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  ShakyMo

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4/20/13 1:52:34 PM#21
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by ShakyMo

well the game has 2 daoc features

1 equality of pve/pvp and crafted gear - GOOD

2 some sort of 3 sided pvp at endgame, i have very serious doubts this will be anything like as good as DAOC

the game has a few TES features

the combat is TES like

they have books and lore in the world like tes.

 

then the game has these features

1 instancing all over the place

2 phased up the kazoo

3 you are the hero style personal story line with voice over and what have you

4 mega server thing

5 quests that lead you through the story, can't just wander off and find stuff to do.

 

so to me the game sounds more like a fantasy TSW than anything else.

 

And WoW was taken from a RTS and no one knew how good that game was going to be till they... wait for it... played it. 

erm i dont like wow

  Distopia

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4/20/13 1:52:36 PM#22
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by stragen001

The biggest problem is tab targetting. TESO games have always been first/third person action combat style (cant think of the right word here) and thats what everyone was excited to see in an MMO. Then they said "yeah, we're not doing that"

But they are.... guess thats one more person off this mob? No... oh ok. Keep kicking then!!!

Really? cos all the information I have seen says they are doing tab targetting/hotbar skills/etc. Do you have some other info you would like to share?

The combat is basically a mix of TES (left mouse to swing, right to block, hold down left to charge attacks) and GW2 (Weapon swapping, hotbar skills based on weapon choice). That's the closest description I can think of.

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  GrayGhost79

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4/20/13 1:52:56 PM#23
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by stragen001

The biggest problem is tab targetting. TESO games have always been first/third person action combat style (cant think of the right word here) and thats what everyone was excited to see in an MMO. Then they said "yeah, we're not doing that"

But they are.... guess thats one more person off this mob? No... oh ok. Keep kicking then!!!

Really? cos all the information I have seen says they are doing tab targetting/hotbar skills/etc. Do you have some other info you would like to share?

Found a way to discuss it without breaking any NDAs :P 

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2013/03/08/ask-us-anything-combat/

 

Would you please explain the soft locking system in detail? For example, how does it interact with dodge? Does it apply to melee attacks, or just ranged? During missile travel time, is it possible for another target to intervene between you and your existing soft lock target to take the attack? – By Matt Feisthammel

You must be facing your target to hit it. However, soft locking allows you to pick a target out of a crowd to hit. It is possible that your target could be behind another target. You would hit the target you had soft-locked, provided you were aiming at them. Another target could not step in the way of the soft-locked target to prevent you from hitting your soft-locked target. As for dodging? The target can execute a roll dodge or evasion move to avoid attack. 

It is and it isn't tab targeting. The only thing really absent is the tab key. 

  mari3k

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Posts: 146

4/20/13 1:59:30 PM#24
Originally posted by steuss

People are rightly pissed because the TESO devs basically said, we're gonna make TES a MMO, and everyone was happy, but then people see the actual gameplay and think, "Wtf? this is tab, target, WoW clone bullshit, again. This is NOTHING like TES.

 

I'm pissed. Why aren't you? Are you happy with mediocrity and green text?

Real mmo and TES fans, dont give a shit what you think and are looking forward for a great game.

What we have seem so far (also the leaked gameplay) was very promissing, but in the end the progression and gear grind will keep us playing, so I hope that TESO will give us what we want, and does not fail in game-depth like GW2.

Step in the arena and break the wall down

  Nanfoodle

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Posts: 3369

 
OP  4/20/13 2:00:10 PM#25
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by ShakyMo

well the game has 2 daoc features

1 equality of pve/pvp and crafted gear - GOOD

2 some sort of 3 sided pvp at endgame, i have very serious doubts this will be anything like as good as DAOC

the game has a few TES features

the combat is TES like

they have books and lore in the world like tes.

 

then the game has these features

1 instancing all over the place

2 phased up the kazoo

3 you are the hero style personal story line with voice over and what have you

4 mega server thing

5 quests that lead you through the story, can't just wander off and find stuff to do.

 

so to me the game sounds more like a fantasy TSW than anything else.

 

And WoW was taken from a RTS and no one knew how good that game was going to be till they... wait for it... played it. 

erm i dont like wow

You totaly missed the point of my reply.

  furbans

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4/20/13 2:15:52 PM#26

People don't come here for constructive or civilized discussion, this site is nothing but non-stop shit talking about X MMO.  From biased moderators to brownosing interview streams this site is anything but creditable discussions.  All this site offers is some marketing and that's all, good place for forum PvP though.

 

  Aerowyn

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4/20/13 2:21:30 PM#27
Originally posted by stragen001

The biggest problem is tab targetting. TESO games have always been first/third person action combat style (cant think of the right word here) and thats what everyone was excited to see in an MMO. Then they said "yeah, we're not doing that"

imho combat was always the weakest part of any TES game... hyrbid gw2 style I think would work well for a game like this but ill save judgement till i get to play it..

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  Nanfoodle

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OP  4/20/13 2:23:57 PM#28
Originally posted by furbans

People don't come here for constructive or civilized discussion, this site is nothing but non-stop shit talking about X MMO.  From biased moderators to brownosing interview streams this site is anything but creditable discussions.  All this site offers is some marketing and that's all, good place for forum PvP though.

 

Guess that could have been another title for this thread. "Forum PvP" Funny!

  RandomDown

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Posts: 147

4/20/13 2:31:55 PM#29
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by steuss

People are rightly pissed because the TESO devs basically said, we're gonna make TES a MMO, and everyone was happy, but then people see the actual gameplay and think, "Wtf? this is tab, target, WoW clone bullshit, again. This is NOTHING like TES.

 

I'm pissed. Why aren't you? Are you happy with mediocrity and green text?

You realize it's a soft target system that features hybrid action combat right? The combat is nothing like WOW. Besides I was under the impression actual "WOW clones" are games that focus on gear treadmills that gate content based on gear.

Its an exaggeration of some elements that many dislike about TESO. The hotbar was like a kick in the gut for a lot of fans. Once NDA is lifted players will get to go into more details. While it isn't really a WoW clone, its a lot closer to WoW than a lot of TES fans wanted. 

How is the hotbar a problem? You can't pause an mmo and you already get the ability on the dpad to swap things, that has the same effect as a hotbar, so unless they never changed any of their spells or weapons or stopped to drink any potion in combat then they can't really complain about that because it really is the logical extension of a system that already exists in the ES games.

And the combat in ES was always its weak point. It is clunky and not very fluid at all. I personally do not believe I have ever had someone say that was one of the better points of the series.

  Aerowyn

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4/20/13 2:33:22 PM#30
Originally posted by RandomDown
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by steuss

People are rightly pissed because the TESO devs basically said, we're gonna make TES a MMO, and everyone was happy, but then people see the actual gameplay and think, "Wtf? this is tab, target, WoW clone bullshit, again. This is NOTHING like TES.

 

I'm pissed. Why aren't you? Are you happy with mediocrity and green text?

You realize it's a soft target system that features hybrid action combat right? The combat is nothing like WOW. Besides I was under the impression actual "WOW clones" are games that focus on gear treadmills that gate content based on gear.

Its an exaggeration of some elements that many dislike about TESO. The hotbar was like a kick in the gut for a lot of fans. Once NDA is lifted players will get to go into more details. While it isn't really a WoW clone, its a lot closer to WoW than a lot of TES fans wanted. 

How is the hotbar a problem? You can't pause an mmo and you already get the ability on the dpad to swap things, that has the same effect as a hotbar, so unless they never changed any of their spells or weapons or stopped to drink any potion in combat then they can't really complain about that because it really is the logical extension of a system that already exists in the ES games.

And the combat in ES was always its weak point. It is clunky and not very fluid at all. I personally do not believe I have ever had someone say that was one of the better points of the series.

^ very much agree

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  Siug

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4/20/13 2:41:54 PM#31
Actually I'm getting sick of Daoc mentioned in every TESO thread. It it TES game or some half-arsed Daoc reincarnation then with TES skin to bump the sales? Every time I read how Daoc TESO is I get less interested in this MMO.
  Comaf

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Posts: 1131

I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters.

4/20/13 2:44:54 PM#32
Originally posted by Nanfoodle

What I have seen on this forum is far from constructive feedback. Its been on the level of hate that is down right sad. They have made a concession but to please the mob mentality of this forum it would be no small task. You can label it as giving just your opinion and that is what some do but there is a vast number of people here who attack anyone that has anything opsitive to say about the game thats not in line with the small mob thats grown here.

I hope the devs dont cave in at this point thinking this is the general status quo on ESO fans. Its mostly a MMOrpg.com theme thats is in almost every forum now. Hate is in, and we call it feedback. We hate before even get gameplay footage. We hate and tell devs how to make the game and whats wrong with it before we even play it. No wonder new games dont tell us they are even making a game till they are 3-4 years into development. 

We kick and bite at every design choice the devs make and as always, most people who like it dont post much past awesome I cant wait to play. So the devs mostly see the angery mob and start questioning if they should change their development path. Often games over the years has done just this and we gamers play a large part in why we are getting more and more crappy games. Developers no long just have fans, they have mobs that think they know better about game development then they and we create negitive feedback till they see it our way. Or else we will post something negitive in every thread and news outlet about the game. We drive away people thinking maybe our negitive thinking maybe true and often drive off new fans before any real reason is valid to do so. We dont have a product in had to be upset about.

Like all the flipping out about the DAoC PvP model. Its just 1 part of the game. The PvE thats been talked about is rich and full of life much like TES. Sure its done in a MMO way but thats what needs to be done as TES with group play a MMO does not make. You have open world dungeons 2 and 5 man. Instance dungeons as well. Solo caves and ruins to explore. Join the mage guild and get rewarded for exploring. There is open world quests and free roaming quests. You also have the new phased events for orgnized guilds and groups to take on and on top of that you get level 50 you get 2 whole maps as elder game to explore to your hearts content. What game has to much elder game? 

But thats not what we talk about. We pick and pick at one point and make a storm on why its so bad till its changed. Then we pick a different point and do the same thing till all thats left is a shell of a game that was its original design. It becomes so messed up that when its finaly released we all say... see this game does suck but we are in a large part to blame. I hope the ESO devs keep the corse and not even bother coming to look at what the so called fans have to say here. 

I've sometimes wondered if many of the mmorpg.com bloggers are just employees at various F2P gaming companies.  It seems that I've seen more bashing of ESO and CU and more love for utter crap here than anywhere else.  Uhh....am I getting a warning for that?

  PAL-18

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Posts: 702

4/20/13 2:46:32 PM#33
Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Like all the flipping out about the DAoC PvP model. Its just 1 part of the game. The PvE thats been talked about is rich and full of life much like TES. Sure its done in a MMO way but thats what needs to be done as TES with group play a MMO does not make. You have open world dungeons 2 and 5 man. Instance dungeons as well. Solo caves and ruins to explore. Join the mage guild and get rewarded for exploring. There is open world quests and free roaming quests. You also have the new phased events for orgnized guilds and groups to take on and on top of that you get level 50 you get 2 whole maps as elder game to explore to your hearts content. What game has to much elder game? 

 

This is the problem ,its odd if you dont see it if you are such a ES fan.

If you allready know how the game is I.E i have done these in wow 10000 times ,after this dung i go to next  and i allready know where that leads then i join RvR while my daily is on cd.

Its nothing like ES.

There will be HUGE sings written over dungeon "beware adventurer ,this is 5 man dungeon"

 

 

 

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
On the radar : http://www.darkestdungeon.com/

  crasset15

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4/20/13 2:48:29 PM#34

I don't hate this game. In fact I very much support the idea of an MMO in TES universe. My problem with this particular game is that the likelyhood of them releasing a shallow and underdeveloped game is very high, especially considering what the western MMO devs have released in the past few years. Games are made to be a quick cash grab, not a long term project, and that worries me greatly.

Really western devs have something to learn from games like AoW. Instead of bringing a list of examples, I'll just say that AoW at launch has around 150 different types of fish, each with its unique use and tie to other crafting skills. I hope this gives people an idea of how elaborate and in depth a game can be, from the start, not 2 years down the line. I'm not even going to get started on the amount of skills you can learn in that game and the different types of activities that you can do.  It is very clear that the game was made to keep people interested for longer than 2 months. Compare that to something as shallow as GW2.

  ShakyMo

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Posts: 7246

4/20/13 2:57:00 PM#35
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Like all the flipping out about the DAoC PvP model. Its just 1 part of the game. The PvE thats been talked about is rich and full of life much like TES. Sure its done in a MMO way but thats what needs to be done as TES with group play a MMO does not make. You have open world dungeons 2 and 5 man. Instance dungeons as well. Solo caves and ruins to explore. Join the mage guild and get rewarded for exploring. There is open world quests and free roaming quests. You also have the new phased events for orgnized guilds and groups to take on and on top of that you get level 50 you get 2 whole maps as elder game to explore to your hearts content. What game has to much elder game? 

 

This is the problem ,its odd if you dont see it if you are such a ES fan.

If you allready know how the game is I.E i have done these in wow 10000 times ,after this dung i go to next  and i allready know where that leads then i join RvR while my daily is on cd.

Its nothing like ES.

There will be HUGE sings written over dungeon "beware adventurer ,this is 5 man dungeon"

 

 

 

err daoc doesnt have shite like dailys, instanced dungeons and pvp you have to queue for

  Maelwydd

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4/20/13 2:58:58 PM#36

Oh dear.

Back on the "If you don't have the same really positive attitude I have then you must be full of HATE!!!!!!" vibe again Nano?

Basically, people have opinions. Not all people have the same opinions. Just because someone has a differing opinion to you and your's is positive simply means they do not agree with you. Stop using the word HATE in every thread you start or join.

If you are an adult then you know that hate and dislike are not the same beast. Yes some people dislike the direction the game has taken. Yes they are baseing their opinion on the same information you have. NO, just because their opinion is negative and youre's is positive doesn't mean tehy hate the game and you are the shining white knight here to defend TESO's honor. 

Put it this way, if you dislike the fact that people are negative about the game based on the info currently available and a shitty video then perhaps, just perhaps, you are baseing  your positive opinion falesly just as much as you accuse those with negative opinions.

It isn't hate. It is a difference of opinion and everyone is entitled to share theirs. So while I do not have a problem with you singing TESO's praises I will ask you to politely STFU about people's hate of the game.

 

  ShakyMo

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Posts: 7246

4/20/13 3:00:11 PM#37
Originally posted by Piiritus
Actually I'm getting sick of Daoc mentioned in every TESO thread. It it TES game or some half-arsed Daoc reincarnation then with TES skin to bump the sales? Every time I read how Daoc TESO is I get less interested in this MMO.

its nothing like DAOC

the only things it shares with daoc are equality of gear regardless of playstyle and 3 factions with some sort of semi persistent pvp area. (and the semi-persistent nature is GW2 not daoc)

A cursory look at its feature list revals it shares more things with wow, tsw, gw2 and swtor amongst others than it does with daoc.

 

  Maelwydd

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4/20/13 3:01:36 PM#38
I think the words you are looking for Shakymo is "generic design".
  PAL-18

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Posts: 702

4/20/13 3:02:01 PM#39
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Like all the flipping out about the DAoC PvP model. Its just 1 part of the game. The PvE thats been talked about is rich and full of life much like TES. Sure its done in a MMO way but thats what needs to be done as TES with group play a MMO does not make. You have open world dungeons 2 and 5 man. Instance dungeons as well. Solo caves and ruins to explore. Join the mage guild and get rewarded for exploring. There is open world quests and free roaming quests. You also have the new phased events for orgnized guilds and groups to take on and on top of that you get level 50 you get 2 whole maps as elder game to explore to your hearts content. What game has to much elder game? 

 

This is the problem ,its odd if you dont see it if you are such a ES fan.

If you allready know how the game is I.E i have done these in wow 10000 times ,after this dung i go to next  and i allready know where that leads then i join RvR while my daily is on cd.

Its nothing like ES.

There will be HUGE sings written over dungeon "beware adventurer ,this is 5 man dungeon"

 

err daoc doesnt have shite like dailys, instanced dungeons and pvp you have to queue for

i dont know much about daoc,played it for a while and didnt like the UI,fantastic game sure but i decided to play something else in that time.

But this ES thingy,if they even tried to make it in honor of ES,there only would be dungeons ,just dungeons and let people decide if those are 2 man or 100 mans or whatever mans .

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
On the radar : http://www.darkestdungeon.com/

  Vorthanion

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4/20/13 3:17:54 PM#40
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
 

I am one of many fans of ESO is who the target audience. Been playing TES games forever. I have played them to death. I am a HUGE TES fan. I will admit my fav PvP I have ever played was DAoC but this game has more then enough TES in it to make any fan happy if they would take time to look past the mob. 

Obviously not, you are trying to say anyone that doesn't like the direction is simply following the hate mob. I however formed my opinion by watching the videos, reading the information, and getting some actual play time with the game. I've been a TES fan since daggerfall and no, TESO doesn't have enough TES in it to make me happy so your statement as much as you wish it were true is not. You will have to simply accept that. 

Oooo got to play for 20 min and you think you know the game? How cute. Guess most MMOs get to full swing by then who knew.

His 20 mins is a hell of a lot more exposure to the actual game play than you have had with all of your constant assumptions and accusations.

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