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Infestation: Survivor Stories Forum » General Discussion » Is this going to turn out to be a gankfest or are there pve servers ?

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  RefMinor

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10/17/12 10:48:31 AM#41
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by RefMinor

So liking something different to you in a make believe world is your definition of being a sociopath? Wow.

Not having the awareness to undestand that even in a make believe environment (such as films, books, games etc...) it exists in the real world and therefore has an effect....ouch, but that is bad news!

The problem with this kind of statement is that you make is as if the make believe world is totally disconnected to the real world. Believing that someones actions in a make believe world are not related in any way to the real world is actually a sign of some serious issues...or that the person is a complete idiot of course.

Of course someone could take it too far the otHerway but extremes in either direction are really bad (mostly why when I do any RP I like to do it with like minded people who are happy to play things out for the fun of the entertainment rather then any competition).

Everyone signs up to a game and agrees to play by the rules of the ToS, everything inside the ToS is part of the game. If you don't want to play a game where bad things happen to a bunch of pixels then why join in the game, however to accuse people of being sociopaths for playing a game within the stated and agreed ToS shows a disconnect to the reality of the situation.

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OP  10/17/12 10:49:23 AM#42
Originally posted by WonderweissM
I have been playing the War-Z and I tend to try to get people to team up with me. It is hard because its hard to trust people on these small maps where most people shoot / kill on sight, but when I find people that really just want to team up, we end up having some fun. It will get better when / if they make zombies harder or add loot to them and  the zombie mechanisms and movements. Once they do that, people will come together and fight zombies to get loot, not just people.

This is something I've been wondering about . At the moment the maps are very limited I gather so you've got a lot of players confinded to a smaller area . When the game is finnished you will find it less likly to come across players in the numbers you do in the alpha so maybe by the time the map is rolled out it will become less of a gankfest ?

  Sigurd57

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10/17/12 10:52:00 AM#43

PvE only in a game like this would defeat the purpose.

However, the current state of things, the whole game is nothing but insane gank PvP ...  If you don't have a gun?  Good chance 80% of the server does, and you better be able to bob and weave your way to safety.

With any luck,  the game will even out once people tire of the 'freedom" to be an ass.   Right now, the thrill of being able to just run up and kill somebody for no reason is almost too good to pass up.   Once people get tired of having the wait time on their dead characters, they'll start to consider making choices and using caution when engaging others.  

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  DrunkWolf

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10/17/12 10:55:11 AM#44

This is one of those games you have to put your big boy pants on to play...how does Rift say it? This isnt azeroth?

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OP  10/17/12 10:55:52 AM#45
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by RefMinor

So liking something different to you in a make believe world is your definition of being a sociopath? Wow.

Not having the awareness to undestand that even in a make believe environment (such as films, books, games etc...) it exists in the real world and therefore has an effect....ouch, but that is bad news!

The problem with this kind of statement is that you make is as if the make believe world is totally disconnected to the real world. Believing that someones actions in a make believe world are not related in any way to the real world is actually a sign of some serious issues...or that the person is a complete idiot of course.

Of course someone could take it too far the otHerway but extremes in either direction are really bad (mostly why when I do any RP I like to do it with like minded people who are happy to play things out for the fun of the entertainment rather then any competition).

Everyone signs up to a game and agrees to play by the rules of the ToS, everything inside the ToS is part of the game. If you don't want to play a game where bad things happen to a bunch of pixels then why join in the game, however to accuse people of being sociopaths for playing a game within the stated and agreed ToS shows a disconnect to the reality of the situation.

The sociopath remark was in the context of a player turning around and shooting another player in the back after helping him . It by no means assumes every person playing this game is a sociopath what so ever . I'm just making the point when a game is set up in such a way your going to attract a certain demographic which will include a lot of anti-social players that enjoy doing that sort of thing . Which is fine in a FPS but limits an mmo because it means its likly to lack community .

  RefMinor

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10/17/12 10:55:54 AM#46
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by roo67
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Originally posted by itgrowls
Originally posted by Kuppa
If this game is anything like DayZ there isn't anything related to pve.

That's what i've read and that's why i've pretty much avoided games like these niche game titles. Saw a video of someone going around trying to help this guy kill zombies while they raided an abondoned house, he waited until the zombies were dead and then shot the guy from behind in the head and raided his backpack. not my idea of fun sorry.

Not mine either . Sounds like a game for sociopaths . Shame I really wanted to like this game but the more I'm hearing it just sounds like a massive deathmatch where you cant trust anyone .

If there had been some sort of factions where there were players you could interact with it might have been fun .

/facepalm

/Facepalm all your like m8 but if your someone that just wants to go out and kill other players and not interact with them in anyway shape or form your not someone that I would want to know .In real life or in a game . Part of the fun with mmos is the player interaction . This sounds more like a first person shooter to me than an mmo . Much as I love the zombie genre if you don't have any dialouge with others playing it  then this game will get boring fast . And if everyone you come across is out to kill you then your going to get no player interaction at all .

 

Yeah i am just going to facepalm again on your gross generalisations.

So what would you call someone who you help out who turns around and then shoots you in the back ?To me thats the very definition of a sociopath . Thats the context we are talking about here theres no generalisation needed . It sounds like it going to be a game thats going to attract a lot of unfriendly immature players . No community to speak of .

/Facepalm

PSA of the day:

ITS A VIDEO GAME!

Stop trying to turn it into serious business.

True but some games tend to be fun others dont . A lot depends on the community that they attract . For me and many others I would think . The social side of an mmo is part of what makes them fun . Helping someone in game only to get shot in the in back really isn't going to be much fun in the long run is it . Unless of course your the type are arsehat that likes shooting people in the back in video games and finds that fun . Its hardly a serious buisness but if you are going to falk out money for a game you want to get some idea of what its going to be like and the type of people playing it .

This sounds just like one massive deathmatch to me . Not what I look for in an mmo .

So liking something different to you in a make believe world is your definition of being a sociopath? Wow.

No but if your someone that thinks its fun to shoot someone in the back after they help you in a game proberbly means you have some degree of sociopathic leanings or your pretty sad and immature in real life .

Are you someone that would do that though ?  

 

Do you kill pixellated representations of living beings endlessly in make believe worlds? I have enough perspective to separate a game from reality.

As to my actions in game, I play sandbox games, if I kill people it is to gain an advantage in some way in the make believe world in which I am competing.

Do you hesitate to take a piece in a game of chess?

You didnt answer my question . Would you shoot someone in the back after they helped you in game ?

There might be restricted circumstances where it is the logical move to make, eg it would secure territory for my faction vs the faction of the person who helped, it would be rare and would not be "for the Lolz" as the kids say.

To be frank, from your statements, I don't think an open PvP based game is for you. By signing up to one you need to accept that bad things can happen and your whole strategy needs to be about minimising the risks, which can be by forming a community and/or destroying rivals/enemies. 

  DAS1337

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10/17/12 11:00:10 AM#47
Originally posted by Caldrin

no pve servers, game would be boring as hell if that was the case.

 

As for PVP they are going to try and bring things in to cut down on the PVP but you will always get people who just want to PVP its the way of the game.

 

Tho we still dont know too much as at the moment the game is in alpha so there are ahrdly any features in game..

Just because you aren't a fan of PvE, doesn't mean that no one is.  There are a lot more than you know who enjoy it.  

 

There needs to be restrictions.  This deathmatch arena will not last long in the mainstream if no changes are made.

  TwoThreeFour

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10/17/12 11:00:22 AM#48
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by Kuppa
I think folks need to see this more like a simulation game than an mmo with pve and progression. Its a zombie apocalypse simulation.

Thing is if it were a zombie appocalyspe people would have to work together for survival . Once someone helps you out its proberbly wise not to shoot them in the back . 

Have you watched "The Walking Dead"? If case you haven't: it is, in my opinion, a good series about a zombie-apocalyptic world.  It isn't just a dance on roses and just because one person helps another one at one point, it doesn't mean one can trust that person. Given that it is merely a game, people can roleplay different roles in a such world. 

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OP  10/17/12 11:00:37 AM#49
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by itgrowls
Originally posted by Kuppa
If this game is anything like DayZ there isn't anything related to pve.

That's what i've read and that's why i've pretty much avoided games like these niche game titles. Saw a video of someone going around trying to help this guy kill zombies while they raided an abondoned house, he waited until the zombies were dead and then shot the guy from behind in the head and raided his backpack. not my idea of fun sorry.

Not mine either . Sounds like a game for sociopaths . Shame I really wanted to like this game but the more I'm hearing it just sounds like a massive deathmatch where you cant trust anyone .

If there had been some sort of factions where there were players you could interact with it might have been fun .

/facepalm

/Facepalm all your like m8 but if your someone that just wants to go out and kill other players and not interact with them in anyway shape or form your not someone that I would want to know .In real life or in a game . Part of the fun with mmos is the player interaction . This sounds more like a first person shooter to me than an mmo . Much as I love the zombie genre if you don't have any dialouge with others playing it  then this game will get boring fast . And if everyone you come across is out to kill you then your going to get no player interaction at all .

 

Yeah i am just going to facepalm again on your gross generalisations.

So what would you call someone who you help out who turns around and then shoots you in the back ?To me thats the very definition of a sociopath . Thats the context we are talking about here theres no generalisation needed . It sounds like it going to be a game thats going to attract a lot of unfriendly immature players . No community to speak of .

/Facepalm

PSA of the day:

ITS A VIDEO GAME!

Stop trying to turn it into serious business.

True but some games tend to be fun others dont . A lot depends on the community that they attract . For me and many others I would think . The social side of an mmo is part of what makes them fun . Helping someone in game only to get shot in the in back really isn't going to be much fun in the long run is it . Unless of course your the type are arsehat that likes shooting people in the back in video games and finds that fun . Its hardly a serious buisness but if you are going to falk out money for a game you want to get some idea of what its going to be like and the type of people playing it .

This sounds just like one massive deathmatch to me . Not what I look for in an mmo .

So liking something different to you in a make believe world is your definition of being a sociopath? Wow.

No but if your someone that thinks its fun to shoot someone in the back after they help you in a game proberbly means you have some degree of sociopathic leanings or your pretty sad and immature in real life .

Are you someone that would do that though ?  

 

Do you kill pixellated representations of living beings endlessly in make believe worlds? I have enough perspective to separate a game from reality.

As to my actions in game, I play sandbox games, if I kill people it is to gain an advantage in some way in the make believe world in which I am competing.

Do you hesitate to take a piece in a game of chess?

You didnt answer my question . Would you shoot someone in the back after they helped you in game ?

There might be restricted circumstances where it is the logical move to make, eg it would secure territory for my faction vs the faction of the person who helped, it would be rare and would not be "for the Lolz" as the kids say.

To be frank, from your statements, I don't think an open PvP based game is for you. By signing up to one you need to accept that bad things can happen and your whole strategy needs to be about minimising the risks, which can be by forming a community and/or destroying rivals/enemies. 

The I wouldn't class you as either an idiot or a sociopath . Having said that I would say its unfriendly to kill someone thats helped you and not a great stratergy as making friends you can trust would be preferable over such an action .

I don't mind open world pvp games as I said in my opening statements I dont even mind being ganked now and then (it adds to the fun of a game ) as long as its not a gankfest . Which is why I asked about factions .

Sadly this game sounds like it will lack community which is the main reason I think i will give it a pass .

  drgran

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10/17/12 11:01:34 AM#50

i read some where that if you start killing alot of people the game will put up a bounty for you. So anyone can go to a bounty board and hunt the hunter.

So im wondering do they have something like that in DayZ and is it in WarZ now?

 

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  SoulStain

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10/17/12 11:03:36 AM#51

I think it will be a gankfest for sure but not quite as bad when it doesnt take 50 hits from an aluminium  bat to kill a zombie...and one hit from a flashlight/torch  to kill another player. Once its a bit balanced it should mellow out a tiny bit. Right now players are the only thing you can fight and kill regularly ..as long as you get first (and usually the only ) hit. I've been killed several times by torch flailing lunatics and a few times by zombies. I dont even bother now with zombies ..not until I can kill them reasonably with a metal bat.

I think the game will end up pretty damn fun though.

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OP  10/17/12 11:03:36 AM#52
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by Caldrin

no pve servers, game would be boring as hell if that was the case.

 

As for PVP they are going to try and bring things in to cut down on the PVP but you will always get people who just want to PVP its the way of the game.

 

Tho we still dont know too much as at the moment the game is in alpha so there are ahrdly any features in game..

Just because you aren't a fan of PvE, doesn't mean that no one is.  There are a lot more than you know who enjoy it.  

 

There needs to be restrictions.  This deathmatch arena will not last long in the mainstream if no changes are made.

Exactly . Which is why I'm wondering if there will be bandit vs survivor factions eventually . For me that would make it a game worth playing as it would eliminate the being shot in the back thing .

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

10/17/12 11:13:56 AM#53
Originally posted by roo67

The sociopath remark was in the context of a player turning around and shooting another player in the back after helping him . It by no means assumes every person playing this game is a sociopath what so ever . I'm just making the point when a game is set up in such a way your going to attract a certain demographic which will include a lot of anti-social players that enjoy doing that sort of thing . Which is fine in a FPS but limits an mmo because it means its likly to lack community .

Yeah, I don't agree, the game is designed to attract survial game players.

Lots of folks like drama.  That is what you are describing here.

Betrayal.  Drama.

Shakespearian type stuff going on here my friend.

Sorry you apparently had a vision in your head of what kind of game you hoped this would be and are now disappointed when its nothing like your imagination.

 

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

10/17/12 11:14:58 AM#54
Originally posted by roo67

Exactly . Which is why I'm wondering if there will be bandit vs survivor factions eventually . For me that would make it a game worth playing as it would eliminate the being shot in the back thing .

Why not make a faction of bandits?  

Get on the forums, any forums, find other players who are like minded.

Make a group!

  Kendane

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10/17/12 11:17:44 AM#55
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by Kuppa
I think folks need to see this more like a simulation game than an mmo with pve and progression. Its a zombie apocalypse simulation.

Thing is if it were a zombie appocalyspe people would have to work together for survival . Once someone helps you out its proberbly wise not to shoot them in the back . 

Honestly I think the opposite. Sure there are going to be groupings of people working together. However, you would have people forming hate groups blaming a particular race or any race that wasn't your own for said zombie apocalypse. You would also have families who would be more the happy to condeme 50 people to be slaughtered by zombies to save themselves or their chidlren. Humans are selfish creatures at times, even more so when they're in a desperate situation. Sure some people are truely selfless through and through even in those sitiuations. Others though, will see the person who just helped them as either still a danger to them or their family, or by killing said person it will make their lives or their children's lives a little easier. However, thats just two peoples' basic view of humanity. You see humanity as inherenitly good(stop me if I'm putting words in your mouth btw) and I see humanity as inherenitly selfish with a few exceptions.

That aside, I will avoid this game simply because I'm terrible at FPS and will just be free loot to people lol.

  DavisFlight

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10/17/12 11:19:51 AM#56
Originally posted by roo67

From some of the comments I've been reading this game sounds like it wont be able to develop much fo a community given that everyone you see pretty much is gonna shoot on sight .  This makes it all but impossible to make friends in the game .

It's very clear that you've never played a PvP game before then... do you think FFA PVP games are just giant 1v1 gank fests? They aren't. You can make friends just fine. Actually, since you depend on other people in survival games, you're much more likely to make friends in a game like this than say, GW2 where no one talks and ignores each other because everyone can solo.

  kaiser3282

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10/17/12 11:22:39 AM#57
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by RefMinor

So liking something different to you in a make believe world is your definition of being a sociopath? Wow.

Not having the awareness to undestand that even in a make believe environment (such as films, books, games etc...) it exists in the real world and therefore has an effect....ouch, but that is bad news!

The problem with this kind of statement is that you make is as if the make believe world is totally disconnected to the real world. Believing that someones actions in a make believe world are not related in any way to the real world is actually a sign of some serious issues...or that the person is a complete idiot of course.

Of course someone could take it too far the otHerway but extremes in either direction are really bad (mostly why when I do any RP I like to do it with like minded people who are happy to play things out for the fun of the entertainment rather then any competition).

Are you... or better yet, is every MMO player, a mass murder who runs around killing animals (a staple of MMOs) or killing everyone they see who is a different race / has different beliefs than you and then robbing their corpses (another staple of MMOs)?

People shoot their teamates in the back in FPS games all the time just to be a smart ass. Does that somehow mean theyre going to run around with an AK-47 murdering their friends and family as well?

To me the people who do let something like what you do in video games transfer over to the real world or the people that believe this actually applies to a "normal" rational person (not a person who already has severe psychological issues), and who seem to be incapable of seperating fantasy (like a video game) from reality apear to be the idiots.

This conversation is like watching the twits sending out mailers and creating websites against that democratic candidate because she plays WoW and talks about stabbing and assassinating things with her Rogue.

  SoulStain

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10/17/12 11:23:12 AM#58
The character/avatar info seems to include an "alignment" starting at "neutral". I wonder how tilting toward "good" /"evil" affects the game?  Wonder if this will carry over to the final product and how it will work. All in all its pretty useless talking about how the game is at this point....can't wait to see it when its done.
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OP  10/17/12 11:23:37 AM#59
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by roo67

The sociopath remark was in the context of a player turning around and shooting another player in the back after helping him . It by no means assumes every person playing this game is a sociopath what so ever . I'm just making the point when a game is set up in such a way your going to attract a certain demographic which will include a lot of anti-social players that enjoy doing that sort of thing . Which is fine in a FPS but limits an mmo because it means its likly to lack community .

Yeah, I don't agree, the game is designed to attract survial game players.

Lots of folks like drama.  That is what you are describing here.

Betrayal.  Drama.

Shakespearian type stuff going on here my friend.

Sorry you apparently had a vision in your head of what kind of game you hoped this would be and are now disappointed when its nothing like your imagination.

 

I really didnt have any expectations which is why I came on these forums to guage what the game was going to be like . It turns out it  appears to be one massive death match which will proberbly lack any community . Which is fine but its not for me .

  Kuppa

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10/17/12 11:25:11 AM#60

Things people need to understand is that there are concequences to killing other players. Again, I haven't played the game but I would believe it will be similar to DayZ. First you make unwanted noise which will draw attention to you. You also would lose precious ammo. If the game has a "bounty" system or something similar were you get branded as a constant killer then you will place a bullseye on your back. And finally you run the risk of your assasination attempt backfiring and you might end up dead.

 

There are pros and cons to killing someone, its not just blindly ganking everyone like most other OWPvP mmos do.


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