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Elder Scrolls Online Forum » General Discussion » Anybody else think it's useless to join the other two factions?

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  Sincerely

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OP  1/16/13 4:06:42 AM#1

Since we all know how Elder Scrolls Online is a prequel, and that the empire is "segregated" at this time... Doesn't that mean it's obvious the Daggerfall Covenant wins? Why would you even join the other two factions then?

 

or am I missing something here? Discuss?

  SupportPlayerMM

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1/16/13 4:08:21 AM#2
You join the other factions because you want to PvP
  Sincerely

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OP  1/16/13 4:09:05 AM#3
True, I guess...but it kinda sucks thinking lore-wise, you're faction loses...
  SupportPlayerMM

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1/16/13 4:13:13 AM#4
Maybe they'll do that Comic Book, Star Trek trend where they create completely new universes based on an event that was altered...
  Scalpless

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1/16/13 4:15:42 AM#5
It's not like people will come to your real life house and burn it down when your faction loses in a video game.
  Sincerely

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OP  1/16/13 4:15:53 AM#6

That sounds like an extremely lazy thing for the writers to do.

 

They shoud've made it so that the three factions were fighting about conquest or whatever, but something else that doesn't have an obvious ending in the current games.

  jimdandy26

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1/16/13 4:18:25 AM#7
Define "loses" exactly. A lot happens in 1000 years.

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1/16/13 10:02:35 AM#8
I don't think anyone really cares who "wins" later in the timeline since it's not really relevant to this game.

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  ShakyMo

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1/16/13 10:06:36 AM#9
Err the imperials united the continent pre Morrowind.

It's not united at the time of skyrim though, black marsh and vardenfell have seceeded
  deakon

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1/16/13 4:03:01 PM#10

Dont think  "who wins" in over 1k years will make any difference to what faction anyone picks tbh

 

The fact that the Empire loses in star wars didnt stop that faction from being by far the most popular in swtor

  Uhwop

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1/16/13 7:07:38 PM#11
Originally posted by deakon

Dont think  "who wins" in over 1k years will make any difference to what faction anyone picks tbh

 

The fact that the Empire loses in star wars didnt stop that faction from being by far the most popular in swtor

 The empire lost?  I'm assuming that happend in a novel that took place after the events of the first trilogy? 

Or are you saying that based on the movies?

  mazut

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1/17/13 5:09:00 AM#12

Guys understand that MMOs in general don't and can't follow the single player story and lore. Its not possible and don't expect anything better then the single player games. Its different game in teh same universe so apart from the locations and some "hystorical" places and facts the game couldnt be implemented in the series.

If they change the names you wont even realize its ES.

  Abrexus

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1/17/13 5:17:59 AM#13
Originally posted by Sincerely

Since we all know how Elder Scrolls Online is a prequel, and that the empire is "segregated" at this time... Doesn't that mean it's obvious the Daggerfall Covenant wins? Why would you even join the other two factions then?

 

or am I missing something here? Discuss?

Well, I see a large number of players driving German tanks in WoT even though Germany lost WW2...so yes, you're missing something here.

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  Maelwydd

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1/17/13 6:21:51 AM#14
Originally posted by mazut

Guys understand that MMOs in general don't and can't follow the single player story and lore. Its not possible and don't expect anything better then the single player games. Its different game in teh same universe so apart from the locations and some "hystorical" places and facts the game couldnt be implemented in the series.

If they change the names you wont even realize its ES.

Sorry but your entire statement is bollocks.

Story and lore is the easiest to transfer between a SPG and MMO, the only thing you probably wouldn't transfer is any personalisation. So instead of saying 'Ragehard the leet' was the chosen one who saved all Tamriel you will simply be known in the lore as 'The great Hero or Tamriel'. That way everyone that happened to have been 'that' hero isn't complaining that their character wasn't called'Ragehard'.

The difficulty is the mechanics and gameplay of of each genre requireing differing things...but story and lore, that is easy as it doesn't change between genre.

  Maelwydd

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1/17/13 6:24:09 AM#15
Originally posted by Abrexus
Originally posted by Sincerely

Since we all know how Elder Scrolls Online is a prequel, and that the empire is "segregated" at this time... Doesn't that mean it's obvious the Daggerfall Covenant wins? Why would you even join the other two factions then?

 

or am I missing something here? Discuss?

Well, I see a large number of players driving German tanks in WoT even though Germany lost WW2...so yes, you're missing something here.

Exactly.

He is missing the fact that, despite this is an MMO with a living, breathing world, it is a static themepark design where the war will continue indefinately, time will not move forward and you will eventually repeatedly retake the same keeps over and over and over.

The covenant does win but the TESO timeline will never advance to a place where you need to worry.

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1/17/13 6:26:14 AM#16

i also played sith whenever lucasarts gave me the chance.

 

chosing your faction is not always based on "win" or lose.

some people do so because they like their choice (eg, the races, look or basic statement of the faction, or just dislike the alternatives.

 

ps: i also doubt we will reach the time of the elder scrolls too soon...

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  rojoArcueid

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1/17/13 6:34:52 AM#17

if Zenimax mirror all classes in each factions (for pvp balance purposes) then theres no point in having factions. As long as each faction is different enough form each other (class performance, abilities, race lore, etc) i would roll many characters and to join all 3 factions.

If they want to mirror all classes for faction vs faction pvp then they can do it exclusively for faction vs faction pvp. Once im out of the pvp cyrodil area then i dont want mirroring classes in different factions. Too much balance / mirroring kills the diversity in every game.

  Maelwydd

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1/17/13 6:44:04 AM#18
Originally posted by rojo6934

if Zenimax mirror all classes in each factions (for pvp balance purposes) then theres no point in having factions. As long as each faction is different enough form each other (class performance, abilities, race lore, etc) i would roll many characters and to join all 3 factions.

If they want to mirror all classes for faction vs faction pvp then they can do it exclusively for faction vs faction pvp. Once im out of the pvp cyrodil area then i dont want mirroring classes in different factions. Too much balance / mirroring kills the diversity in every game.

Never seen a game caused problems by having balanced classes and mirroring. Now if you want to have problems have imbalance and pvp in the same game then you will not be able to get a word in edgeways for all the whinny pvp'ers who lose.

If there are such things as classes then the only balance I need is that 2 fighters are balanced against each other or 2 priests against each other but a priest against a fighter is unbalanced. I want same class balance but each class to have strength's and weaknesses.

Let all factions have access to all races and all classes and all skills and let the imbance lie on what skills each player brings to the table, how good they are at what they do and what kind of match up you bring to the fight.

  mazut

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1/17/13 6:46:11 AM#19
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by mazut

Guys understand that MMOs in general don't and can't follow the single player story and lore. Its not possible and don't expect anything better then the single player games. Its different game in teh same universe so apart from the locations and some "hystorical" places and facts the game couldnt be implemented in the series.

If they change the names you wont even realize its ES.

Sorry but your entire statement is bollocks.

Story and lore is the easiest to transfer between a SPG and MMO, the only thing you probably wouldn't transfer is any personalisation. So instead of saying 'Ragehard the leet' was the chosen one who saved all Tamriel you will simply be known in the lore as 'The great Hero or Tamriel'. That way everyone that happened to have been 'that' hero isn't complaining that their character wasn't called'Ragehard'.

The difficulty is the mechanics and gameplay of of each genre requireing differing things...but story and lore, that is easy as it doesn't change between genre.

You say that and yet all info so far point thet they changed so much and invented new lore just to implement (maybe not even siccessful) a MMO into the world. And there are many similar games that failed or changed almost everything... yeah easiest thing to do... sure

  SelfDestructPro

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1/17/13 6:54:36 AM#20
I don't pay any attention to lore.  When I get into a new game I pick which ever faction/race looks most interesting at the time.  I wouldn't just pick a faction because I know that according to lore, they win in the end.
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