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Elder Scrolls Online Forum » General Discussion » Please people, tell me you're not ignorant and gullible, PLEASE!

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  ShakyMo

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Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

12/17/12 3:03:12 PM#21
Only time will tell.
  Whitebeards

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Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 750

12/17/12 3:04:12 PM#22
Originally posted by Boonshniggle

Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.

If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise.

If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

Revolutionary and innovative are overused and overrated buzz words and do not guarantee success or fun. Give me a good MMO i could care less how many MMOS they have copied.

And who are you by the way? i have no reason to trust you or listen to you.

  BlueLantern

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Joined: 4/16/12
Posts: 107

12/17/12 3:05:46 PM#23
lol, take your logic and stick it where the sun don't shine! we need something to pit against Guild Wars 2! we can't very well continue to pump up sure loser games that are dropping like flies and we can't look toward futile re-releases of crappers like DF/FFXIV. we need something to fanboy on about!


  Talgen

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Joined: 9/04/02
Posts: 408

This is just my opinion and should be viewed as just that, an opinion

12/17/12 3:06:19 PM#24

By your thread title alone:

 

Don't ask me, the world is gonna end in 3.5 days anyway...

  Sovrath

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Posts: 16944

12/17/12 3:06:20 PM#25
Originally posted by Boonshniggle

If you watch interviews with the developers it is VERY clear that not one of them have actually worked on any other Elder Scrolls games...at least especially the combat designers. When they talk about the combat in ESO it sounds nothing like combat in other Elder Scrolls in any way. Like not even close....really....watch this one....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27MjH8hi1zQ

When they talk about gameplay mechanics it sounds totally foreign to any mechanics from the previous titles.

I don't think they need to have worked on an elder  scrolls game. I mean, have you? yet you can, with confidence, talk about the combat in an elder scrolls game. At least from a player perspective.

I'm sure that before they started develpoing this game that they  at least fired up one of the elder scrolls games and got an idea of the flavor.

The key here is that they are not making an elder scrolls online game. They are making an elder scrolls mmo. From everything I've read and watched they are pretty up front with this.

  FromHell

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12/17/12 3:07:26 PM#26

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  User Deleted
12/17/12 3:08:02 PM#27
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Boonshniggle

Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.

If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise.

If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

Revolutionary and innovative are overused and overrated buzz words and do not guarantee success or fun. Give me a good MMO i could care less how many MMOS they have copied.

And who are you by the way? i have no reason to trust you or listen to you.

 

His name is....<insert dramatic wild west music>...Boonshniggle

  Yamota

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Posts: 6492

"Only cunts name their swords"

12/17/12 3:10:45 PM#28
I agree with OP. Unless we MMO gamers stop buying this dumbing down and mainstreaming of awesome IPs then this garbage will continue to be released.

  WhiteLantern

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Joined: 1/27/10
Posts: 2778

12/17/12 3:10:48 PM#29
Originally posted by Psychow
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Boonshniggle

Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.

If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise.

If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

Revolutionary and innovative are overused and overrated buzz words and do not guarantee success or fun. Give me a good MMO i could care less how many MMOS they have copied.

And who are you by the way? i have no reason to trust you or listen to you.

 

His name is.......Boonshniggle

I shnickered.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Sovrath

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Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 16944

12/17/12 3:30:20 PM#30
Originally posted by Yamota
I agree with OP. Unless we MMO gamers stop buying this dumbing down and mainstreaming of awesome IPs then this garbage will continue to be released.

yeah but that assumes everyone has a problem with it but we are all "for some reason" still buying it.

I bet dollars to donuts that there are plenty of people who have no problem with buying a game, having fun in it for a small bit, not expecting the holy grail of games or seeking "NEW AND IMPROVED"  and then moving on.

  Latronus

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12/17/12 3:30:33 PM#31
Originally posted by Boonshniggle

Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.

If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise.

If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

Some will never learn and will always expect a game to be something it isn't. SWTOR is prime example of this.  Too many wanted it to be something it was never designed to be and as such were very pissed when it wasn't SWG2 or an X-Wing vs TIE Fighter MMO, oh well, it's their fault for not doing the proper research and reading between the lines to figure out for themselves.  I for one could tell right off the bat that it wasn't going to be what either of those groups wanted.  I still play the game because I still have fun playing it.  It ain't perfect but it isn't a pile of trash like those that created false hype for themselves and those like them claim it to be.

Players need to stop looking through rose colored glasses and learn to comprhend the info put out by these companies.  They are all in business for one reason, to make a profit period.  They will skew things as much as possible to draw you in without stepping over that perverbial line that would result in lawsuites.  It's your money, and in the end, its your responsibility to know what you are buying.

  Sovrath

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Joined: 1/06/05
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12/17/12 3:41:13 PM#32
Originally posted by Latronus
 

Some will never learn and will always expect a game to be something it isn't. SWTOR is prime example of this.  Too many wanted it to be something it was never designed to be and as such were very pissed when it wasn't SWG2 or an X-Wing vs TIE Fighter MMO, oh well, it's their fault for not doing the proper research and reading between the lines to figure out for themselves.  I for one could tell right off the bat that it wasn't going to be what either of those groups wanted.  I still play the game because I still have fun playing it.  It ain't perfect but it isn't a pile of trash like those that created false hype for themselves and those like them claim it to be.

Players need to stop looking through rose colored glasses and learn to comprhend the info put out by these companies.  They are all in business for one reason, to make a profit period.  They will skew things as much as possible to draw you in without stepping over that perverbial line that would result in lawsuites.  It's your money, and in the end, its your responsibility to know what you are buying.

+1 I completely agree.

  Rimmersman

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Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 911

12/17/12 3:44:04 PM#33
Originally posted by Boonshniggle

Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.

If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise.

If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

Okay.

  Wraithone

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Joined: 7/09/04
Posts: 3559

If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

12/17/12 3:44:15 PM#34
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Yamota
I agree with OP. Unless we MMO gamers stop buying this dumbing down and mainstreaming of awesome IPs then this garbage will continue to be released.

yeah but that assumes everyone has a problem with it but we are all "for some reason" still buying it.

I bet dollars to donuts that there are plenty of people who have no problem with buying a game, having fun in it for a small bit, not expecting the holy grail of games or seeking "NEW AND IMPROVED"  and then moving on.

Exactly my perspective.  I'm not looking for The One True Game(tm). It literally doesn't and will never exist.  NO actual game will ever be able to live up to peoples projections, expectations and the inevitable media hype.  

All I'm looking for these days, is a game thats entertaining.  If thats only for a month or two, then so be it.  Longer would be a bonus, but its not a requirement. 

  Vrika

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Posts: 1974

12/17/12 3:49:48 PM#35
Originally posted by Boonshniggle

...Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth....

I think it's ironic that someone can remind us to be critical and logical in one sentence, then in next sentence tells us "the truth" of an unrealeased game.

  Boonshniggle

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Posts: 48

 
OP  12/17/12 3:54:52 PM#36

Bottom line, if it was possible to really make a true Elder Scrolls experience in an MMO... Bethesda would be heading it's development. To them this is no different than allowing a third party to pay for using their name to develop an Oblivion cell phone game.

They know people will mostly buy it for the name, but even if they don't like it...Bethesda themselves won't get too much flack because they didn't develop it. Just easy money to them really, regardless of how successful it is.

No one really is gonna let the failure of this game affect them buying the next true Bethesda developed Elder Scrolls game, and they know that.

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6492

"Only cunts name their swords"

12/17/12 4:00:10 PM#37
Originally posted by Wraithone
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Yamota
I agree with OP. Unless we MMO gamers stop buying this dumbing down and mainstreaming of awesome IPs then this garbage will continue to be released.

yeah but that assumes everyone has a problem with it but we are all "for some reason" still buying it.

I bet dollars to donuts that there are plenty of people who have no problem with buying a game, having fun in it for a small bit, not expecting the holy grail of games or seeking "NEW AND IMPROVED"  and then moving on.

Exactly my perspective.  I'm not looking for The One True Game(tm). It literally doesn't and will never exist.  NO actual game will ever be able to live up to peoples projections, expectations and the inevitable media hype.  

All I'm looking for these days, is a game thats entertaining.  If thats only for a month or two, then so be it.  Longer would be a bonus, but its not a requirement. 

This is not about the One True game. This is about great IPs being butchered and dumbed down to cater to the masses.

Skyrim was an awesome game so an MMO like Skyrim would be even more awesome. However since the masses want to all be the "heroes" and be able to "finish the game" then instead of creating a Skyrim experience in an MMO setting, then they instead create some generic ThemePark, single player garbage where everyone can be a hero and now you get to pay a monthly fee for it. YAY!

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6492

"Only cunts name their swords"

12/17/12 4:04:36 PM#38
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by Boonshniggle

Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.

If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise.

If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

Some will never learn and will always expect a game to be something it isn't. SWTOR is prime example of this.  Too many wanted it to be something it was never designed to be and as such were very pissed when it wasn't SWG2 or an X-Wing vs TIE Fighter MMO, oh well, it's their fault for not doing the proper research and reading between the lines to figure out for themselves.  I for one could tell right off the bat that it wasn't going to be what either of those groups wanted.  I still play the game because I still have fun playing it.  It ain't perfect but it isn't a pile of trash like those that created false hype for themselves and those like them claim it to be.

Players need to stop looking through rose colored glasses and learn to comprhend the info put out by these companies.  They are all in business for one reason, to make a profit period.  They will skew things as much as possible to draw you in without stepping over that perverbial line that would result in lawsuites.  It's your money, and in the end, its your responsibility to know what you are buying.

It's never the customers fault. If you create something and it fails because it does not meet the expectations of the market then it is your fault as the developer and no one else.

Now if you mean it is the customers fault for buying something that they dont want then isnt this exactly what the OP is doing? Warning, those of us who dont like ThemePark garbage, to stay away from it? Yet he is at fault as well.

I guess it is everyone's fault except the bussiness, they are just here to make profit so they cant ever be at fault. 

  Sideras

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Joined: 2/13/04
Posts: 236

12/17/12 4:08:09 PM#39
The things that sound interesting about TESO is the PvP, the enemy AI and the combat system. But I'll stay cautiously hyped :P
  Arglebargle

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Joined: 6/13/07
Posts: 1047

12/17/12 4:09:56 PM#40

Failure in concept, OP.  This is looking like DAoC fitted into an Elder Scrolls skin.   You know, that game that many extoll as having the best mix of pve and realm vs realm pvp conflict?

 

It's not going to be like the Single Player game.  Granted.  But that goes with the territory of being an online game with a lot of other folks running around as well.  Technical and mechanical limitations.  Etc/

 

Anyway, it is all abstraction.  Punching buttons and waggling your mouse around are not exact substitutes for real swordplay.  Nothing is.

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

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