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  TheHoneyBadger

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OP  12/11/12 7:39:49 AM#1

But this is not an MMO-Elder Scrolls style, rather this is Elder Scrolls-MMO style.  If you think that because you can't pickpocket players, own/build houses, get married and have level restricted gear/instances and you shudder at the thought of PvP = THIS IS NOT THE GAME FOR YOU.  But don't you worry; TESVI will make all of your singler player fantasies come true I'm sure.  And you can get back to being the richest, most OP character on the continent of Tamriel.

 

I also challenge that the implementation of classes does not tarnish TES series. **Please keep reading**  When Skyrim came out I remember all of the hype regarding what "style" players were going to try ie. Spellsword, Barbarian, Wizzard, Thief, Archer, Battle Mage etc...  I'm also fairly certain that Oblivion had a "Book of Classes" to reference for character creation.  Additionally, you should already know how you want to play ie. Heavy armor dual wielder or Light armor control healer or whatever.  The class system just gives you basic fundamental outlines and a general guideline(s) for character progression.  Are you ready for the best part? ----- If you don't like the way your character is working out, JUST MAKE A NEW ONE, like you would (and have) done in all of the other Elder Scrolls games.

 

So sorry but this is not Skyrim part 2

  MyTabbycat

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Joined: 8/19/12
Posts: 300

12/11/12 7:48:01 AM#2

I remember when Oblivion came out, people complained it was not like Morrowind. Eventually it grew into its own game as people began to fall in love with it. There are even people who complain Skyrim isn't like Morrowind was.

Eventually people will fall in love with TESO for the kind of game that it is instead of wishing it was more like its single player cousins.

  DMKano

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12/11/12 7:49:19 AM#3

So the honey badger cares? :)

I am gonna give this one another year as the game is far from release, at this point anything could change, so not even gonna get invested into the game til open beta rolls around whenever that happens.

  ShakyMo

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12/11/12 7:52:02 AM#4
Oblivion is a worse game than Morrowind
  apocoluster

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\m/,

12/11/12 7:52:47 AM#5
Originally posted by DMKano

So the honey badger cares? :)

I am gonna give this one another year as the game is far from release, at this point anything could change, so not even gonna get invested into the game til open beta rolls around whenever that happens.

lolwut !?!    logic on these forums?

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  TheHoneyBadger

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OP  12/11/12 7:54:40 AM#6
People say I don't care, but I do.
  Vesavius

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Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

12/11/12 8:00:03 AM#7
Originally posted by TheHoneyBadger

So sorry but this is not Skyrim part 2

 

Yeah, and that's a shame, because all I really wanted is a game that stitched all the continents from TES together, included all the features from those games, stripped off the main quest lines, and let me go at it with my friends.

I won't knock TESO for being what it is, but I will say it isn't what I want out of a MMORPG right now... not least the inclusion of PvP, which is never what I went to a TES game for.

Saying all this the truth is that Zen have made a rod for their own backs. You use a popular brand and you inherit a whole slew of expectations and opinion on what you are doing. If they truly didn't want people to expect 'Skyrim pt.2' then they should maybe have used a new IP to make their game under.

  Lawlmonster

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Take my advice, I'm not using it anyway.

12/11/12 8:02:31 AM#8
Originally posted by TheHoneyBadger

So sorry but this is not Skyrim part 2

So sorry, but it should have been.

"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)

  karmath

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Posts: 841

12/11/12 8:15:16 AM#9
The point you are missing OP is the fact that the IP is known for a specific kind of openworld gameplay, if you take that away you have just another fantasy IP and alienating your core fanbase to boot.
  Normike

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Joined: 6/24/07
Posts: 440

12/11/12 8:18:01 AM#10

Huge part of what makes an Elder Scrolls game for me is the massive amount of items that decorate the world that can be picked up and moved around or taken. I don't know how they are going to do that in an MMO. And I don't know if it will feel like Elder Scrolls to me without that.

 

Can I take something out of my inventory and put it on a table? Can I pick up the bowl of fruit on the table? That was the trade-off with going from Daggerfall, to Morrowind, to Oblivion. The worlds got smaller, the number of skills decreased, but 3d world became more visually detailed and interactive. I hope they can pull that off in an MMO.

  DeniZg

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12/11/12 8:50:04 AM#11
Originally posted by Normike

Huge part of what makes an Elder Scrolls game for me is the massive amount of items that decorate the world that can be picked up and moved around or taken. I don't know how they are going to do that in an MMO. And I don't know if it will feel like Elder Scrolls to me without that.

 

Can I take something out of my inventory and put it on a table? Can I pick up the bowl of fruit on the table? That was the trade-off with going from Daggerfall, to Morrowind, to Oblivion. The worlds got smaller, the number of skills decreased, but 3d world became more visually detailed and interactive. I hope they can pull that off in an MMO.

Elder Scrolls series is a lot of things to a lot of people.

To Normike it's about bowls and furniture, to me it's about stumbling upon hidden caves in open world, to somebody else it's about killing NPCs in local towns and stealing stuff.

Each of us has an idea what feature TES should not leave out and our opinions greatly differ. It's up to developers to pick what's most important and leave out the not so important features

Obviously we can not expect to have copy-pasted Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion and skyrim combined with 3 faction PVP, warzones, raids and dungeons.

As long as Zenimax delivers quality in features they implement, it shouldn't turn out as yet another failed MMO.

  TheHoneyBadger

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Joined: 12/10/12
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OP  12/11/12 8:51:57 AM#12

How is this so called "specific open world gameplay" not going to be implemented?

 

TBH the point I was making was for all of the purists saying ESO will be a flop because it is not exactly like Skyrim and the like.

  Zeeraha

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Joined: 12/07/12
Posts: 63

12/11/12 9:21:42 AM#13
Originally posted by TheHoneyBadger

How is this so called "specific open world gameplay" not going to be implemented?

 

TBH the point I was making was for all of the purists saying ESO will be a flop because it is not exactly like Skyrim and the like.

Problem is with ESO that with current announcements it does not even resemble TES to me.

  lizardbones

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Joined: 6/11/08
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I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

12/11/12 9:29:39 AM#14


Originally posted by Lawlmonster

Originally posted by TheHoneyBadger So sorry but this is not Skyrim part 2
So sorry, but it should have been.



It wouldn't really have worked. The types of things that work really well in a single player game work really well because it's a single player game. For one, renting or buying houses that aren't instanced turns into a real mess when you get a couple hundred or couple thousand people in the same area.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Lord.Bachus

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I believe in life before death... So dont forget to enjoy it while you still can.

12/11/12 9:34:15 AM#15
Originally posted by TheHoneyBadger

But this is not an MMO-Elder Scrolls style, rather this is Elder Scrolls-MMO style.  If you think that because you can't pickpocket players, own/build houses, get married and have level restricted gear/instances and you shudder at the thought of PvP = THIS IS NOT THE GAME FOR YOU.  But don't you worry; TESVI will make all of your singler player fantasies come true I'm sure.  And you can get back to being the richest, most OP character on the continent of Tamriel.

 

I also challenge that the implementation of classes does not tarnish TES series. **Please keep reading**  When Skyrim came out I remember all of the hype regarding what "style" players were going to try ie. Spellsword, Barbarian, Wizzard, Thief, Archer, Battle Mage etc...  I'm also fairly certain that Oblivion had a "Book of Classes" to reference for character creation.  Additionally, you should already know how you want to play ie. Heavy armor dual wielder or Light armor control healer or whatever.  The class system just gives you basic fundamental outlines and a general guideline(s) for character progression.  Are you ready for the best part? ----- If you don't like the way your character is working out, JUST MAKE A NEW ONE, like you would (and have) done in all of the other Elder Scrolls games.

 

So sorry but this is not Skyrim part 2

I have been wayting for an MMO with skilltrees for ages, i had high hopes for this title, but again, no... it will not happen...

 

Classes are a cheep choice... compared to the freedom  of character development that skilltree specialisation offers.

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations)
Currently playing : The Elder Scrolls Online and Wildstar

  Rimmersman

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12/11/12 9:36:31 AM#16
Simple solution is if certain people don't like it then don't play it, the game will get along fine without those people. Funny thing is the people complaining will play the game and give some pathetic excuse on why they have changed their minds. I don't like GW2 but the game runs along fine without out me.

  karmath

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Joined: 8/24/05
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12/11/12 9:40:43 AM#17
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Lawlmonster

Originally posted by TheHoneyBadger So sorry but this is not Skyrim part 2
So sorry, but it should have been.


It wouldn't really have worked. The types of things that work really well in a single player game work really well because it's a single player game. For one, renting or buying houses that aren't instanced turns into a real mess when you get a couple hundred or couple thousand people in the same area.

 

Not if you specificly design the world layout to accomodate for it. Of course what your saying is very true in the clonepark design, which sadly is the root of the problem with TES:O.

  ragz45

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12/11/12 9:46:57 AM#18
Originally posted by TheHoneyBadger

  But don't you worry; TESVI will make all of your singler player fantasies come true I'm sure.  And you can get back to being the richest, most OP character on the continent of Tamriel.

 

This is assuming they continue to make single player TES games.  There have been a few very popular single player games that turned MMO, and the studio stoped producing the single player franchise after.

KoTR - SWToR comes immediately to mind.

  Lawlmonster

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Take my advice, I'm not using it anyway.

12/11/12 9:51:11 AM#19
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Lawlmonster

Originally posted by TheHoneyBadger So sorry but this is not Skyrim part 2
So sorry, but it should have been.


It wouldn't really have worked. The types of things that work really well in a single player game work really well because it's a single player game. For one, renting or buying houses that aren't instanced turns into a real mess when you get a couple hundred or couple thousand people in the same area.

 

I don't have any factual evidence to prove either side of the argument, but saying "it wouldn't really have worked" without trying to first design the world into final product is about as lazy and incompetent as it gets. We hear it alot in this genre. The technology exists to do amazing things in online worlds, and as someone has already pointed out, creating their mechanics and systems with elements akin to Elder Scrolls game from the beginning probably wouldn't be a step in the wrong direction. As for housing in particular? Other MMO's have been doing it just fine for years. It might not work perfectly, and in some situations they've turned maps into clutter, but I'd rather features like this be available in a game that comes from a series that's promoted this type of play from its inception, than not.

 

So, no, "it doesn't really work" isn't a good enough excuse. If someone used that line and justified it every time the human race was met with hardship or inability to solve a problem, we'd probably still be living in fucking caves and using animal blood for wall paint.

"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)

  st4t1ck

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Joined: 7/24/10
Posts: 562

12/11/12 9:51:52 AM#20
Originally posted by Zeeraha
Originally posted by TheHoneyBadger

How is this so called "specific open world gameplay" not going to be implemented?

 

TBH the point I was making was for all of the purists saying ESO will be a flop because it is not exactly like Skyrim and the like.

Problem is with ESO that with current announcements it does not even resemble TES to me.

I'm not saying there isnt one, but could you tell me an Ip full of single player games that went into the mmo realm and resembled there counterpart?

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