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  DAS1337

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3/28/13 11:32:50 AM#41
Originally posted by triton54x

im confused people want raids but yet they so they want this game to be elder scroll like

am i missing somethign here?

No, you aren't.

 

They are.

  triton54x

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3/28/13 11:34:43 AM#42

15 bucks a month is nothing

 

  Sovrath

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3/28/13 11:38:26 AM#43
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by triton54x

im confused people want raids but yet they so they want this game to be elder scroll like

am i missing somethign here?

No, you aren't.

 

They are.

I would imagine that a good amount of the elder scrolls players don't care about raids. so they are not confused. I woudl say that those who lean toward being MMO players want them.

  DAS1337

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3/28/13 11:39:57 AM#44
Originally posted by Miblet
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by jackashflash2000
Adventure zones are supposed to be sort of like raiding.  If Zen has a brain in their head they will make sure it is, thats all I can say.  They will be shitting the bed otherwise as everyone jumps ship, and this turns into just another free ro play pile of shit.

Why is it that everyone believes that without raiding, a game can't be successful?  Or the notion that the majority of gamers love raiding?  You do realize that most gamers don't enjoy locking themselves into raids, right?  Ultima Online didn't have raids.  Neither did DAOC, until TOA, and many blame TOA for killing the game.  EQ didn't have raids in a traditional sense.  All pretty popular games for their time.  I'm sure there are plenty of other games as wel that have been successful without the modern 'raid'.

EQ raiding (original).

Lord Nagafen.

Lady Vox.

Phinigel Autropos.

Avatar of Fear.

They were more like world bosses and not traditional raids, right?  I think the people who need raids are focused more on large 20+ man events that take you through trash mobs, mini-bosses and culminating with the big baddy at the end.  Not just a super hard mob that you have to wait in line for =P

 

DAOC had dragons, but it wasn't really raid content.  Again, before TOA brought raids, which more still more like world bosses...

  cura

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3/28/13 11:41:48 AM#45
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by kidas52
With the realization of no raiding, only 4 man dungeons, and " high end" world content in the form of what guild wars 2 is doing.  I guess I will just have to wait for Everquest next.

Well that's up to you I guess.  I'm looking to give it a try myself, and some videos don't look TOO bad, but at the same time, if it's a subscription game, I'll probably only level and drop it anyway.

Hm, $15 for a good game is never a bad thing in my opinion.  I guess I can spare it though.  I mean, it's 50 cents a day.  If I can't afford that, I should probably look into selling my computer to pay bills..

It has nothing to do with being affordable but it has everything to do with not wanting to pay for shit no matter the cost. i don't pay for music channels because all they ever play is rubbish pop music and reality tv, yes i can afford it but that doesn't mean i want to pay for it.

Music channels?  Bad comparison.  Music channels, assuming you mean TV, you don't pay for to begin with.  Music stations, radio, you also don't pay for, as they are free.  Unless of course, they are satellite stations.  And duh, of course you don't pay for something you don't want.

 

Again, missing the point.  My obvious is apparently not as obvious to others as I would like to think.

 

What I meant is, if I'm going to play a game, it's going to be because I want to.  Not because it's P2P, B2P, or F2P.  This just made me think of my mother.  She buys things BECAUSE they are on sale, not because she needs them.  That's kind of what I mean.  If you don't want to play, I don't see why cost would matter.

Obviously Eir_S doesnt hink its a good game so what is a purpose of your comment? And yes you havent discovered america here.

  DAS1337

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3/28/13 11:44:40 AM#46
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by kidas52
With the realization of no raiding, only 4 man dungeons, and " high end" world content in the form of what guild wars 2 is doing.  I guess I will just have to wait for Everquest next.

Well that's up to you I guess.  I'm looking to give it a try myself, and some videos don't look TOO bad, but at the same time, if it's a subscription game, I'll probably only level and drop it anyway.

Hm, $15 for a good game is never a bad thing in my opinion.  I guess I can spare it though.  I mean, it's 50 cents a day.  If I can't afford that, I should probably look into selling my computer to pay bills..

It has nothing to do with being affordable but it has everything to do with not wanting to pay for shit no matter the cost. i don't pay for music channels because all they ever play is rubbish pop music and reality tv, yes i can afford it but that doesn't mean i want to pay for it.

Music channels?  Bad comparison.  Music channels, assuming you mean TV, you don't pay for to begin with.  Music stations, radio, you also don't pay for, as they are free.  Unless of course, they are satellite stations.  And duh, of course you don't pay for something you don't want.

 

Again, missing the point.  My obvious is apparently not as obvious to others as I would like to think.

 

What I meant is, if I'm going to play a game, it's going to be because I want to.  Not because it's P2P, B2P, or F2P.  This just made me think of my mother.  She buys things BECAUSE they are on sale, not because she needs them.  That's kind of what I mean.  If you don't want to play, I don't see why cost would matter.

Obviously Eir_S doesnt hink its a good game so what is a purpose of your comment? And yes you havent discovered america here.

What?

 

What is the purpose of his post?  What is the purpose of your reply to mine?  What is the purpose of these forums?

 

Shit, what is the purpose of life?  

 

See, I can pretend that I don't have a brain too!

  Karelia

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3/28/13 11:47:13 AM#47
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by kidas52
With the realization of no raiding, only 4 man dungeons, and " high end" world content in the form of what guild wars 2 is doing.  I guess I will just have to wait for Everquest next.

Well that's up to you I guess.  I'm looking to give it a try myself, and some videos don't look TOO bad, but at the same time, if it's a subscription game, I'll probably only level and drop it anyway.

 

same feelings just this time i think i ll wait a couple of months to see how it goes. no more money spent until they show me what they got

  Squeak69

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cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

3/28/13 11:48:19 AM#48

i find this funny cause people where freaking that there was going to be faction locked zones and that was not whole the elder scrolls series played, but here people are upset that there wont be large raids, once agian not how elder scrolls played,

are both these due to it going from SP to MMO prob but i still find it funnny.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  Sovrath

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3/28/13 11:50:04 AM#49
Originally posted by Squeak69

i find this funny cause people where freaking that there was going to be faction locked zones and that was not whole the elder scrolls series played, but here people are upset that there wont be large raids, once agian not how elder scrolls played,

are both these due to it going from SP to MMO prob but i still find it funnny.

I would hazard a guess that they are different groups of players. Possibly with some overlap.

  koboldfodder

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3/28/13 11:50:12 AM#50

Why do people who have no clue what they are talking about chime in with totally false statements?  Stop posting about EQ as it is obvious you did not even play it.

 

EQ didn't have raids in the traditional sense?  Please put down the crack pipe.  EQ1 invented raiding.  EQ had two dragons at release, Nagafen and Vox.  The fish guy came a bit later as that zone was not completed, same as the early plane content.

 

They were raids.  You got a lot of people together, got to the end of the zones and set up your raid force, got buffed and attacked the dragons.

 

That is pretty much the definition of a raid.  Organization and planning were what made you win those two fights.  Along the way there were some tougher mobs, especially the fire giants in Nagafen's Lair.

 

Jeesh...

  Sovrath

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3/28/13 11:57:52 AM#51
Originally posted by jackashflash2000
 

 

Easy there grandpa, don't shit the bed.   We aren't old enough to remember EQ release.

You were 26.

  cronius77

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3/28/13 12:08:15 PM#52
Originally posted by morbidlymystic
Originally posted by cronius77

raids are a silppery slope anyways and I personally do not want to see them in this game other than maybe a warhammer online style of random chest events or something, but better rewards than GW2 because GW2 lacks any real reason to do dungeons or harder stuff other than skins.

But with that being said look at shit games for pvp like wow and rift , when you add in raids to a game you have to constantly spend tons of time and resources making content for like 10% of the population and gear. If you want balanced pvp , you do not leave the game gear based like old DAOC was before TOA etc. If you have constant raiding going on for powerful gear , you create a gear game for a game that is based around end game pvp for factions. Now you have to counter balance that gear gap treadmill with pvp only stats so raiders cant walk right into pvp and 1 shot or 2 shot people. Its nothing but a mess and only satisfies a small amount of the actual community to begin with. Lets face it who the hell is going to raid day in and day out like in wow or rift for armor skins or weapon skins? People do it to be powerful ...  Adventure zones sound much more fun to me and I would gladly keep raiding out of a game if DAOC style pvp is end game. Just for the love of god add some more gear than GW2 to all the events in game because that crap is pointless in GW2.

First off, a slippery slope is a logical fallacy.

Second, we all know you are talking about WoW.

Third, if its a slippery slope to anything, then its to success.

 

How is WoW PvP shit again? 

PvP Isn't gear based?  What are you smoking?

Most of the best PvP gear in WOW is PVP gear, not PvE gear.  So this fantasy you have that raiding is directly linked to pvp success is just wrong.

Most people in Raid enjoy some form of raiding nowadays. 

if you think that wow's pvp is good and fair you are the one smoking shit . Second if you look at games out there that have tried to balance their pvp like rift by removing pvp stats on pvp gear you will see it doesnt work because it gives all raiders with supurb gear a HUGE advantage. So who is smoking what ? Go ahead and add tiers of raiding to TESO and see what happens when a gear gap is created between pvp players who could give two shits about raiding ever and players who min/max and want to raid all the time. You put them in pvp with even a 10% power gap over normal pvp players and see what transpires. WOW is a pve game btw if you think that wow has EVER been known as a pvp game you are sadly mistaken as their pvp has been a tranwreck since burning crusade.

  rygard49

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3/28/13 12:20:10 PM#53
Damned if you do and damned if you don't in our little MMO community, here.
  wormed

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3/28/13 1:16:06 PM#54
If WoW is considered great PvP, I should just give up on MMORPG's.
  Hellidol

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3/28/13 3:48:46 PM#55
Originally posted by wormed
If WoW is considered great PvP, I should just give up on MMORPG's.

LOL, agreeeeeeeeeeeed. wow pvp is a joke compare to EVE, UO, Shadowbane, Daoc ect.....

  Vorthanion

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3/28/13 3:50:37 PM#56
Originally posted by kidas52
With the realization of no raiding, only 4 man dungeons, and " high end" world content in the form of what guild wars 2 is doing.  I guess I will just have to wait for Everquest next.

EQN is going to be primarily a sandbox, so don't get your hopes up for a raid focused end game.

  Vorthanion

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3/28/13 3:54:32 PM#57
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by JasonJ

Good, dont recall ever going on a raid in a TES game. How many more things can they change before the game is nothing but TES in name only? oh wait...

Yeah, it makes sense with TES to not have raids, which is why I'm confused why some people would "skip" it after "thinking" it was going to be something it's not.  But even then, the portion of people who love raiding is probably much smaller than the people who want progression, and there's a difference.. the two don't have to go together, and as far as I know TESO's devs never stated that there will be no form of progression.  I still think a lot of people will be happy with the end result.  Just not OP, obviously.

They have in fact stated in a recent interview that there will be multiple paths of progression.  Soloers, groupers, crafters and PvPers would all have access to end game loot progression.  Something tells me that even if they did add or eventually added raids, these guys still wouldn't be happy, since they would have to share the uber lootz.

  Vorthanion

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3/28/13 3:58:59 PM#58
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by JimmyYO
I never picture'd TESO with raiding and if they add an obscene amount of endgame dungeons for 4 man's that substantually ramp up in difficulty then I see no need for raiding at all. The problem is no new MMO's have even a decent amount of endgame content in mind so i won't hold my breath.

They can abuse their 4 man content and recreate 8 man 16 man and 32 man content from most of them.. Only adding new mobs and slightly twist the stories behind the content...

 

If you played with neverwinters dungeon creator once you know that this cant be that hard. To repopulate an excisting dungeon. And so it really cant be that hard to turn those excisting dungeons intoo raid dungeons...... All they need to do is make new loot tables.

Why bother when it would be easier to just create hardcore mode 4 mans and multi-group style dynamic events ala rift / gw2.  Easier to program and it appeals to a much larger audience.

  kidas52

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ED 4 Life.

 
OP  3/28/13 4:14:05 PM#59

I see so many people saying MMO content doesn't fit the IP of TES.   EXCUSE ME,  but what is the point of making an MMOrpg, if you arent going to build on the abilitiy to coordinate with groups of other people.  Why make it an MMO at all,  make a Skyrim II...

 

The lead designer SPECIFICALLY said there will be no raids.  When you say no raids and then add a caveat of high-end adventure zones, that imidiately sends me to what GW 2 is doing.

 

Also how does raiding not fit with TES IP?  With the huge amount of monster lore,  dragons, dedra when I first heard about TESO i was so happy I would finally find a new game to get that Epic feeling of slaying those large bosses.  But before the first beta even starts like all other promising games I see they dash my hopes trying to be "different" from WoW.

Jona ^_^

  Eir_S

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GW2 socialist.

3/28/13 4:17:37 PM#60
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by kidas52
With the realization of no raiding, only 4 man dungeons, and " high end" world content in the form of what guild wars 2 is doing.  I guess I will just have to wait for Everquest next.

Well that's up to you I guess.  I'm looking to give it a try myself, and some videos don't look TOO bad, but at the same time, if it's a subscription game, I'll probably only level and drop it anyway.

Hm, $15 for a good game is never a bad thing in my opinion.  I guess I can spare it though.  I mean, it's 50 cents a day.  If I can't afford that, I should probably look into selling my computer to pay bills..

The amount has never been my problem, I've explained why I hesitate to pay a sub enough times on this forum.

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