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  Caliburn101

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Joined: 3/30/11
Posts: 647

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

 
OP  2/27/13 3:22:57 AM#1

It seems to me, and a lot of other people too, that TESO is not a true successor to TES, it is an attempt to reskin DAoC.

This might be entirely unfair.

It might not.

The key here is how many of the beloved core elements of TES have been compromised by the beloved elements of DAoC.

What do you think?

What IS TESO?

TES with DAoC flawlessly integrated
TES with DAoC clumsily integrated
TES ruined by too much DAoC
DAoC 2 using a popular IP to generate more sales
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  Nitth

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Joined: 7/29/10
Posts: 3304

Magic Propels my Rolly Chair.

2/27/13 3:34:31 AM#2

Never Once have i heard them say anything along the lines of We are really passionate about the Elder Scrolls

They have always said: "We have systems TES players would like."


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  walltar

Novice Member

Joined: 1/31/09
Posts: 60

2/27/13 3:44:52 AM#3
"TESO is not a true successor" Oh fuck ... this again. It is not successor at all ... there will by proper TES game done by bethesda. This is MMO set in TES universe with MMO mechanics. It is done by another company, by another people. Was wow true successor of Warcraft? Because last i chesked i did not see any basebuilding in there.

  Caliburn101

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Joined: 3/30/11
Posts: 647

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

 
OP  2/27/13 3:52:37 AM#4
Originally posted by walltar
"TESO is not a true successor" Oh fuck ... this again. It is not successor at all ... there will by proper TES game done by bethesda. This is MMO set in TES universe with MMO mechanics. It is done by another company, by another people. Was wow true successor of Warcraft? Because last i chesked i did not see any basebuilding in there.

I do sympathise - but I intend to keep banging this drum in as non-bias a way as I can.

You'll see from the poll choices at least that despite my personal opinion, all options are available to vote on.

  Kyleran

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Joined: 9/13/06
Posts: 19111

Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

2/27/13 4:06:40 AM#5
What do you hope to accomplish? Whatever this title is has already been set long ago, it will not be changing.

It really does seem like it will be more of a RVR centric title a la DAOC with modern theme park design elements that have been modified somewhat based on ESO gameplay and lore.

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, you speak as if these are bad things?
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  sapphen

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 918

2/27/13 7:46:21 AM#6

I like this thread because it calls ESO out for what it is.  I don't care what the developers are trying to feed us, they never intended to make a TES MMO (originally tab targeting, no proper FPV,  no faction choice and limited exploration is not TES).  They wanted to make money by creating a generic MMO with DAoC RvR in a TES skin.

I think they underestimated TES.  They should've concentrated more on the franchise and converting what systems they can to a MMO format instead of copying an old ass RvR game that no one plays.  Morrowind has more players right now than DAoC (according to xfire).

They took a series that has been redefining the RPG genre for years and made it into a cheap knock-off.

  Whiskey_Sam

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Joined: 1/13/12
Posts: 275

Nemo me impune lacessit.

2/27/13 8:50:43 AM#7
This whole thing has fascinated me.  I can't remember ever seeing a game where its IP's fans generally seem to hate the concept but another IP's fans have adopted it as their own.  I can't recall ever seeing a fan-transplant like this where DAoC fans are defending this to the hilt while TES fans are generally dismissive.  That speaks volumes to me about how badly they've screwed up their PR in how the game is perceived, and that's without even considering whether their design choices are wise or not.

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  Rottenbrains

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/06/13
Posts: 2

2/27/13 11:56:40 AM#8
As far as i'm concerned, TESO was supposed to be an MMORPG designed for TES fans, using elements of the TES we love. What I really enjoyed in the TES games was the fast paced first person combat that did not include ANY hotbars, the random encounters, the vast amount of quests that can be interesting, rewarding, funny, or all three of those...And ofcourse the fact that I could lift up objects and put them on shopkeepers' heads, so I could loot everything they owned. Sure, killing enemies and spawning cheese was fun, but face it, that's not the thing you were doing most of your time. They will likely remove some things like pickpocketing, for reasons I understand. Though, for players who really love those options, they should make a seperate server...OR allow players to create their own servers, never saw an MMORPG with player-ran servers (Unless you count Minecraft as MMORPG)...Agree/dissagree?
  azzamasin

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Joined: 6/06/12
Posts: 2742

We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

2/27/13 12:04:27 PM#9
Originally posted by Caliburn101
Originally posted by walltar
"TESO is not a true successor" Oh fuck ... this again. It is not successor at all ... there will by proper TES game done by bethesda. This is MMO set in TES universe with MMO mechanics. It is done by another company, by another people. Was wow true successor of Warcraft? Because last i chesked i did not see any basebuilding in there.

I do sympathise - but I intend to keep banging this drum in as non-bias a way as I can.

You'll see from the poll choices at least that despite my personal opinion, all options are available to vote on.

 

Why? What do you hope to accomplish? Why is something, a game, that is attempting to combine aspects of multiple systems a bad thing? Or needs to be banged on by you of all people? You do realize countless other games have done the same thing right? An entire organization was founded on the idea "we will combine and iterate on multiple sysstem". (Blizzard) Me thinks you do not need to bang the drum at all.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  sapphen

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 918

2/27/13 12:05:55 PM#10
Originally posted by Rottenbrains
Though, for players who really love those options, they should make a seperate server...OR allow players to create their own servers, never saw an MMORPG with player-ran servers (Unless you count Minecraft as MMORPG)...Agree/dissagree?

 

Hell yeah I agree. I created a thread here stating that they should give all subscribers their own server (exactly like ESO online but with only one player). In this server they could add housing and other perks from the single player version. Then players could be encouraged to invite others to their server (up to 2000) or play on a public server.

I also think that the developers make their own mods and give them to subscribers (or charge b2p/f2p). These dev mods could open all sorts of options and not effect the official game.

  spankybus

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Joined: 11/20/05
Posts: 1164

"Don''t touch that squirrel''s nuts!" - Willy Wonka

2/27/13 12:06:06 PM#11
How the hell could anyone answer that quesiton before playing the game? Seriously??

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  azzamasin

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Joined: 6/06/12
Posts: 2742

We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

2/27/13 12:06:21 PM#12
Originally posted by Rottenbrains
As far as i'm concerned, TESO was supposed to be an MMORPG designed for TES fans, using elements of the TES we love. What I really enjoyed in the TES games was the fast paced first person combat that did not include ANY hotbars, the random encounters, the vast amount of quests that can be interesting, rewarding, funny, or all three of those...And ofcourse the fact that I could lift up objects and put them on shopkeepers' heads, so I could loot everything they owned. Sure, killing enemies and spawning cheese was fun, but face it, that's not the thing you were doing most of your time. They will likely remove some things like pickpocketing, for reasons I understand. Though, for players who really love those options, they should make a seperate server...OR allow players to create their own servers, never saw an MMORPG with player-ran servers (Unless you count Minecraft as MMORPG)...Agree/dissagree?

Ahh but you see.  In fact it did include hotbars.  Hotbars designed for a console, one in which you favorite an item and can access its functionality through the favorites system is infact a hotbar albeit hidden.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  sapphen

Novice Member

Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 918

2/27/13 12:07:29 PM#13
Originally posted by spankybus
How the hell could anyone answer that quesiton before playing the game? Seriously??

Have you not read anything about this game?

  Iselin

The Listener

Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3806

2/27/13 12:16:31 PM#14

What it is, is a game I will play. All other nitpicky shit is just something to keep the bored busy arguing...

it will release as a total package that will be either worth playing or not... can't wait to leave all these specualtive threads behind and actually play the damn thing.

  timtrack

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Joined: 10/03/06
Posts: 404

2/27/13 12:16:34 PM#15

In the past: "This game does not appeal to me, i shall ignore it and move on to follow games that do appeal to me."

 

Now: "This game does not appeal to me, it should be changed to my liking or i will make posts on every forum on the internet about how this game is worse than Hitler."

  spankybus

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Posts: 1164

"Don''t touch that squirrel''s nuts!" - Willy Wonka

2/27/13 12:17:02 PM#16
Originally posted by sapphen
Originally posted by spankybus
How the hell could anyone answer that quesiton before playing the game? Seriously??

Have you not read anything about this game?

Sure, and nothing about the reading tells you the degree of success that TESO will Channel DAoC....well integrated? Clumsily?? That kind of flavor can only be known by actually chewing the gum, not reading the wrapper.

Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature

  Iselin

The Listener

Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3806

2/27/13 12:28:05 PM#17
Originally posted by timtrack

In the past: "This game does not appeal to me, i shall ignore it and move on to follow games that do appeal to me."

 

Now: "This game does not appeal to me, it should be changed to my liking or i will make posts on every forum on the internet about how this game is worse than Hitler."

 Roflmao...good one :)

  sapphen

Novice Member

Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 918

2/27/13 12:28:38 PM#18
Originally posted by spankybus
Originally posted by sapphen
Originally posted by spankybus
How the hell could anyone answer that quesiton before playing the game? Seriously??

Have you not read anything about this game?

Sure, and nothing about the reading tells you the degree of success that TESO will Channel DAoC....well integrated? Clumsily?? That kind of flavor can only be known by actually chewing the gum, not reading the wrapper.

That's your opinion.  The reason why I think they did it rather clumsily is they changed the lore and faction locked areas/races in order to make the 3 faction system.  I think they are using the IP to make a DAoC knock-off because they did these things at the cost of established TES mechanics.  I have all the information I need to make my assessment, I don't need to chew on a piece of liquorice to tell you I don't like it.

  sapphen

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 918

2/27/13 12:35:42 PM#19
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by timtrack

In the past: "This game does not appeal to me, i shall ignore it and move on to follow games that do appeal to me."

 

Now: "This game does not appeal to me, it should be changed to my liking or i will make posts on every forum on the internet about how this game is worse than Hitler."

 Roflmao...good one :)

Although zeni is making the game, Bethesda has always welcomed fan feedback.  I can't help it that the DAoC fans or ESO supporters get angry at us for voicing our concerns.  The whole thing escalates because anyone who says something against the current design is attacked and made to look like a fanatic.  Half of my frustration has nothing to do with the game but the sheep who blindly support it.

  PyrateLV

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2/27/13 12:37:30 PM#20
Originally posted by Whiskey_Sam
This whole thing has fascinated me.  I can't remember ever seeing a game where its IP's fans generally seem to hate the concept but another IP's fans have adopted it as their own.  I can't recall ever seeing a fan-transplant like this where DAoC fans are defending this to the hilt while TES fans are generally dismissive.  That speaks volumes to me about how badly they've screwed up their PR in how the game is perceived, and that's without even considering whether their design choices are wise or not.

Its kind of sad really. We have 2 games in development,

One is an Elder Scrolls game that fans are happy with it being made as a DAOC2

The other is the actual DAOC2, but you see fans clamoring for it to be made like Skyrim.

 

Something is seriously wrong in the world of MMOs

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