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Darkfall: Unholy Wars Forum » General Discussion » Confused by the hype

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  Zinzan

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12/03/12 3:11:44 AM#21
Originally posted by Callidor

As a huge fan of Shadowbane, Im dying for a good team based pvp game, however Im hesitant to invest in DFUW. I unfortunately listened to some of the hardcore fans and tried DF shortly after release in NA, and it was crushingly disappointing to me. There was so much hype and it they ended up delivering maybe half of what was listed on their webiste. So here we are again, only now the economy is worse, the MMO genre seems stagnant and now they want a second chance on a niche game? I just dont see it.

Even its most staunch defenders, like DarthRaiden have turned, and that makes me even more suspicious on whether or not this is going to be worth the purchase price. Im certainly not going to be fooled a second time with the bait and switch routine, and im curious given all the hate about DF why everyones so quick to jump on board again.

Seriously, give me some guarantee its not going to be as disasterous as DF1

 

Don't buy it at release is the trick, wait and see how the game actually pans out, too little info at the moment to even guess what the game will be like.

DF1 wasn't disastrous, it just wasn't good and a lot of players who bought it blind hated it because it wasn't what they were led to believe it was going to be.

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  Loke666

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12/03/12 3:16:03 AM#22

I also find the hype somewhat odd. Not that DF was that bad but the game was hyped before release and still only managed to get a rather small but faithfull playerbase.

Even if they manage to get 5 times the original players it would still be a rather small nichegame compared to most other MMOs so the level of the hype seems strangely high to me.

I understand why DFs hype was so large before, they had an rather impressive list of features they planned to add when they first showed us the game but most of those features got scrapped during development, sometimes are stuff impossible to implement no matter how cool the sound on paper, and sometimes do some things sound really fun but isnt. Most people here quit the game pretty fast as I remember even if the hardcore fans were really hardcore.

So nothing against DF:UW but I just dont see it reaching 100K players no matter what they do, it seems just too niched.

Or maybe you guys just know something I missed...

  ste2000

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12/03/12 3:34:27 AM#23
Originally posted by Callidor

Seriously, give me some guarantee its not going to be as disasterous as DF1

 

There is no guarantee

AV is a small team and they will struggle to cope with all the aspect of a MMO release.

They will try their best, but probably it won't be enough.

 

The reason why DF is one of the most hyped MMOs (both the original version and this one) is because it's a real MMO, with real community, the players make the game as it should be every MMO.

Sure the Full Loot is not everyone cup of tea, but for PvPers this is the dream MMO come true, at least on paper.

 

I am not a PvPer actually I am more of a PvEr (a Raider), yet I played DF for 2 years and had 2 accounts and I considered Darkfall as one of the best MMOs ever together with UO, EQ, SWG, EVE and Vanilla WOW.

I loved the first one with all its faults, exploits, and bugs............this can't be any worse since it is the same game just being fixed.

So yeah..............I am HYPED!

  SysFail

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12/03/12 4:12:43 AM#24

I'm not sure what there is to be confused about.

DF offers a world where players are the main content, not the other way round where the game makes the content and the players just get on for the ride, DF is what many consider a true traditional MMO, thus the hype.

  wireded21

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12/03/12 4:21:47 AM#25
It's a Full loot free for all roller coaster ride of adrenlin... simple.
  Fusion

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12/03/12 4:24:39 AM#26

Don't know if the OP knows, but since you bought the original DF1, you can hop into DF:UW for the price of the sub (the price of 2 pints at the local drunkyard).

No need to buy anything.

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  MadnessRealm

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12/03/12 5:25:30 AM#27
Originally posted by Onomas

Hope I am wrong, anyone that knows me knows I LOVE SANDBOXES. But just not enough details yet.

Do you prefer sandboxes or PvP games? Because DF1 was much closer to the latter and given the lack of coverage I fear the same will be true for DFUW. Not to say that PvP games are bad (as I did play DF for a little under 2 years) but by the way things were implemented, it surely didn't play like a sandbox for me (and I love sandboxes as well).

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  mikethk

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12/03/12 5:38:26 AM#28

I followed all the making of DFUW.

 

Its a new game... Its literally DF 2.0 a recreation of DF 1.0

If you like the idea about mass combat, ships, fishing with boats, sieges, PVP, PVE, no instanced world, then you should gief it a try. Cause im pretty sure, it will be damn hard to find something that will do the job better than DFUW.

 

We know there system worked..... Now its polished. The combat is simplyfied, the map is made more perfect to fit PVP and PVE. Hamlets gief more reasons now......

 

Dont be so afraid. Try believe...... You cant reargue that DF have a nice engine going.... The system is working. DF 1.0 worked, but missed simplicity. We have that now. It is DF 1.0 but in a VERY polished version. A recreation.

  karmath

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12/03/12 5:44:49 AM#29

Will it be everyones cup of tea and the saviour of MMO's as whole? No.

Will it still be a good game for those into the PvP focused sandbox genre? Yes.

  Caldrin

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12/03/12 5:50:43 AM#30
Originally posted by Callidor

As a huge fan of Shadowbane, Im dying for a good team based pvp game, however Im hesitant to invest in DFUW. I unfortunately listened to some of the hardcore fans and tried DF shortly after release in NA, and it was crushingly disappointing to me. There was so much hype and it they ended up delivering maybe half of what was listed on their webiste. So here we are again, only now the economy is worse, the MMO genre seems stagnant and now they want a second chance on a niche game? I just dont see it.

Even its most staunch defenders, like DarthRaiden have turned, and that makes me even more suspicious on whether or not this is going to be worth the purchase price. Im certainly not going to be fooled a second time with the bait and switch routine, and im curious given all the hate about DF why everyones so quick to jump on board again.

Seriously, give me some guarantee its not going to be as disasterous as DF1

 

Well if you brought DF1 then you dont need to buy DF:UW all you need to do is pay a months sub to get access so not the end of the world.

 

 

I realyl enjoyed the origional Darkfall and in truth I think DF:UW is gonig to be basically the same game just with a few changes here and there.

 

What where the main things you didnt like about DF 1.0?

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  DavisFlight

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12/03/12 7:47:11 AM#31
Uhh, Darkfall launched with just about everything they said it would. Only thing I can think of that it didn't have was the skill cap.
  DarthRaiden

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12/03/12 10:20:01 AM#32
Originally posted by corpusc

you are gonna let DarthRaiden influence you?

its not obvious he was one of the most unbalanced posters both before AND after his flipflop stance on DF?

 

It isn't me who doing flip flops.

Who did declare war on Ed Zitron back in 2009  but now accept all the unneeded stuff eddi boy complained about and Tasos and AV rushed to add to game pleasing him and hislikes despite there have been more important things and better solutions and direction to take for all the  potential  original DF  had?

Its clearly not me ...

I am not the one who claims how different the game is from DF1 and how "new" it is and applaud it in the same time...

The good thing is this time Eddi boy will find his greatsword and will equip it and connect  hits on you and own you in UW if you got the wrong role and he choose the right one by accident...

 

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  Callidor

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OP  12/03/12 1:39:05 PM#33
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
Originally posted by corpusc

you are gonna let DarthRaiden influence you?

its not obvious he was one of the most unbalanced posters both before AND after his flipflop stance on DF?

 

It isn't me who doing flip flops.

Who did declare war on Ed Zitron back in 2009  but now accept all the unneeded stuff eddi boy complained about and Tasos and AV rushed to add to game pleasing him and hislikes despite there have been more important things and better solutions and direction to take for all the  potential  original DF  had?

Its clearly not me ...

I am not the one who claims how different the game is from DF1 and how "new" it is and applaud it in the same time...

The good thing is this time Eddi boy will find his greatsword and will equip it and connect  hits on you and own you in UW if you got the wrong role and he choose the right one by accident...

 

Are you saying the PvP in DFUW is basically paper rock scissors?

  Salenger

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12/03/12 2:04:28 PM#34
I played Darkfall from NA launch until a few months prior to its shtdown for UW, and even with all the issue's from the beginning it was still the best MMO imo to date. Free aim, Full loot...player skill based pvp instead of Tab target, player cities/hamlets, player/small clan housing (keeps), Massive siege battles, asset destruction, mounted combat, decent crafting, resource gathering and so on. Now if any of the above doesn't interest you then stay away from Darkfall UW :P, i mean people play darkfall because it offers what no other MMO offers or has done well, most of the vets from 1.0 put up with the issue's because of how fun the game was, nothing can compare to Darkfall's high and low moments, the pvp is always a rush. I feel a majority of gamers that dislike Darkfall are the ones who care too much about their in game bank status, people that love to horde items and never risk losing them, but thats the fun in Darkfall, you take a risk. BTW TS, please elaborate on what issues made you choose to quit, many of them were fixed in 1.0, and im not sure what they didn't deliver on, please be specific if you can, i will offer and advice i can. Would hate to see a pvp fan miss out on DFUW due to bad impressions from 1.0 Launch.
  Salenger

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12/03/12 2:06:14 PM#35
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
Originally posted by corpusc

you are gonna let DarthRaiden influence you?

its not obvious he was one of the most unbalanced posters both before AND after his flipflop stance on DF?

 

It isn't me who doing flip flops.

Who did declare war on Ed Zitron back in 2009  but now accept all the unneeded stuff eddi boy complained about and Tasos and AV rushed to add to game pleasing him and hislikes despite there have been more important things and better solutions and direction to take for all the  potential  original DF  had?

Its clearly not me ...

I am not the one who claims how different the game is from DF1 and how "new" it is and applaud it in the same time...

The good thing is this time Eddi boy will find his greatsword and will equip it and connect  hits on you and own you in UW if you got the wrong role and he choose the right one by accident...

 

 

Im clearly missing your point lol.
  Salenger

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12/03/12 2:07:50 PM#36
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Uhh, Darkfall launched with just about everything they said it would. Only thing I can think of that it didn't have was the skill cap.

 

There was alot missing, but they added it in shortly after, (3-6months), many features AV has described during the development and beta never made it in.
  kikoodutroa8

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12/03/12 4:13:34 PM#37
Just like swotor, tsw and gw2, darkfall is going to fix everything!
  king0fmars

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12/03/12 5:07:32 PM#38
Darkfall 1 wasn't the best game but if you were looking for something specific it had the potential to be someones favorite game. It was certainly worth the purchase price to try darkfall and see if it was for you. The same is obviously true for darkfall unholy wars but if you bought darkfall 1 you get UW for free.
  king0fmars

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12/03/12 5:08:08 PM#39
Originally posted by kikoodutroa8
Just like swotor, tsw and gw2, darkfall is going to fix everything!

one of these games, is not like the others

  xpiher

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12/04/12 6:23:42 AM#40
Originally posted by Loke666

I also find the hype somewhat odd. Not that DF was that bad but the game was hyped before release and still only managed to get a rather small but faithfull playerbase.

Even if they manage to get 5 times the original players it would still be a rather small nichegame compared to most other MMOs so the level of the hype seems strangely high to me.

I understand why DFs hype was so large before, they had an rather impressive list of features they planned to add when they first showed us the game but most of those features got scrapped during development, sometimes are stuff impossible to implement no matter how cool the sound on paper, and sometimes do some things sound really fun but isnt. Most people here quit the game pretty fast as I remember even if the hardcore fans were really hardcore.

So nothing against DF:UW but I just dont see it reaching 100K players no matter what they do, it seems just too niched.

Or maybe you guys just know something I missed...

The game sold enough for them to hire more devs, upgrade offices, pay down loans, get investors, and relanch the game with completely new systems, better graphics, and upgraded technology. I'm pretty sure DFO sold at least 100k. Hell, EU launch had at least 50k people. 

The reason there is hype is because there isn't anything good coming out any time soon, DF:UW offers the only viable full loot FFA PvP game, its the only sandbox game being launched, and it LOOKS GOOD!

Note to the people who think DFO is paper rock sisscors: its not really. Looking at the roles, each role has its strength and weaknesses, and each role has a way to counter the strengths of every other role (from the looks of it). For it to be rock paper sisscors, you wouldn't be able to counter paper with rock.


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