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Infestation: Survivor Stories Forum » General Discussion » Is this going to turn out to be a gankfest or are there pve servers ?

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  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

10/17/12 11:33:53 AM#61
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by roo67

The sociopath remark was in the context of a player turning around and shooting another player in the back after helping him . It by no means assumes every person playing this game is a sociopath what so ever . I'm just making the point when a game is set up in such a way your going to attract a certain demographic which will include a lot of anti-social players that enjoy doing that sort of thing . Which is fine in a FPS but limits an mmo because it means its likly to lack community .

Yeah, I don't agree, the game is designed to attract survial game players.

Lots of folks like drama.  That is what you are describing here.

Betrayal.  Drama.

Shakespearian type stuff going on here my friend.

Sorry you apparently had a vision in your head of what kind of game you hoped this would be and are now disappointed when its nothing like your imagination.

 

I really didnt have any expectations which is why I came on these forums to guage what the game was going to be like . It turns out it  appears to be one massive death match which will proberbly lack any community . Which is fine but its not for me .

Then why did you say you had hopes for this game, and that you were disapointed? 

Just figures of speech?

" Shame I really wanted to like this game but the more I'm hearing it just sounds like a massive deathmatch where you cant trust anyone ."   So you really wanted to like it based off what?  You had to have some expectations.

I don't think they'd make a PVE version of a survival game, it would not make any sense.  In EVERY single zombie film I've seen someone betrays the group, or the group betrays one of its members.   You CANNOT have that level of intrigue with forced factions.

This game is trying to be true to the "survivalist feeling"

  TwoThreeFour

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10/17/12 11:36:50 AM#62
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by roo67

The sociopath remark was in the context of a player turning around and shooting another player in the back after helping him . It by no means assumes every person playing this game is a sociopath what so ever . I'm just making the point when a game is set up in such a way your going to attract a certain demographic which will include a lot of anti-social players that enjoy doing that sort of thing . Which is fine in a FPS but limits an mmo because it means its likly to lack community .

Yeah, I don't agree, the game is designed to attract survial game players.

Lots of folks like drama.  That is what you are describing here.

Betrayal.  Drama.

Shakespearian type stuff going on here my friend.

Sorry you apparently had a vision in your head of what kind of game you hoped this would be and are now disappointed when its nothing like your imagination.

 

I really didnt have any expectations which is why I came on these forums to guage what the game was going to be like . It turns out it  appears to be one massive death match which will proberbly lack any community . Which is fine but its not for me .

My guess is that to compensate for the lack of ingame community, there will be a larger focus on the community outside of the game, such as in the forum.

  Harafnir

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10/17/12 11:40:39 AM#63

So.... OP and others that write about a game they do not like has spent pages here now, trashtalking those that try to answer the questions. Calling people sociopaths, juvenile and stupid several times, even though all others have done is try to defend a game with a different setting than the norm. No personal attacks from the supporters. Only abuse from those that write about a game they have no interest in. And moderators.... Not a sound. Then, from personal experience, I know you get banned if you meet an abuser on his own field, especially if you point is his old post history and how it fits with his current viewpoint.

As always.. stellar work!

And yes, I know.. I will get a warning or ban for pointing it out. Come get me...

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It should be thrown with great force"

  kaiser3282

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10/17/12 11:45:59 AM#64
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by roo67

From some of the comments I've been reading this game sounds like it wont be able to develop much fo a community given that everyone you see pretty much is gonna shoot on sight .  This makes it all but impossible to make friends in the game .

It's very clear that you've never played a PvP game before then... do you think FFA PVP games are just giant 1v1 gank fests? They aren't. You can make friends just fine. Actually, since you depend on other people in survival games, you're much more likely to make friends in a game like this than say, GW2 where no one talks and ignores each other because everyone can solo.

Yeah, a lot of people just dont get it because they arent a part of that community. They hear bad things, or experience a small sampling and just assume everyone who enjoys PvP games is the same. Its like racial / religious prejudices. Like "Oh those people have different beliefs than us. Theyre a bunch of uncivilized savages incapable of a superior society like ours".

Ive mentioned before about playing FPS games for years, as well as my experiences in Darkfall and RF Online. In FPS games I developed relationships and formed a large clan with people who I played with and knew every well for several years and got to know some of them IRL. Ive also had my greatest community experiences in PvP games like Darkfall and RF (both PvP games) because of, like you said, your depency on eachother to survive. People who I got to know very well and knew I could count on to back me up or to lead things in my absence. Hell even just from forming up random Warbands in WAR and playing with those people in RvR on a regular basis we all got to know eachother quite well, always recognized eachother, and were always happy to see eachother.

Ive found for the most part in PvE games, though I have made some friends, a lot of the time the people I come across in my adventures are just replaceable people who might as well just have a number over their head rather than a name because I cant differentiate between them and someone else. They were just some person I killed some stuff with and then moved on. If I ran into them again, cool. If not, oh well ill just go kill some stuff with someone else.

I get that initially the "Pvp crowd" might seem like it wouldnt make a good community. But because of our need to come together and fight off common enemies, and our tendency to find people we fight well alongside and share common goals with and stick with them constantly, the groups within that crowd who arent at eachothers throats are actually some of the tightest.

I think a lot of this also has to do with the challenge, or lack of it, that both types of games present. Even if you enjoy them youve got to admit PvE games tend to be extremely easy throughout the majority of the game except for the very toughest content (like bosses, dungeons, etc). If you find a group to do that stuff with regularly, then yeah you might form a pretty tight little comunity. But in comparison, taking on other human players is much more challenging than your standard PvE content, and so people tend to band together more throughout the entire game to overcome their opponents.

  User Deleted
10/17/12 11:50:22 AM#65
If an individual is going to run around calling people sociopaths because they are interested in a different game style to them, then I think ganking is going to be the least of their issues in terms of "making friends".
  RefMinor

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10/17/12 11:55:15 AM#66
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by roo67

From some of the comments I've been reading this game sounds like it wont be able to develop much fo a community given that everyone you see pretty much is gonna shoot on sight .  This makes it all but impossible to make friends in the game .

It's very clear that you've never played a PvP game before then... do you think FFA PVP games are just giant 1v1 gank fests? They aren't. You can make friends just fine. Actually, since you depend on other people in survival games, you're much more likely to make friends in a game like this than say, GW2 where no one talks and ignores each other because everyone can solo.

Yeah, a lot of people just dont get it because they arent a part of that community. They hear bad things, or experience a small sampling and just assume everyone who enjoys PvP games is the same. Its like racial / religious prejudices. Like "Oh those people have different beliefs than us. Theyre a bunch of uncivilized savages incapable of a superior society like ours".

Ive mentioned before about playing FPS games for years, as well as my experiences in Darkfall and RF Online. In FPS games I developed relationships and formed a large clan with people who I played with and knew every well for several years and got to know some of them IRL. Ive also had my greatest community experiences in PvP games like Darkfall and RF (both PvP games) because of, like you said, your depency on eachother to survive. People who I got to know very well and knew I could count on to back me up or to lead things in my absence. Hell even just from forming up random Warbands in WAR and playing with those people in RvR on a regular basis we all got to know eachother quite well, always recognized eachother, and were always happy to see eachother.

Ive found for the most part in PvE games, though I have made some friends, a lot of the time the people I come across in my adventures are just replaceable people who might as well just have a number over their head rather than a name because I cant differentiate between them and someone else. They were just some person I killed some stuff with and then moved on. If I ran into them again, cool. If not, oh well ill just go kill some stuff with someone else.

I get that initially the "Pvp crowd" might seem like it wouldnt make a good community. But because of our need to come together and fight off common enemies, and our tendency to find people we fight well alongside and share common goals with and stick with them constantly, the groups within that crowd who arent at eachothers throats are actually some of the tightest.

I think a lot of this also has to do with the challenge, or lack of it, that both types of games present. Even if you enjoy them youve got to admit PvE games tend to be extremely easy throughout the majority of the game except for the very toughest content (like bosses, dungeons, etc). If you find a group to do that stuff with regularly, then yeah you might form a pretty tight little comunity. But in comparison, taking on other human players is much more challenging than your standard PvE content, and so people tend to band together more throughout the entire game to overcome their opponents.

Nice post

  zigzagsII

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10/17/12 11:56:11 AM#67
Originally posted by roo67

From some of the comments I've been reading this game sounds like it wont be able to develop much fo a community given that everyone you see pretty much is gonna shoot on sight .  This makes it all but impossible to make friends in the game .

So I'm wondering what sort of different types of server options do you have . How bad is the ganking ?

Also given is ment to be 60 square miles eventually with 250 people per server will this mean coming across other players will be quite rare and the ganking infrequent ?

I don't mind pvp but if your being ganked left right and centre the game becomes unplayable in the end . I don't even mind being ganked now and then as long as its not a gankfest .

Are there factions ie. survivors and bandits ? So you know if your going to encounter a friendly or enemy player . Or is it like Age of Conan where anyone apart from your guild can kill you ?

The purpose of this game isn't what you're used to playing. Coming here and trying to change something different into something you're used to has fail written all over it. DayZ was successful because there wasn't PVE in the way you are used to. They already have games with raids, PVE, carebear land...why not go back and play them and not change something that is daring to be different.

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

10/17/12 12:06:37 PM#68
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by roo67

From some of the comments I've been reading this game sounds like it wont be able to develop much fo a community given that everyone you see pretty much is gonna shoot on sight .  This makes it all but impossible to make friends in the game .

It's very clear that you've never played a PvP game before then... do you think FFA PVP games are just giant 1v1 gank fests? They aren't. You can make friends just fine. Actually, since you depend on other people in survival games, you're much more likely to make friends in a game like this than say, GW2 where no one talks and ignores each other because everyone can solo.

Yeah, a lot of people just dont get it because they arent a part of that community. They hear bad things, or experience a small sampling and just assume everyone who enjoys PvP games is the same. Its like racial / religious prejudices. Like "Oh those people have different beliefs than us. Theyre a bunch of uncivilized savages incapable of a superior society like ours".

Ive mentioned before about playing FPS games for years, as well as my experiences in Darkfall and RF Online. In FPS games I developed relationships and formed a large clan with people who I played with and knew every well for several years and got to know some of them IRL. Ive also had my greatest community experiences in PvP games like Darkfall and RF (both PvP games) because of, like you said, your depency on eachother to survive. People who I got to know very well and knew I could count on to back me up or to lead things in my absence. Hell even just from forming up random Warbands in WAR and playing with those people in RvR on a regular basis we all got to know eachother quite well, always recognized eachother, and were always happy to see eachother.

Ive found for the most part in PvE games, though I have made some friends, a lot of the time the people I come across in my adventures are just replaceable people who might as well just have a number over their head rather than a name because I cant differentiate between them and someone else. They were just some person I killed some stuff with and then moved on. If I ran into them again, cool. If not, oh well ill just go kill some stuff with someone else.

I get that initially the "Pvp crowd" might seem like it wouldnt make a good community. But because of our need to come together and fight off common enemies, and our tendency to find people we fight well alongside and share common goals with and stick with them constantly, the groups within that crowd who arent at eachothers throats are actually some of the tightest.

I think a lot of this also has to do with the challenge, or lack of it, that both types of games present. Even if you enjoy them youve got to admit PvE games tend to be extremely easy throughout the majority of the game except for the very toughest content (like bosses, dungeons, etc). If you find a group to do that stuff with regularly, then yeah you might form a pretty tight little comunity. But in comparison, taking on other human players is much more challenging than your standard PvE content, and so people tend to band together more throughout the entire game to overcome their opponents.

Nice post

I agree, quoted to bump so hopefully more will read it.

  User Deleted
10/17/12 12:06:55 PM#69
Originally posted by SlickShoes

They need to fix weapon balance, being able to kill someone in 3 hits with a torch is not realistic nor does it lend to good game play. 

If the torch was balanced as a weapon and took many hits to kill then there wouldn't be rampant spawn ganking as people would have a chance to run away or fight back.

No what they need to do is fix random PK'ing.  There needs to be super harsh penalties for random killing.  Its a Flash Light, Torches are those things with actual fire coming off the end.  j/k I know your British.

  Kyleran

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10/17/12 12:17:53 PM#70
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by roo67

From some of the comments I've been reading this game sounds like it wont be able to develop much fo a community given that everyone you see pretty much is gonna shoot on sight .  This makes it all but impossible to make friends in the game .

It's very clear that you've never played a PvP game before then... do you think FFA PVP games are just giant 1v1 gank fests? They aren't. You can make friends just fine. Actually, since you depend on other people in survival games, you're much more likely to make friends in a game like this than say, GW2 where no one talks and ignores each other because everyone can solo.

Yeah, a lot of people just dont get it because they arent a part of that community. They hear bad things, or experience a small sampling and just assume everyone who enjoys PvP games is the same. Its like racial / religious prejudices. Like "Oh those people have different beliefs than us. Theyre a bunch of uncivilized savages incapable of a superior society like ours".

Ive mentioned before about playing FPS games for years, as well as my experiences in Darkfall and RF Online. In FPS games I developed relationships and formed a large clan with people who I played with and knew every well for several years and got to know some of them IRL. Ive also had my greatest community experiences in PvP games like Darkfall and RF (both PvP games) because of, like you said, your depency on eachother to survive. People who I got to know very well and knew I could count on to back me up or to lead things in my absence. Hell even just from forming up random Warbands in WAR and playing with those people in RvR on a regular basis we all got to know eachother quite well, always recognized eachother, and were always happy to see eachother.

Ive found for the most part in PvE games, though I have made some friends, a lot of the time the people I come across in my adventures are just replaceable people who might as well just have a number over their head rather than a name because I cant differentiate between them and someone else. They were just some person I killed some stuff with and then moved on. If I ran into them again, cool. If not, oh well ill just go kill some stuff with someone else.

I get that initially the "Pvp crowd" might seem like it wouldnt make a good community. But because of our need to come together and fight off common enemies, and our tendency to find people we fight well alongside and share common goals with and stick with them constantly, the groups within that crowd who arent at eachothers throats are actually some of the tightest.

I think a lot of this also has to do with the challenge, or lack of it, that both types of games present. Even if you enjoy them youve got to admit PvE games tend to be extremely easy throughout the majority of the game except for the very toughest content (like bosses, dungeons, etc). If you find a group to do that stuff with regularly, then yeah you might form a pretty tight little comunity. But in comparison, taking on other human players is much more challenging than your standard PvE content, and so people tend to band together more throughout the entire game to overcome their opponents.

Nice post

I agree, quoted to bump so hopefully more will read it.

It reads well, even if the core concept is flawed.  Some of the best friends I ever made in MMO's was from running the PVE only content of DAOC.   (which then carried over into the PVP portion of the game)

The challenge in DAOC was to efficiently level to 50, it was not easy back then, especially if you were trying to solo the upper levels. (40-50).  The great socialization came from the interdepence mechanics built into the PVE combat/systems, including the forced downtime betrween fights, and other timesinks most modern MMO's today eschew.

You can build just as strong a bond between players in a PVE game as a PVP one, has nothing really to do with the situation.

What you really need to do is create a situation, either PVE or PVP that encourages players to band together to defeat the common enemy, whether its a NPC mob or another group of players.

I'll agree, most modern MMO's don't provide this experience in PVE,  outside of their dungeons and raiding they are largely solo experiences that provide few opportunities to build social bonds, but ask anyone from the old school MMO's, such as EQ 1, AC, AO, FFXI or some others and you'll find very strong communities were built from their PVE activities.

So I don't end up totally off topic, it doesn't sound like WAR Z is going to be much of a virtual world style MMORPG with the proper systems in place to foster and develop a strong community. (See EVE for a great example of how to create a PVP centric game without the ensuing gankfest to go with)

Go with what the OP said,it will largely be a everyone for themselves dogfight, with most interaction coming from any groups you chose to ally yourself with.

No room for Uncle Owen in this title I'm afraid.

 

 

 

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  Sentime

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10/17/12 12:25:33 PM#71

Yeah make anothe PvE themepark and hype it to death so people might buy it.

*YAWN*

  halflife25

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10/17/12 12:31:05 PM#72
Originally posted by roo67
 

You didnt answer my question . Would you shoot someone in the back after they helped you in game ?

And why not? if someone wants to play evil character or just a complete douchebag doesn't mean he is sociopath in real life. It is a virtual world so you can be anyone you want to be. Good or bad. you are generalising that somehow what you do in online games reflects on your real life or vice versa. This is absurd.

 

  FrodoFragins

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10/17/12 12:50:11 PM#73
Originally posted by Caldrin

no pve servers, game would be boring as hell if that was the case.

Not necessarilly.  Think "The Walking Dead" series of comics.  But that kind of game would take a LOT more work by the developers.  WarZ is painfully simple, and no that doesn't mean bad.  You spawn, need food and weapons to survive.  Most players you encounter will try to kill you.  Have fun until they or a zombie do.

  User Deleted
 
OP  10/17/12 5:22:54 PM#74
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by Caldrin

no pve servers, game would be boring as hell if that was the case.

Not necessarilly.  Think "The Walking Dead" series of comics.  But that kind of game would take a LOT more work by the developers.  WarZ is painfully simple, and no that doesn't mean bad.  You spawn, need food and weapons to survive.  Most players you encounter will try to kill you.  Have fun until they or a zombie do.

I think the problem is that the way its been built up on the website is that it sounds like it was going to be more than a simple Frag and Gank fest .

Actually outside of these forum on The War Z facebook page a lot of people are disapointed this is the way the game is headed .

There are calling for different server options such as pve and faction based play . 

I think eventually there will be a decent Zombie surival mmo which isn't just a massive death match and isn't a cake walk . But a lot more thought needs to go into it .

The comics are excellent by the way well worth a read and different enough from the tv series to make them interesting .

  User Deleted
 
OP  10/17/12 5:42:03 PM#75
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by roo67
 

You didnt answer my question . Would you shoot someone in the back after they helped you in game ?

And why not? if someone wants to play evil character or just a complete douchebag doesn't mean he is sociopath in real life. It is a virtual world so you can be anyone you want to be. Good or bad. you are generalising that somehow what you do in online games reflects on your real life or vice versa. This is absurd.

 

Taken out of context . I was refering to someone who kills someone else after they come to thier help in game . Someone who does such a thing is more likly to be anti social in real life as they are in a game .

Theres quite an interesting documentary done by the bbc examining the evil gene or warrior gene. Very basically around 25 percent of people have a gentic difference that makes them lack a certain emapthy for others . This doesn't nessesarily make them likly to go out and be a mass murderer but it does make them by definition a sociopath . 

There is obviously a need for people with the warrior gene . In the past and proberbly the present they make good soldiers .

If the figures are correct around 25 percent of the population have sociopathic traits to some degree . If your the sort of person that thinks its funny to kill a person in a game after they ve just helped you I would think you have a better than average chance that you have your one of that 25 percent .

Mind you if your a sociopath you proberbly wont agree with a word I've said because it hits a little to close to home . :P

  halflife25

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10/17/12 5:47:26 PM#76
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by roo67
 

You didnt answer my question . Would you shoot someone in the back after they helped you in game ?

And why not? if someone wants to play evil character or just a complete douchebag doesn't mean he is sociopath in real life. It is a virtual world so you can be anyone you want to be. Good or bad. you are generalising that somehow what you do in online games reflects on your real life or vice versa. This is absurd.

 

Taken out of context . I was refering to someone who kills someone else after they come to thier help in game . Someone who does such a thing is more likly to be anti social in real life as they are in a game .

Theres quite an interesting documentary done by the bbc examining the evil gene or warrior gene. Very basically around 25 percent of people have a gentic difference that makes them lack a certain emapthy for others . This doesn't nessesarily make them likly to go out and be a mass murderer but it does make them by definition a sociopath . 

There is obviously a need for people with the warrior gene . In the past and proberbly the present they make good soldiers .

If the figures are correct around 25 percent of the population have sociopathic traits to some degree . If your the sort of person that thinks its funny to kill a person in a game after they ve just helped you I would think you have a better than average chance that you have your one of that 25 percent .

Mind you if your a sociopath you proberbly wont agree with a word I've said because it hits a little to close to home . :P

And you still continue with your nonsense. No i am not a sociopath and i don't enjoy killign people for sake of it. But i also know that MMOS are virtual worlds and their main draw is to be someone you can not be in real life. And if a MMO offers you freedom to role play as a complete evil or a angel with halo on your head, players are free to chose their playing style.

The settings of WAR Z makes it even more natural because if world is goign to hell, morality is last thign to care for. So if someone is shoting in your back doesn't mean he wants to do the same in real life.

  Zadawn

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10/17/12 6:30:54 PM#77

You will have no idea who you will encounter,it is a game of survival and trust.

If i'm out of water and i'm thirsty and i happen to stumble upon you,i'm going to take your water either by killing or robbing you.

 

People will do anything to survive.Though i agree that it is much better to go and scavenge in groups,i don't trust others.

  User Deleted
10/17/12 6:41:45 PM#78

It's a shame but it sounds like they wont develop pve servers even though that would expand their pockets, there's a very vocal group in the warz forums that say the game would be meaningless without pvp, which I say is a load of crap. There is an endless sea of games designed with no pvp, sure pvp is a slice of the pie of the developers intended experience, but it is not the whole, and there is PLENTY of fun to be had with the other slices. 

 

With that said, the inclusions of pve servers would not hamper on pvp servers in any way. Ultimately the arguements seems to boil down to "well it would take the developer focus away from the pvp", which is already a giant assumption, but if that's where the money is at then why shouldn't they? (which I doubt, considering how armed assault II is STILL on the steam top-ten list). 

 

Anyways, it boils down to pvpers wanting to force their gamestyle on other players, seriously the inclusion of seperate pve servers in no way, hampers gameplay experience for the pvpers, considering how these servers would be segregated, but their response? No way in hell. 

 

 

  GolbezTheLion

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10/17/12 6:45:06 PM#79

Do people do zero research before getting involved with a new game?

It's a game designed around PvP and survival. I'm so god damned sick of people trying to turn games against the original design all because they didn't do any homework before they started playing.

The devs are not going to change the game into anything PvE centric, so if you don't like that concept then it's best you leave now and save yourself the wasted effort.

  darkhalf357x

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Posts: 1108

I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?

10/17/12 6:52:59 PM#80
So what happens if ten or so people band together and form like a 'walking dead' like pack?  They could protect themselves from getting ganked, secure resources, etc.  If gameplay is this flexible I might check it out.  I'd definitely organize a team to hold it down.  

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