Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

As long as they are developing a game with gameplay along the lines of |Elder scrolls they can do what they like as far as I am concerned.

As long as they don't pander for minorities and actually develop an MMO and not an arena game in the guise of all will be fine.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Its not Bethesda.

Bethesda is not involved in any shape or form with TESO.

Wrong

Bethesda is a subsidiary company of Zenimax Online.

They are "consulting" on the game lore aspect

Originally posted by AdamTM

No? So why the speciall pleading for MMORPGs? Why is it ok there to diametrally change the rules on which the franchise runs? MMORPGs are not a different genre, they are the same genre as RPGs, just with more people.

This is so true but many hate to admit it.....

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by AdamTM

Its not Bethesda.

Bethesda is not involved in any shape or form with TESO.

Wrong

Bethesda is a subsidiary company of Zenimax Online.

They are "consulting" on the game lore aspect

TESO is not DEVELOPED by Bethesda

Is that specific enough now?

And its not "Bethesdas first MMO" which i quoted in my response, if you wouldn't have selectively quoted me, this would be clear to everyone that can read.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by AdamTM

Its not Bethesda.

Bethesda is not involved in any shape or form with TESO.

Wrong

Bethesda is a subsidiary company of Zenimax Online.

They are "consulting" on the game lore aspect

TESO is not DEVELOPED by Bethesda

Is that specific enough now?

Semantics

They are involved. They still have thier fingers in the pie and Im am sure have some creative input

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by AdamTM

Its not Bethesda.

Bethesda is not involved in any shape or form with TESO.

Wrong

Bethesda is a subsidiary company of Zenimax Online.

They are "consulting" on the game lore aspect

TESO is not DEVELOPED by Bethesda

Is that specific enough now?

Semantics

They are involved. They still have thier fingers in the pie and Im am sure have some creative input

Please, i responed specifically to what i highlighted:

"Bethesdas first MMO"

Its not "Bethesdas first MMO", stop selectively quoting me out of context.

Honestly? Will be like the other MMOs released lately, will make a ton of cash to the developers, will lose some players later, will remain there with probably enough players so they do enough cash to keep it up and profit well from it. *Shrugs*

Who like TES singleplayer will hate it to death, who don't care about TES single player will probably try it if they can provide the PvP they promised.

I am usually the silent part of the gamers, rarely i post on forums i mean.. look my post count.. i posted more on TESO then in years...

But is how it works , i think is impossible to deny, it will make a lot of cash at start  and probably enough to keep it profitable.

I hope they continue to develope TES single player and.. eh peace, they said will be mostly like any other MMO around, third person , hotbar and all that jazz, no amount of blue faces is going to change that, not that i like it but i guess, the next time i have 100 million dollars to spend i'll try to found a TES project how i like it...

Originally posted by PyrateLV

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Semantics

They are involved. They still have thier fingers in the pie and Im am sure have some creative input

IF people actually read the info avaiable there would be no guess work here, they said plainly that Todd Howard is overseeing this aspect of the game.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by PyrateLV

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Semantics

They are involved. They still have thier fingers in the pie and Im am sure have some creative input

IF people actually read the info avaiable there would be no guess work here, they said plainly that Todd Howard is overseeing this aspect of the game.

If we are going by the info available it says he is overseeing Lore and Geography and nothing more. So... they are pretty much being used as consultants and only on those 2 aspects. So yes... they are involved, whether you find this involvment significant is up to you.

I mean thats like saying the Military developed or helped develop the CoD series because Hank Keirsey was the military advisor for many of the CoD games.

What they needed was a co-op mode for skyrim.

What we are going to get is a WoW clone.  Or at least that is what the head exec's probably ordered...  Lets hope that someone down the line has the senses to make a unique quality game and the sneakiness to get that past the CEOs and $$-eyed board members.

Originally posted by wormywyrm

What they needed was a co-op mode for skyrim.

What we are going to get is a WoW clone.  Or at least that is what the head exec's probably ordered...  Lets hope that someone down the line has the senses to make a unique quality game and the sneakiness to get that past the CEOs and $$-eyed board members.

Hopefully will it be closer to DaoC.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by PyrateLV

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Semantics

They are involved. They still have thier fingers in the pie and Im am sure have some creative input

IF people actually read the info avaiable there would be no guess work here, they said plainly that Todd Howard is overseeing this aspect of the game.

If we are going by the info available it says he is overseeing Lore and Geography and nothing more. So... they are pretty much being used as consultants and only on those 2 aspects. So yes... they are involved, whether you find this involvment significant is up to you.

I mean thats like saying the Military developed or helped develop the CoD series because Hank Keirsey was the military advisor for many of the CoD games.

I actually hit the wrong quote, meant to reply to this post by pyrate.

"They are "consulting" on the game lore aspect"

Originally posted by Gdemami

You gotta love loud minorities...

 

There's that term again.

Don't worry, I won't say I told you so when ESO sinks along with <GAAAAASP>:

The Old Republic

Warhammer Online

APB

Age of Conan 

Vanguard  

Final Fantasy XIV

Star Trek Online 

Asheron's Call

And every other "WoW-killer" or MMO that was forced to go F2P to save itself from sinking.

I would definitely play an Elder Scrolls MMO.

I will not play a generic MMORPG no matter how many words are different from other generic MMORPGS 's words for stories and lore.

"Typical mmorpg" this, "can't change mmorpg formula" that, all bullshit. I am definitely done with MMORPG's with the way things are (not) developing, the only entertainment they give come from their accompanying forums.

TES died with Oblivion. Skyrim was ok but ultimately shallow when you got through the gloss. Dumbed down console-friendly mechanics, invisible walls, cliche storyline.

While it's impossible to say how the MMO will be recieved by the market, expect another safe mainstream title. Throw lore out the window, an MMO will always butcher it.

It doesn't sound too good.

But this might be a sleeper hit.

The next Dark Age Of Camelot.

(GW2 is bound to fail in regards of RvR)

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

The next Dark Age Of Camelot.

Spouting gibberish.

You people are dumb.  Every game is the next DAoC according to you people...

Stop pinning for the past you make yourself sound retarded.

The game will be the next Elder Scrolls, no more, no less.

Originally posted by Ikeda

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

The next Dark Age Of Camelot.

Spouting gibberish.

You people are dumb.  Every game is the next DAoC according to you people...

Stop pinning for the past you make yourself sound retarded.

The game will be the next Elder Scrolls, no more, no less.

actually more like a F8ck ton less.

They took an old broken down ford focus, stole a mercedes emblem from down the street slapped it on the focus.

Originally posted by Bigdavo

TES died with Oblivion. Skyrim was ok but ultimately shallow when you got through the gloss. Dumbed down console-friendly mechanics, invisible walls, cliche storyline.

While it's impossible to say how the MMO will be recieved by the market, expect another safe mainstream title. Throw lore out the window, an MMO will always butcher it.

I agree.  The elderscrolls games have been deviating from its freedom of choice roots since Oblivion (IMO).  Im not sure if this is more noticable because im an oldschool elderscrolls fan who has been playing these games since their inception. Regardless this decline in player choices, simplifying of classes and skills and the overall omission of some very unique features is not a new movement with this IP in particular. 

With this in mind, the direction that the ESO appears to be taking doesn't really come as that huge of a letdown for me. I have seen this decline in the works for a while. It is just an admission that developer focus has shifted over the years and for me, not in a positive way.

Originally posted by Bigdavo

TES died with Oblivion. Skyrim was ok but ultimately shallow when you got through the gloss. Dumbed down console-friendly mechanics, invisible walls, cliche storyline.

While it's impossible to say how the MMO will be recieved by the market, expect another safe mainstream title. Throw lore out the window, an MMO will always butcher it.

Did you prefer the hit and block dice rolls of Morrowind?  Oblivion changed that for the better, IMO.  No the combat still isn't great, but its better than Morrowind, IMO.  Skyrim improved on that a bit, but still has a long ways to go.  And lastly, while Skyrim has its share of criticisms, I'm not sure invisible walls is one of them.  Sure there might be a few here and there, or at the boundaries of the game, but Skyrim can not reasonable be criticized for that at all.  Now Amalur Reckoning; THERE's a game with invisible walls...