to grow.

Being negative all the time is the easy way out. Real men try to see things from the positive, and if that fails, move on.

hi tasos

LOL

The above post is exactly right.  This type of game attracts that type of gamer.  The ones who enjoy "pwning carebear n00bs" and think its hilarious to spawn camp someone until they log off.  These are the same type of people who would think they're super kickass because they beat up a playground full of 10 year olds.  They're hate filled people.

Nice post OP.

You call this hate?  My god have you looked at the sub-forums for upcoming themepark games like ESO or NWO?  I would kill if my MMO of choice had as much in their forums as DF does.

I tried DF1 and found it to have the worst community I have ever seen in an MMO in ten years of playing them.  It was populated completely top to bottom with douchenozzle toolbags.  A few hours after I started, I was happily back in EVE.  I always thought EVE had a terrible community, but honestly the DF1 community could even teach the Goons a few lessons on how to be even bigger douchebags.

With all that said, I'm not surprised in the least that the DF1 community is here crying like babies.

Us Darkfall players can be highly strung in our opinions and we tend to voice our personal views more than in other games, but that is understandable with the extreme competitive nature of the game.

 

But of course there is also a host of gamers, that found they were unable to handle the pressures of a game with the harsh rulesets involved and of course those who've never played DF(which is alot) that like to spew untruth's because they know they're unable to take the knockdowns that Darkfall delivers.

 

Darkfall will always take a pounding from all sides and no more than those who love the game, but just like its players, it gets up, re-equips and gets on with delivering players an experience no other MMO can come close too(sorry eve that includes you).

 

Originally posted by Vesavius

This game has always had a culture of hostility and 'hate'... from the toxic enviroment that was 'Forumfall' (this was back then, not sure how it is now...) to the pitched wars here that we saw throughout it's development. It has always attracted the alienated and angry. It dosen't take much to shift someone that games with this worldview into your worst enemy, especially if that person thinks you are 'selling them out' for a broader market.

Not saying all players of DF fit this bill, I know they don't, I have met some great ones, but... a lot of them seem to.

It had a pretty extreme hate around launch but since then it is the same as any other games, a few trolls with very loud mouths.

Originally posted by h0urg1ass

I tried DF1 and found it to have the worst community I have ever seen in an MMO in ten years of playing them.  It was populated completely top to bottom with douchenozzle toolbags.  A few hours after I started, I was happily back in EVE.  I always thought EVE had a terrible community, but honestly the DF1 community could even teach the Goons a few lessons on how to be even bigger douchebags.

With all that said, I'm not surprised in the least that the DF1 community is here crying like babies.

Hmmmm.... thats interesting. Not nessarly a scientific method or anything but id say at least half or MORE of the DF1 population came from or at least one time played EVE.

I know i did.... and just about everyone in every clan i was in also did as well......Maybe you just need to look within yourself to where the problem is.

Remember folks. DF is a WAR game at its core..... just like EVE. And you need to be brutal and cunning in war.