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Elder Scrolls Online Forum » General Discussion » Poll - would you prefer ESO to be more like the series and a PvE sandbox only?

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  Margulis

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OP  4/14/13 9:08:40 AM#1
A lot of fans of the series seem to be unhappy with the game having a large pvp focus and not really staying true to the previous games in quite a few ways.  Others have argued there would be no point to an Elder Scrolls mmo without pvp since it would basically be just another of the same game.  So I figured I would make a poll to see waht the results looked like.  If ESO was made into a purely PvE mmo much in the vein of the series (sandboxy), with all of the free choice of exploration and so forth, would you prefer that over the game they are currently making?  Basically the same game as Morrowind - Skyrim, just developed for an online community (so group play vs. PvE, crafting, towns, economy, etc.)

Would you prefer ESO to be more like the series and PvE only?

I want more of a PvE sandbox mmo ESO game instead of what they are making.
I'm very happy with the PvP RvR focus of ESO as it's being developed.
I would want less of a PvP focus than there currently is, but still a nice mix of each.
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  DeaconX

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4/14/13 9:10:31 AM#2
Are there sandbox elements to the game at all?


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  jdlamson75

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4/14/13 9:11:59 AM#3
I feel so outnumbered right now...
  AlBQuirky

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4/14/13 9:17:29 AM#4


Originally posted by DeaconX
Are there sandbox elements to the game at all?

I often wonder about this, too. I have never really thought of TES games as "sandboxes."

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  DeaconX

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4/14/13 6:28:45 PM#5
Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 


Originally posted by DeaconX
Are there sandbox elements to the game at all?


I often wonder about this, too. I have never really thought of TES games as "sandboxes."

 

They did add that expansion which allowed you to build your own house and have a family and all that jazz.

Personally, I would LOVE to see a focus on stuff like building homes, owning shops, possibly building small villages/guild towns, building ships you can actually sail, etc.

Those features all create ownership in a game and also, if there are people doing it together, forges communities. Once you have communities working together in a game, people are far more attached to the game world and each other and thus are more likely to stay playing that game for a longer time.


Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.

BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.

  jmcdermottuk

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4/14/13 6:50:43 PM#6

I think the problem with this poll is that it's too exclusive. I voted yes because I would prefer a more sandbox game, less restrictions on factions, no locks, no fixed clases and the limitations that implies. If it was PvE only that wouldn't worry me too much.

Here's the BUT. Why does it need to be PvE only? I don't see any reason why you couldn't make a TES MMO like the series, where players were free to start as any race they wanted, move freely to any region they wanted, and to be free to join any faction they wanted. They could also use a class template if they wished or alternatively, pick their own skills and still be free to develop other if they choose. All of this is good sandboxy type game design, allowing players freedom to play where and how they want.

 

The PvP could still be tied to those factions, it could still be a 3 faction RvR system. The big difference is that players would be free to choose if they a) want to join a faction and b) which faction to join. The current system is too much DAoC with it's 3 realms and the races etc locked in, including the PvE. I don't object to the 3 way RvR so much as the restrictions. If it was a player choice it would be more TES and less DAoC.

I think this is why you're seeing a lot of opposition to the current design, it's that lack of choice, something that was always very open in the TES games. Choices both for race/faction and class/skills and the choice to venture out and travel if you want. It's the main reason I've posted and voiced my negative opinions about the game.

  khameleon

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4/14/13 6:53:16 PM#7

Why would I want a PVE sandbox? That is what the offline Elder Scrolls games are for.

 

I want to let them make an onlinegame with PVP and how they want and see how it plays out.

 

Why would I make a decision also about this ESO being bad if i have not played it yet myself?

 

 

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  LanceC

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4/14/13 6:55:48 PM#8
Why not both?
  Tokenaru

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4/14/13 7:00:45 PM#9
The problem is when you make a game primarily about pvp you have to sacrifice so much that the pve suffers as well as the graphics so that the engine can render all the crap going on.  PVP was fine as call of duty and battlefield no clue why they felt it had to be brought the the mmorpg's very sad indeed.
  metal0x

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4/14/13 7:03:58 PM#10

I've alway liked PvE(+sandbox) while leveling to max and PvP as a reward at max level till new content comes out.

 

PvP is over rated if you ask me. Some people like it an many others do not. I've always thought of pvp in an mmorpg as an end game time killer till new content comes out. Since at max level their is usualy nothing to do besides pvp or raids/instances.

  acidblood

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4/14/13 7:06:52 PM#11

I wouldn't want PvP removed completely (you get jumped by bandits in the SP games so..) but I do want:

1. Completely open world, even if I'm not welcome in some places due to race / faction, it should be up to me, not some invisible wall.

2. Freedom of faction choice, including being a free agent, becoming a bandit, etc. I don't mind starting off aligned to a certain faction, but I want to shape my character my way, not be locked into a faction by preordination.

3. A much larger focus on crafting. I know it hasn't always been a stong point of ES games, but the heart has always been there, now is the chance to do it well.

  Tokenaru

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4/14/13 7:21:17 PM#12
I mean dont get me wrong I appreciate DAOC, and warhammer(what happened to this game?)  WoW has been the only Developer to imho succesffuly integrate pve and pvp but even thats a fine line at times with them.
  PAL-18

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4/14/13 7:22:40 PM#13

When i read a book,characters on those are very real.

When i play Elder Scrolls game,i can only wish that those NPCs were player controlled but still they are like characters on books.

Now when it goes online and those characters becomes player controlled,then they are far from real.

What is this sorcery.

Why cant i attack them anymore? Why this game tells me that i must join RvR and live in different zones.

dang you sorcerers.

 

 

 

 

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  Tokken

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4/14/13 7:23:40 PM#14

I like the game the way it is but YES I would want more of a PvE sandbox mmo .

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  azzamasin

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4/14/13 11:29:38 PM#15
Originally posted by Margulis
A lot of fans of the series seem to be unhappy with the game having a large pvp focus and not really staying true to the previous games in quite a few ways.  Others have argued there would be no point to an Elder Scrolls mmo without pvp since it would basically be just another of the same game.  So I figured I would make a poll to see waht the results looked like.  If ESO was made into a purely PvE mmo much in the vein of the series (sandboxy), with all of the free choice of exploration and so forth, would you prefer that over the game they are currently making?  Basically the same game as Morrowind - Skyrim, just developed for an online community (so group play vs. PvE, crafting, towns, economy, etc.)

While I want a PvE ONLY Sandbox game, I want it in either an original IP or in Asheron's Call 3.  Elder Scrolls RPG's are not sandbox they are open-ended themeparks and as such the MMO needs to remain that way as well.  I am happy with the RvR or Alliance versus Alliance (AvA) setup because you still have the best open ended PvE experience during the leveling up portion of the game but then can transition to an open-ended multi-faction PvP game at endgame.  IMO the best of both worlds.  So leave it as it stands (as far as major elements are concerned).

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  baphamet

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4/14/13 11:33:35 PM#16

if this game was a sandbox, it wouldn't be like TES single player games.

i absolutely cannot stand when people say the single player games were sandbox games, its just complete ignorance to the subject.

again, just because you can explore at will in a game and decide what quests to do in what order you want to do them, doesn't make it a sandbox game.

it still is a quest driven game at its core, which makes it not a sandbox game and more of a theme park (if you want to use those labels for single player rpg's)

there is a main quest that you follow just like the single player games and there is also side quests that you stumble upon if you explore or talk to certain people, just like the single player games.

people assume many things with this game when we actually do not know exactly how it will be.

yet act like TES games were these sandbox games where you could build most of the content of the game void of any kind of questing element, which is standard in any sandbox game.

TES single player games did have some sandbox elements to them, just like the mmo will as well.

so honestly, i don't know what many of you expect, other than faction lock and being able to explore the entire world from level 1, what sandbox elements do you expect TESO to not have that the single player games did?


  baphamet

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4/14/13 11:35:50 PM#17


Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Margulis A lot of fans of the series seem to be unhappy with the game having a large pvp focus and not really staying true to the previous games in quite a few ways.  Others have argued there would be no point to an Elder Scrolls mmo without pvp since it would basically be just another of the same game.  So I figured I would make a poll to see waht the results looked like.  If ESO was made into a purely PvE mmo much in the vein of the series (sandboxy), with all of the free choice of exploration and so forth, would you prefer that over the game they are currently making?  Basically the same game as Morrowind - Skyrim, just developed for an online community (so group play vs. PvE, crafting, towns, economy, etc.)
While I want a PvE ONLY Sandbox game, I want it in either an original IP or in Asheron's Call 3.  Elder Scrolls RPG's are not sandbox they are open-ended themeparks and as such the MMO needs to remain that way as well.  I am happy with the RvR or Alliance versus Alliance (AvA) setup because you still have the best open ended PvE experience during the leveling up portion of the game but then can transition to an open-ended multi-faction PvP game at endgame.  IMO the best of both worlds.  So leave it as it stands (as far as major elements are concerned).

*swish*

totally agree.

  Vunak23

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4/14/13 11:36:23 PM#18

I dont like any of the choices in the poll. 

I like PvP and I like sandbox. I like RvR, but I like sandbox more. So. A Sandbox with PvP. 

 

I guess if I had to choose though. I would choose the RvR. 

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  Punk999

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4/14/13 11:37:13 PM#19
Originally posted by baphamet

if this game was a sandbox, it wouldn't be like TES single player games.

i absolutely cannot stand when people say the single player games were sandbox games, its just complete ignorance to the subject.

again, just because you can explore at will in a game and decide what quests to do in what order you want to do them, doesn't make it a sandbox game.

it still is a quest driven game at its core, which makes it not a sandbox game and more of a theme park (if you want to use those labels for single player rpg's)

there is a main quest that you follow just like the single player games and there is also side quests that you stumble upon if you explore or talk to certain people, just like the single player games.

people assume many things with this game when we actually do not know exactly how it will be.

yet act like TES games were these sandbox games where you could build most of the content of the game void of any kind of questing element, which is standard in any sandbox game.

TES single player games did have some sandbox elements to them, just like the mmo will as well.

so honestly, i don't know what many of you expect, other than faction lock and being able to explore the entire world from level 1, what sandbox elements do you expect TESO to not have that the single player games did?

 

+1 and I voted that the game stays with the whole rvr thing.

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  Vunak23

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4/14/13 11:40:45 PM#20

Also as other have said. The ES games weren't sandboxes. 

Free roaming =/= sandbox. 

Minecraft is a sandbox

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