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Elder Scrolls Online Forum » General Discussion » Must See about ESO and mmorpgs in general.

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  Zefire

Novice Member

Joined: 9/21/10
Posts: 700

 
OP  2/11/13 10:55:06 PM#1

Im glad i ve found a video about why mmos are failing all the time and there is no need to write about it.

With  ESO coming up this year a lot of you are over hyped.

In my many posts i talk about how bad i hate simplified games and eso is no exception to this.

Watch this video and learn how eso can succeed or fail   misserable

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMABij_YqVU

  Zefire

Novice Member

Joined: 9/21/10
Posts: 700

 
OP  2/11/13 11:06:17 PM#2

For those didn't notice part 2 is here

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_163427&feature=iv&src_vid=dMABij_YqVU&v=pp_kdFjm-EU

  laokoko

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/14/09
Posts: 1931

2/11/13 11:26:09 PM#3

I actually bother to listen thourgh all it.

I'm sick of listening to people telling people what they should play.  If casual want to play mmorpg let them play. 

Oh casual gamer shouldn't be allowed, if they can't play for 10 hours a day they should go play other genre.

Oh esport shouldn't be allowed in mmorpg, go play LOL.  Only wolrd pvp should be alowed.

oh gamer shouldn't play themepark, since they are not roll playing in a virtual world like sandbox.

Oh dungeon shouldn't be instanced because that destroy immersion.

Oh solo gamers shouldn't play mmorpg because the first world of MMORPG stand for massive.

 

Maybe there just isn't enough nerdy player in the world, that the mmorpg developer actaully have to cater to other genre.

I like to solo, and if you can find me a single player game that the npc AI function like real player and have a real life economy, and have update every  few month, and I can do "instanced dungeon with people", and bug and hacks are actually fixed on the prompt, and I can actually pvp once in a while, I'll go play that.  Else I felt like spending most of my time solo, and you can **** it.

And you know what? just because I like to solo 80% of the time, dont' mean I like to solo 100% of the time.

If you want forced grouping you should try other genre like league of legend, you shouldn't play mmorpg.  You know what? those fps game is good for grouping too, you are always grouped.  Please stop playing mmorpg and you won't have that problem.

 

  Akerbeltz

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/12/13
Posts: 153

2/12/13 7:33:06 AM#4

Hi fellow mmorpgers:

 

I've been following the site for a long time but never got to post until I watched the OP's video. Just wanted to show my support and associate myself with all the remarks made by Larzul, the video's commentator.

 

Thanks very much for all the thought put into your presentation, it exactly mirrors my feelings and the ones of my roleplaying mates - we couldn't have said it better. Again, thanks Larzul!

 

As a UO, AC and SWG veteran and avid pen&paper roleplayer, it's very sad how the Masive Multiplayer Online ROLE PLAYING GAME (allow me to emphasize those last 3 words)  genre has degenerated in the last 10 years to the linear, compartmentalized, hand-holding, epic welfare arcade dumbfest we have nowadays.

 

It's especially sad to see such in a well loved franchise as TES, a paradigm of free-form progression and high degree world interaction that has captured the imagination of the roleplaying scene since the days of Arena.

 

It is sad, as I say, and it is ironic how this industry in its urge to commercialize the genre to a wide public, consequently having to cater to the lowest common denominator playerbase (that is the ones that should have never played mmoRPGs in the first place), has basically ruined the genre for good.

 

It was never so true that "you cannot chew more than you can eat". This genre is not going out of the mud (both financially and from an artistic and technical point of view) till the industry goes back to its roots and focus on its original niche public. A differentiation of concepts between "Massive Multiplayer Online ROLE PLAYING GAME" and "Cooperative or Solo Online Arcade-with-role-playing-alike-stats Casual Game" would be welcome too. 

 

Edit: typos

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  laokoko

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Joined: 9/14/09
Posts: 1931

2/12/13 4:02:10 PM#5

^ As much as I sympathize you for not having a game to play.  Or whatever you think the mmorpg genre should be headed, that's fine, I dont' care.  If you think mmorpg should be only grouped that's fine too.

But when people start saying "XXX type of people shouldn't play mmorpg, they should be playing other genre".  I just say **** it.  Your not someone's mama, please stop telling people what to play and what not to play.

 

  miagisan

Novice Member

Joined: 7/28/06
Posts: 5298

2/12/13 8:16:55 PM#6
i agree with the other posters.....who cares what some loudmouth or some poster thinks about a game. If you enjoy it....rock on. Noone else can tell you what to enjoy or what to spend your money on.

  jtcgs

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Joined: 9/28/04
Posts: 1843

2/12/13 8:39:01 PM#7

The guy is way off base.

Example: All games are going to be compared to WoW no matter what, period, thats the way it is.

No, people like HIM does that because they are small minded gits. I only compare games that are trying to be LIKE WoW to WoW...if a game is sandbox, I dont compare them, if a game is a royal PoS single player game with online capabilities like SWTOR...I dont compare it to WoW.

A lot of his opinions are stuck in the box and lack critical thinking.

Another PERFECT example of his lack of critical thinking. In games today he says, you are not connecting to the character because you are not in direct control of the story, you are watching it and are not really having fun, you think you are having fun.

This is complete BS. I HATE, let me make sure you understand this, I H A T E SWTOR, it is a crap MMO in my eyes let I will tell you this, I had more fun playing the Commando storyline than I had playing any story in any MMO and that includes games I liked enough to play for 6 god damn years like Asherons Call. I FELT like I was in the army, I could be THE soldier or I could be a smart mouth insubordinate. And it was FUN. The class was fun, the combat was fun. The game itself blew. I wasnt taken out of the world looking in as he says, I was connected to my character as much as I was in any other game.

More proof this guy has his head up his backside. Oh if you cant play for hours on end and you want to just pick up and go, well MMOs are not for you.

That is closed minded BULLDUNG. Asherons Call was a SANDBOX game, far more so than Everquest and you could just log in and GO...in fact, by his own standards, MMOs are not for him...games like NWN2 that had online capabilities where you can sit and wait for others to "join" in for long periods of time...cause I sure as hell wasnt sitting and waiting in Meridian 59, the Realm or Ultima Online...it was EverCrap that introduced the sit and wait for a group to go sit and wait at a spawn for hours bullcrap.

Anyway, if TESO is made the way this guy wants it, it would be even worse than the piss poor choices they are making now with its closed factions, restricted PvP and restricted faction zones.

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  Fearum

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Joined: 1/15/11
Posts: 1092

2/12/13 9:21:44 PM#8
I agree with the dude to a certain point about alot of the things he is saying, but I can't stop thinking while watching him that little one liner "Cocaine is a helluv a drug". I doubt ESO will be for hardcore fans though, I don't think we will really see any anymore. Also damn I hate the Yankee's. Phillies/Eagles fan here and we know lots about losing.
  Crazyhorsek

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Joined: 8/18/12
Posts: 252

2/12/13 11:44:05 PM#9
Originally posted by jtcgs

 

Anyway, if TESO is made the way this guy wants it, it would be even worse than the piss poor choices they are making now with its closed factions, restricted PvP and restricted faction zones.

EXCEPT... the faction lock, the restricted pvp and faction zones (your redundancy is killing me here) are GOOD CHOICES for the game. You may not realize it, but THEY ARE.

  Don-Quixote

Novice Member

Joined: 3/30/12
Posts: 87

If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

2/13/13 12:32:09 AM#10

This guy is the typical acritical nostalgic preacher who just enjoys stating cliché after cliché:

"The average gamer", "The average moron": basically trying to say that he, by some sort of deserved mystical status, is above the average gamer and so he's able to understand and appreciate the true meaning of gaming and he's here to reveal that arcane wisdom to us.

"You think you are having fun". O please sensei tell me why I'm not having fun even when I think am having it, I have been misled! Tell me!

"every game will be compared to WoW" No, YOU compare every game to WoW.

This type of nostalgic and resented game/genre "reviewer" is part of the problem, not the solution.

  hcoelho

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/01/08
Posts: 524

2/13/13 1:47:05 AM#11

i thought this was about TESO. 

 

Terrible video, has nothing to do with TESO and has no value in it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but this guy has a freaking terrible one, he can't even communicate properly. Talking about what is and what's not. 

  emikochan

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Joined: 10/16/07
Posts: 276

Welcome to my world.

2/13/13 1:56:00 AM#12

This guy is so full of himself. Needs to take off the rose spectacles.

 

3/10

  easy-r

Novice Member

Joined: 11/09/12
Posts: 40

2/13/13 1:59:30 AM#13
Originally posted by Akerbeltz

Hi fellow mmorpgers:

 

I've been following the site for a long time but never got to post until I watched the OP's video. Just wanted to show my support and associate myself with all the remarks made by Larzul, the video's commentator.

 

Thanks very much for all the thought put into your presentation, it exactly mirrors my feelings and the ones of my roleplaying mates - we couldn't have said it better. Again, thanks Larzul!

 

As a UO, AC and SWG veteran and avid pen&paper roleplayer, it's very sad how the Masive Multiplayer Online ROLE PLAYING GAME (allow me to emphasize those last 3 words)  genre has degenerated in the last 10 years to the linear, compartmentalized, hand-holding, epic welfare arcade dumbfest we have nowadays.

 

It's especially sad to see such in a well loved franchise as TES, a paradigm of free-form progression and high degree world interaction that has captured the imagination of the roleplaying scene since the days of Arena.

 

It is sad, as I say, and it is ironic how this industry in its urge to commercialize the genre to a wide public, consequently having to cater to the lowest common denominator playerbase (that is the ones that should have never played mmoRPGs in the first place), has basically ruined the genre for good.

 

It was never so true that "you cannot chew more than you can eat". This genre is not going out of the mud (both financially and from an artistic and technical point of view) till the industry goes back to its roots and focus on its original niche public. A differentiation of concepts between "Massive Multiplayer Online ROLE PLAYING GAME" and "Cooperative or Solo Online Arcade-with-role-playing-alike-stats Casual Game" would be welcome too. 

 

Edit: typos

 

 

i didnt watch video but bahaha this post is epic right hurr

 

  easy-r

Novice Member

Joined: 11/09/12
Posts: 40

2/13/13 2:00:56 AM#14
i will add that i read some things that made ESO sound good to me and I am hopeful they wil be bold enough to release a unique game that goes back to some of the great games roots and also throws in some new things!
  cura

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Joined: 7/24/04
Posts: 869

2/13/13 2:08:26 AM#15

ROFL, maybe this guy is right - im not in a mood to listen to the whole thing - but he acts like some psychologist talking about some very serious stuff. MMO world should be gratefull for this deep analysis ;-)

 

EDIT: Just noticed ha made sure to show us he got a bow and a rifle. Jesus, what a muppet.

  Caliburn101

Novice Member

Joined: 3/30/11
Posts: 647

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

2/13/13 3:34:53 AM#16

Wow!

Talk about egocentric...

The commentator has e'leet'ist ganking jerk written all over him.

Thankfully, I guarantee he will be on a different part of the megaserver to me. I can't imagine anyone with such a personality profile giving the same answers to the server shard questions as me - or anyone I would give the time of day to either...

  Doogiehowser

Novice Member

Joined: 3/14/12
Posts: 1939

2/13/13 5:20:35 AM#17
Originally posted by Caliburn101

Wow!

Talk about egocentric...

The commentator has e'leet'ist ganking jerk written all over him.

Thankfully, I guarantee he will be on a different part of the megaserver to me. I can't imagine anyone with such a personality profile giving the same answers to the server shard questions as me - or anyone I would give the time of day to either...

Haha..couldn't have said it better myself.

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  FromHell

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Posts: 1338

2/13/13 5:25:39 AM#18

Ha! I somehow expected this would be a Larzul video ! Big fan of his channel.

 

I love this guys videos, check out what he says about GW2, this is so spot on I subbed his channel months ago. 

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  mate0377

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Joined: 4/20/08
Posts: 56

2/13/13 5:32:07 AM#19

Larzul talking about GW2 as a failure...?? Really ? The most successful MMORPG since WOW

 

  vmoped

Novice Member

Joined: 3/07/04
Posts: 1722

2/13/13 5:37:23 AM#20

So according to the OP all these recent mmorpg's are failing eh... yet all of these companies recently posted financial reports that state the opposite.  They have facts, the OP and video guy have opinions....

hm....

cheers!

MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S

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