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  Nitth

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1/25/13 11:06:21 AM#161


Originally posted by deakon

Originally posted by itgrowls Well I can see there's no shortage of "p2p zombie" idiots commenting on these forums, apparently 2012 hasn't taught them a single thing. Not only does P2P often crash as we've seen time and time again in 2012 but it certainly does NOT guarantee quality people as we've all seen from games like WoW. So My suggestion to those who are holding onto that dream in this continuing economic crisis is, dream on. "The elitism is strong with this one", is what came to mind when I saw the first few comments on this thread.  For all those who want another P2P marvel let me remind you of the last one we had, "May the force be with you". Yeah we saw how well that went didn't we, and please please don't insult our intelligence by suggesting it's not due to the payment model.
So the thing everyone complained about swtor at launch was the payment model? Nope it was lack of end game, ilum slide show,  no ui customisation, no lfg, poor engine etc.

Hardly anyone complained about the payment model until people started realising the quality of the game wasnt worth the payment due to them releasing the game in alpha shape.

So no swtors faults had nothing to do with payment model and had more to do with releasing an unfinished game on an engine that couldnt handle what they wanted players to use it for.

If subs weredead then no one would be using that model let alone the most succesfull game in the genre


That's not entirely true.

There was a percentage of people that really wanted kotor 3. They even got bent out of shape because Bioware requested that they put down a credit card for future reoccurring payments. and when bioware refused a refund after 30 days then proceeded to charge back.

Now, The people that approached it as an mmorpg did for the most part take issues with what you described and the fact that the game did not meet the expectations of what was in their head.


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  PyrateLV

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1/25/13 11:09:04 AM#162
I think the Cancelation Model will be the most popular payment option

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  Nitth

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1/25/13 11:09:43 AM#163


Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by superniceguy Subsciption with Lifetime Subscription option. If it offereed LT sub I would take it.
TSW LTers will vastly disagree.  LT subs are retarded as one can never know the future of a game.
  Speak for yourself.
I agree.  I'm actually considering purchasing that because I can see playing that game until the servers shut down.  Anyway, back to work.  I'll check back later lol.
Which one can do now for 30 bucks vs the... what 200 bucks for LT sub pluse the 50-60 buck retail price when it was being sold?  Clearly a rip off when you compare it now.  LT subs are gambles which have yet to see a game pay it off with the exception of maybe Rift.

I will always receive funcom points.
I will always get any content i want, (Free after 14mnths)
Hell i got 25k funcom points up front from buying the LT.


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  Betaguy

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1/25/13 11:12:03 AM#164
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by superniceguy Subsciption with Lifetime Subscription option. If it offereed LT sub I would take it.
TSW LTers will vastly disagree.  LT subs are retarded as one can never know the future of a game.
  Speak for yourself.
I agree.  I'm actually considering purchasing that because I can see playing that game until the servers shut down.  Anyway, back to work.  I'll check back later lol.
Which one can do now for 30 bucks vs the... what 200 bucks for LT sub pluse the 50-60 buck retail price when it was being sold?  Clearly a rip off when you compare it now.  LT subs are gambles which have yet to see a game pay it off with the exception of maybe Rift.

 

I will always receive funcom points.
I will always get any content i want, (Free after 14mnths)
Hell i got 25k funcom points up front from buying the LT.

 

 Going to be a shame when the company folds this year and you get nothing... well maybe they will send you a Xmas card in the mail every year after.

  Nitth

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1/25/13 11:14:10 AM#165


Originally posted by Betaguy

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by superniceguy Subsciption with Lifetime Subscription option. If it offereed LT sub I would take it.
TSW LTers will vastly disagree.  LT subs are retarded as one can never know the future of a game.
  Speak for yourself.
I agree.  I'm actually considering purchasing that because I can see playing that game until the servers shut down.  Anyway, back to work.  I'll check back later lol.
Which one can do now for 30 bucks vs the... what 200 bucks for LT sub pluse the 50-60 buck retail price when it was being sold?  Clearly a rip off when you compare it now.  LT subs are gambles which have yet to see a game pay it off with the exception of maybe Rift.
  I will always receive funcom points. I will always get any content i want, (Free after 14mnths) Hell i got 25k funcom points up front from buying the LT.  
 Going to be a shame when the company folds this year and you get nothing... well maybe they will send you a Xmas card in the mail every year after.

Can i patronize you back if the company doesn't fold in a years time?


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  korent1991

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1/25/13 11:16:22 AM#166
Originally posted by Galadourn
I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.

I've played WOW for years and the community I experienced was awful, elitist wannabe and anything but mature...

Then, I got to GW2 and I'm just amazed how better the community in game is. One of the friendliest community in mmorpg world.

I'm not really sure why people get this idea that P2P will get you mature crowd... So far I've experienced exactly the opposite.

I think B2P with cash shop (not intrusive cash shop where it blocks you from progressing) doesn't give the players this feeling that they're getting coined where P2P model does and is outdated (atleast those sub prices which are present today) thus should be left where it belongs.

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  Betaguy

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1/25/13 11:16:38 AM#167
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Betaguy

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by superniceguy Subsciption with Lifetime Subscription option. If it offereed LT sub I would take it.
TSW LTers will vastly disagree.  LT subs are retarded as one can never know the future of a game.
  Speak for yourself.
I agree.  I'm actually considering purchasing that because I can see playing that game until the servers shut down.  Anyway, back to work.  I'll check back later lol.
Which one can do now for 30 bucks vs the... what 200 bucks for LT sub pluse the 50-60 buck retail price when it was being sold?  Clearly a rip off when you compare it now.  LT subs are gambles which have yet to see a game pay it off with the exception of maybe Rift.
  I will always receive funcom points. I will always get any content i want, (Free after 14mnths) Hell i got 25k funcom points up front from buying the LT.  
 Going to be a shame when the company folds this year and you get nothing... well maybe they will send you a Xmas card in the mail every year after.

 

Can i patronize you back if the company doesn't fold in a years time?

 Sure... I have no feelings

  Scottgun

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1/25/13 11:17:12 AM#168
Heh. Every time I hear about lifetime subscriptions, I think of this from The Big Bang Theory: http://youtu.be/2jAePQzdXGg?t=5s

How not to sell me on a game: "And most people that make it past the tutorial seem to appreciate [x game's] uniqueness, even if they don't find it fun."

  ShakyMo

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1/25/13 11:23:08 AM#169
Korent
That's because wow Is a phatlewt game, where as gw2 is the opposite.

The more important gear is, the more drama you get in game and the worse the community.

This goes way back before wow. Way more drama in EQ than less gear driven games like coh and daoc for instance.
  Mollow

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1/25/13 11:27:48 AM#170

Pay 2 Play.

  Aeonblades

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1/25/13 11:30:01 AM#171
Originally posted by korent1991
Originally posted by Galadourn
I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.

I've played WOW for years and the community I experienced was awful, elitist wannabe and anything but mature...

Then, I got to GW2 and I'm just amazed how better the community in game is. One of the friendliest community in mmorpg world.

I'm not really sure why people get this idea that P2P will get you mature crowd... So far I've experienced exactly the opposite.

I think B2P with cash shop (not intrusive cash shop where it blocks you from progressing) doesn't give the players this feeling that they're getting coined where P2P model does and is outdated (atleast those sub prices which are present today) thus should be left where it belongs.

Sorry man, you lost me in a fit of giggles at GW2 having a good community. This game is actually known for it's piss poor community. Great game in it's own way, but community is not one of those ways.

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  Istavaan

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1/25/13 11:32:31 AM#172
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by korent1991
Originally posted by Galadourn
I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.

I've played WOW for years and the community I experienced was awful, elitist wannabe and anything but mature...

Then, I got to GW2 and I'm just amazed how better the community in game is. One of the friendliest community in mmorpg world.

I'm not really sure why people get this idea that P2P will get you mature crowd... So far I've experienced exactly the opposite.

I think B2P with cash shop (not intrusive cash shop where it blocks you from progressing) doesn't give the players this feeling that they're getting coined where P2P model does and is outdated (atleast those sub prices which are present today) thus should be left where it belongs.

Sorry man, you lost me in a fit of giggles at GW2 having a good community. This game is actually known for it's piss poor community. Great game in it's own way, but community is not one of those ways.

Wow has the worst community in the mmo genre and it's p2p. The business model does not determine what the community will be like the game itself will shape that.

  Aeonblades

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1/25/13 11:34:01 AM#173
Originally posted by Istavaan
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by korent1991
Originally posted by Galadourn
I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.

I've played WOW for years and the community I experienced was awful, elitist wannabe and anything but mature...

Then, I got to GW2 and I'm just amazed how better the community in game is. One of the friendliest community in mmorpg world.

I'm not really sure why people get this idea that P2P will get you mature crowd... So far I've experienced exactly the opposite.

I think B2P with cash shop (not intrusive cash shop where it blocks you from progressing) doesn't give the players this feeling that they're getting coined where P2P model does and is outdated (atleast those sub prices which are present today) thus should be left where it belongs.

Sorry man, you lost me in a fit of giggles at GW2 having a good community. This game is actually known for it's piss poor community. Great game in it's own way, but community is not one of those ways.

Wow has the worst community in the mmo genre and it's p2p. The business model does not determine what the community will be like the game itself will shape that.

I didn't say WoW was any better, why are we comparing a game that old that we know is the preferred game of kids? It's kind of a moot point. All I was saying was that saying GW2 has a good community is like saying SWTOR had a great launch and plenty of end game content at release.

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  Istavaan

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1/25/13 11:38:19 AM#174
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by Istavaan
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by korent1991
Originally posted by Galadourn
I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.

I've played WOW for years and the community I experienced was awful, elitist wannabe and anything but mature...

Then, I got to GW2 and I'm just amazed how better the community in game is. One of the friendliest community in mmorpg world.

I'm not really sure why people get this idea that P2P will get you mature crowd... So far I've experienced exactly the opposite.

I think B2P with cash shop (not intrusive cash shop where it blocks you from progressing) doesn't give the players this feeling that they're getting coined where P2P model does and is outdated (atleast those sub prices which are present today) thus should be left where it belongs.

Sorry man, you lost me in a fit of giggles at GW2 having a good community. This game is actually known for it's piss poor community. Great game in it's own way, but community is not one of those ways.

Wow has the worst community in the mmo genre and it's p2p. The business model does not determine what the community will be like the game itself will shape that.

I didn't say WoW was any better, why are we comparing a game that old that we know is the preferred game of kids? It's kind of a moot point. All I was saying was that saying GW2 has a good community is like saying SWTOR had a great launch and plenty of end game content at release.

Because people are identifying a good community with a certain business model. p2p creates a more mature community etc, which is not true.

  Nitth

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1/25/13 11:40:31 AM#175


Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Originally posted by korent1991

Originally posted by Galadourn I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.
I've played WOW for years and the community I experienced was awful, elitist wannabe and anything but mature... Then, I got to GW2 and I'm just amazed how better the community in game is. One of the friendliest community in mmorpg world. I'm not really sure why people get this idea that P2P will get you mature crowd... So far I've experienced exactly the opposite. I think B2P with cash shop (not intrusive cash shop where it blocks you from progressing) doesn't give the players this feeling that they're getting coined where P2P model does and is outdated (atleast those sub prices which are present today) thus should be left where it belongs.
Sorry man, you lost me in a fit of giggles at GW2 having a good community. This game is actually known for it's piss poor community. Great game in it's own way, but community is not one of those ways.
Wow has the worst community in the mmo genre and it's p2p. The business model does not determine what the community will be like the game itself will shape that.
I didn't say WoW was any better, why are we comparing a game that old that we know is the preferred game of kids? It's kind of a moot point. All I was saying was that saying GW2 has a good community is like saying SWTOR had a great launch and plenty of end game content at release.
Because people are identifying a good community with a certain business model. p2p creates a more mature community etc, which is not true.

That cant be proven either way.

Ryzom for example has like 12 players and 90% is a fantastic p2p community. if you let in 200 f2p players the potential for a disastrous community escalates.

The amount of people associated with the game plays a larger role.


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  Istavaan

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1/25/13 11:44:56 AM#176
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Originally posted by korent1991

Originally posted by Galadourn I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.
I've played WOW for years and the community I experienced was awful, elitist wannabe and anything but mature... Then, I got to GW2 and I'm just amazed how better the community in game is. One of the friendliest community in mmorpg world. I'm not really sure why people get this idea that P2P will get you mature crowd... So far I've experienced exactly the opposite. I think B2P with cash shop (not intrusive cash shop where it blocks you from progressing) doesn't give the players this feeling that they're getting coined where P2P model does and is outdated (atleast those sub prices which are present today) thus should be left where it belongs.
Sorry man, you lost me in a fit of giggles at GW2 having a good community. This game is actually known for it's piss poor community. Great game in it's own way, but community is not one of those ways.
Wow has the worst community in the mmo genre and it's p2p. The business model does not determine what the community will be like the game itself will shape that.
I didn't say WoW was any better, why are we comparing a game that old that we know is the preferred game of kids? It's kind of a moot point. All I was saying was that saying GW2 has a good community is like saying SWTOR had a great launch and plenty of end game content at release.
Because people are identifying a good community with a certain business model. p2p creates a more mature community etc, which is not true.

 

That cant be proven either way.

Ryzom for example has like 12 players and 90% is a fantastic p2p community. if you let in 200 f2p players the potential for a disastrous community escalates.

The amount of people associated with the game plays a larger role.

That's beside the point, elder scrolls online isn't going to be f2p, it will either be p2p or b2p.

  Vunak23

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1/25/13 11:46:35 AM#177

I love when people use WoW as an example when it suits their needs. You know whats F2P and has the worst community of any game. LoL. I would rather have the WoW community then that community. 

We have had one game that is B2P and its community is nothing to praise either. Yet we have many good P2P games with amazing communities, FFXI, UO, Shadowbane, DAoC and the list goes on. Now I am sure there are F2P games with great communites as well, I'm not trying to say there isn't. But having a gate there at the start will keep it from being accessible to every one on the block and help keep out botters and RMT alike if not just the random kid that doesn't belong in the game in the first place. 

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  Aeonblades

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1/25/13 11:48:23 AM#178
Originally posted by Vunak23

I love when people use WoW as an example when it suits there needs. You know whats F2P and has the worst community of any game. LoL. I would rather have the WoW community then that community. 

We have had one game that is B2P and its community is nothing to praise either. Yet we have many good P2P games with amazing communities, FFXI, UO, Shadowbane, DAoC and the list goes on. Now I am sure there are F2P games with great communites as well, I'm not trying to say there isn't. But having a gate there at the start will keep it from being accessible to every one on the block and help keep out botters and RMT alike if not just the random kid that doesn't belong in the game in the first place. 

Well said. LoL's community. /shudder

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  Istavaan

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1/25/13 11:50:28 AM#179
Originally posted by Vunak23

I love when people use WoW as an example when it suits there needs. You know whats F2P and has the worst community of any game. LoL. I would rather have the WoW community then that community. 

We have had one game that is B2P and its community is nothing to praise either. Yet we have many good P2P games with amazing communities, FFXI, UO, Shadowbane, DAoC and the list goes on. Now I am sure there are F2P games with great communites as well, I'm not trying to say there isn't. But having a gate there at the start will keep it from being accessible to every one on the block and help keep out botters and RMT alike if not just the random kid that doesn't belong in the game in the first place. 

I love how you use LOL when it suits your needs, see i can do that too. LOL isn't even an MMO so stay on topic will you.

  Nitth

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1/25/13 11:55:29 AM#180


Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Originally posted by korent1991

Originally posted by Galadourn I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.
I've played WOW for years and the community I experienced was awful, elitist wannabe and anything but mature... Then, I got to GW2 and I'm just amazed how better the community in game is. One of the friendliest community in mmorpg world. I'm not really sure why people get this idea that P2P will get you mature crowd... So far I've experienced exactly the opposite. I think B2P with cash shop (not intrusive cash shop where it blocks you from progressing) doesn't give the players this feeling that they're getting coined where P2P model does and is outdated (atleast those sub prices which are present today) thus should be left where it belongs.
Sorry man, you lost me in a fit of giggles at GW2 having a good community. This game is actually known for it's piss poor community. Great game in it's own way, but community is not one of those ways.
Wow has the worst community in the mmo genre and it's p2p. The business model does not determine what the community will be like the game itself will shape that.
I didn't say WoW was any better, why are we comparing a game that old that we know is the preferred game of kids? It's kind of a moot point. All I was saying was that saying GW2 has a good community is like saying SWTOR had a great launch and plenty of end game content at release.
Because people are identifying a good community with a certain business model. p2p creates a more mature community etc, which is not true.
  That cant be proven either way. Ryzom for example has like 12 players and 90% is a fantastic p2p community. if you let in 200 f2p players the potential for a disastrous community escalates. The amount of people associated with the game plays a larger role.
That's beside the point, elder scrolls online isn't going to be f2p, it will either be p2p or b2p.

I thought your argument was people associating p2p with good communities are false?
Regardless, My argument could be completely relevant if Teso pulled a tsw down the line.


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