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Elder Scrolls Online Forum » General Discussion » I thought this was going to be a great game but......

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  keithian

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3/28/13 2:12:47 AM#21
It's funny. The 3 things the OP listed are things I'm happy with. I guess different strokes for different folks.

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  cronius77

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3/28/13 2:19:52 AM#22

raids are a silppery slope anyways and I personally do not want to see them in this game other than maybe a warhammer online style of random chest events or something, but better rewards than GW2 because GW2 lacks any real reason to do dungeons or harder stuff other than skins.

But with that being said look at shit games for pvp like wow and rift , when you add in raids to a game you have to constantly spend tons of time and resources making content for like 10% of the population and gear. If you want balanced pvp , you do not leave the game gear based like old DAOC was before TOA etc. If you have constant raiding going on for powerful gear , you create a gear game for a game that is based around end game pvp for factions. Now you have to counter balance that gear gap treadmill with pvp only stats so raiders cant walk right into pvp and 1 shot or 2 shot people. Its nothing but a mess and only satisfies a small amount of the actual community to begin with. Lets face it who the hell is going to raid day in and day out like in wow or rift for armor skins or weapon skins? People do it to be powerful ...  Adventure zones sound much more fun to me and I would gladly keep raiding out of a game if DAOC style pvp is end game. Just for the love of god add some more gear than GW2 to all the events in game because that crap is pointless in GW2.

  Hellidol

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3/28/13 2:20:48 AM#23
Originally posted by kidas52
With the realization of no raiding, only 4 man dungeons, and " high end" world content in the form of what guild wars 2 is doing.  I guess I will just have to wait for Everquest next.

It still is going to be a great game, it is just not a game for you or anyone that like the traditional theme park. I know people start threads like this to create drama and get the attention of the dev's of the game but it is getting old....to bad it will never die because forever people that is tired of drama queens there are 5 drama queens ready to pounce.

  Hellidol

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3/28/13 2:25:16 AM#24
Originally posted by keithian
It's funny. The 3 things the OP listed are things I'm happy with. I guess different strokes for different folks.

Yup, those mad because the game isnt having raiding are those angry dwarves that wont understand it is just a differnet game and they are welcome to never play.

  Lord.Bachus

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3/28/13 2:38:29 AM#25
Originally posted by JimmyYO
I never picture'd TESO with raiding and if they add an obscene amount of endgame dungeons for 4 man's that substantually ramp up in difficulty then I see no need for raiding at all. The problem is no new MMO's have even a decent amount of endgame content in mind so i won't hold my breath.

They can abuse their 4 man content and recreate 8 man 16 man and 32 man content from most of them.. Only adding new mobs and slightly twist the stories behind the content...

 

If you played with neverwinters dungeon creator once you know that this cant be that hard. To repopulate an excisting dungeon. And so it really cant be that hard to turn those excisting dungeons intoo raid dungeons...... All they need to do is make new loot tables.

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  Xarko

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3/28/13 3:25:13 AM#26
Originally posted by Hellidol
Originally posted by keithian
It's funny. The 3 things the OP listed are things I'm happy with. I guess different strokes for different folks.

Yup, those mad because the game isnt having raiding are those angry dwarves that wont understand it is just a differnet game and they are welcome to never play.

Maybe they are angry cuz they cant play dwarves in ESO :P

  keithian

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3/28/13 3:54:56 AM#27
Originally posted by Xarko
Originally posted by Hellidol
Originally posted by keithian
It's funny. The 3 things the OP listed are things I'm happy with. I guess different strokes for different folks.

Yup, those mad because the game isnt having raiding are those angry dwarves that wont understand it is just a differnet game and they are welcome to never play.

Maybe they are angry cuz they cant play dwarves in ESO :P

With Mods anything is possible. I just tried the tropical Mod for Skryim..completely changed the entire look of the game. Wolfs became Pandas lol. However, I felt like it took away from the realism so I uninstalled it :-). If I wanted Pandas Id go back to playing WOW :-)

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  nerovipus32

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3/28/13 11:11:52 AM#28
There is no point developing content for raiders, because they will quickly consume the content and then complain about the game having no end game while bad mouthing the game on every forum until the next wow expansion launches.
  Livnthedream

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3/28/13 11:13:33 AM#29
Originally posted by nerovipus32
There is no point developing content for raiders, because they will quickly consume the content and then complain about the game having no end game while bad mouthing the game on every forum until the next wow expansion launches.

Stop confusing raiders with scrubs thanks. Especially since those same scrubs tend to do the same things with pvp, and rp, and questing and...

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  DAS1337

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3/28/13 11:16:00 AM#30

This is so funny.  I mean really, you made my afternoon so much better by reading this..Hah!

 

You have an apple.  You love the apple.  I have an apple too.  But I cut mine up into pieces, because I like it that way.  You get mad.  You insist that it's not an apple.  I laugh at you.  Because you are stupid.

 

There are raids.  It's called adventure zones.  There are also small group raids.  Which you pointed out.  

 

What the hell is your problem again?  Oh yeah, you're mad because it's not the raid you've grown accustomed to.  Thus...

 

It's not your favorite apple.

  DAS1337

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3/28/13 11:19:45 AM#31
Originally posted by jackashflash2000
Adventure zones are supposed to be sort of like raiding.  If Zen has a brain in their head they will make sure it is, thats all I can say.  They will be shitting the bed otherwise as everyone jumps ship, and this turns into just another free ro play pile of shit.

Why is it that everyone believes that without raiding, a game can't be successful?  Or the notion that the majority of gamers love raiding?  You do realize that most gamers don't enjoy locking themselves into raids, right?  Ultima Online didn't have raids.  Neither did DAOC, until TOA, and many blame TOA for killing the game.  EQ didn't have raids in a traditional sense.  All pretty popular games for their time.  I'm sure there are plenty of other games as wel that have been successful without the modern 'raid'.

 

 

  Nanfoodle

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3/28/13 11:22:35 AM#32
Yet another thread where we talking about raiding. I hope we get at least 3-4 more threads on this topic this week lol. 
  DAS1337

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3/28/13 11:23:07 AM#33
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by kidas52
With the realization of no raiding, only 4 man dungeons, and " high end" world content in the form of what guild wars 2 is doing.  I guess I will just have to wait for Everquest next.

Well that's up to you I guess.  I'm looking to give it a try myself, and some videos don't look TOO bad, but at the same time, if it's a subscription game, I'll probably only level and drop it anyway.

Hm, $15 for a good game is never a bad thing in my opinion.  I guess I can spare it though.  I mean, it's 50 cents a day.  If I can't afford that, I should probably look into selling my computer to pay bills..

  nerovipus32

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3/28/13 11:23:35 AM#34
Originally posted by jackashflash2000
Originally posted by nerovipus32
There is no point developing content for raiders, because they will quickly consume the content and then complain about the game having no end game while bad mouthing the game on every forum until the next wow expansion launches.

You make the content challenging.

 

Then you make more content. 

 

Then people keep playing, and GASP PAYING!

 

Then the cycle continues forever.  Welcome to WoW's success model.

 

Herp Derp shit the bed.

Yes because following the WOW model has been so successful in the past. People say they want something different but what most of them want is wow 2.0

  DAS1337

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3/28/13 11:24:53 AM#35
Originally posted by JasonJ
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by JasonJ

Good, dont recall ever going on a raid in a TES game. How many more things can they change before the game is nothing but TES in name only? oh wait...

Yeah, it makes sense with TES to not have raids, which is why I'm confused why some people would "skip" it after "thinking" it was going to be something it's not.  But even then, the portion of people who love raiding is probably much smaller than the people who want progression, and there's a difference.. the two don't have to go together, and as far as I know TESO's devs never stated that there will be no form of progression.  I still think a lot of people will be happy with the end result.  Just not OP, obviously.

 Dont get me wrong, im not one either...basing the entire game on DaoCs closed factions/races with funneled PvP is going to keep me from even trying it unless its F2P. TES is about open world,open choices and war that takes place everywhere, not in some neverland where everyones homes are safe.

Raiding however is content few ever take part in and doesnt fit in with the IP as much as the other things I mentioned.

There are no homes in TESO =P

 

Just had to.  Sorry!

  Miblet

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3/28/13 11:26:02 AM#36
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by jackashflash2000
Adventure zones are supposed to be sort of like raiding.  If Zen has a brain in their head they will make sure it is, thats all I can say.  They will be shitting the bed otherwise as everyone jumps ship, and this turns into just another free ro play pile of shit.

Why is it that everyone believes that without raiding, a game can't be successful?  Or the notion that the majority of gamers love raiding?  You do realize that most gamers don't enjoy locking themselves into raids, right?  Ultima Online didn't have raids.  Neither did DAOC, until TOA, and many blame TOA for killing the game.  EQ didn't have raids in a traditional sense.  All pretty popular games for their time.  I'm sure there are plenty of other games as wel that have been successful without the modern 'raid'.

EQ raiding (original).

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  nerovipus32

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3/28/13 11:26:07 AM#37
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by kidas52
With the realization of no raiding, only 4 man dungeons, and " high end" world content in the form of what guild wars 2 is doing.  I guess I will just have to wait for Everquest next.

Well that's up to you I guess.  I'm looking to give it a try myself, and some videos don't look TOO bad, but at the same time, if it's a subscription game, I'll probably only level and drop it anyway.

Hm, $15 for a good game is never a bad thing in my opinion.  I guess I can spare it though.  I mean, it's 50 cents a day.  If I can't afford that, I should probably look into selling my computer to pay bills..

It has nothing to do with being affordable but it has everything to do with not wanting to pay for shit no matter the cost. i don't pay for music channels because all they ever play is rubbish pop music and reality tv, yes i can afford it but that doesn't mean i want to pay for it.

  DAS1337

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3/28/13 11:26:50 AM#38
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by jackashflash2000
Originally posted by nerovipus32
There is no point developing content for raiders, because they will quickly consume the content and then complain about the game having no end game while bad mouthing the game on every forum until the next wow expansion launches.

You make the content challenging.

 

Then you make more content. 

 

Then people keep playing, and GASP PAYING!

 

Then the cycle continues forever.  Welcome to WoW's success model.

 

Herp Derp shit the bed.

Yes because following the WOW model has been so successful in the past. People say they want something different but what most of them want is wow 2.0

Yeah I agree.  If that's all it took, everyone would be a mega success with 10 million subscriptions.  We would all be broke from paying for a dozen subs as well =(

  triton54x

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3/28/13 11:31:06 AM#39

im confused people want raids but yet they so they want this game to be elder scroll like

 

  DAS1337

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3/28/13 11:32:19 AM#40
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by DAS1337
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by kidas52
With the realization of no raiding, only 4 man dungeons, and " high end" world content in the form of what guild wars 2 is doing.  I guess I will just have to wait for Everquest next.

Well that's up to you I guess.  I'm looking to give it a try myself, and some videos don't look TOO bad, but at the same time, if it's a subscription game, I'll probably only level and drop it anyway.

Hm, $15 for a good game is never a bad thing in my opinion.  I guess I can spare it though.  I mean, it's 50 cents a day.  If I can't afford that, I should probably look into selling my computer to pay bills..

It has nothing to do with being affordable but it has everything to do with not wanting to pay for shit no matter the cost. i don't pay for music channels because all they ever play is rubbish pop music and reality tv, yes i can afford it but that doesn't mean i want to pay for it.

Music channels?  Bad comparison.  Music channels, assuming you mean TV, you don't pay for to begin with.  Music stations, radio, you also don't pay for, as they are free.  Unless of course, they are satellite stations.  And duh, of course you don't pay for something you don't want.

 

Again, missing the point.  My obvious is apparently not as obvious to others as I would like to think.

 

What I meant is, if I'm going to play a game, it's going to be because I want to.  Not because it's P2P, B2P, or F2P.  This just made me think of my mother.  She buys things BECAUSE they are on sale, not because she needs them.  That's kind of what I mean.  If you don't want to play, I don't see why cost would matter.

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