Swtor didt do the engine any favor, i know i wont buy another hero engine game. It might be the people and not the engine, but i wont take anyones word for it until a game is out and tested by consumers.

Originally posted by Darkcrystal

HAHAHAHA, you think Hero engine is bad, really??? When is the last time you worked with it!! This made me LOL, you think because the graphics was dumbed down by bioware thats thats what every game looks like, well guess what get your facts right before you comment because you look plain stupid.

 

SWTOR  did that on purpose because they wanted all there fans to be able to play there game something they said since day 1 of making the game, by the way I was an beta tester eariler on....  I been working with game engines for nealry 20 years and Hero engine is very good engine to work with , I find this to be funny!!

 

Some people have no idea whta there saying, priceless..

 

 

people love to bash the Unreal engine to but look 60% of the industry uses it, but thats a bad engine to people claim.. The issue is to many gamers claim certain engines are bad, because  some company use them poorly does not make it so, some companys have no idea how to use any engine properly...

 

But some are very good at using the engine properly... So to say this is funny stuff... I have used Hero, I have used Unreal, and I like them both sure they have issues they all do, but SWTOR is not a example of what Hero can do , so get your facts straight and try making a game with each engine then come back, and talk, until then, go back under that hole you came out of it.

 

What a joke

The hero engine is great for amateurs (like yourself) and little indie companies. But its not meant for professionals or an AAA MMO period. Atleast not a AAA MMO that has any hopes of being an MMO that lasts longer than 90 days.

Hero engine was red flag  #1 that this MMO is just another cash in on a popular franchise title. The few game details out of GI is red flag #2 that this is another money grab attempt. As long as the GI leak is not some form of a curel joke, which i doubt it is because the hero engine supports that type of pathetic game play quite nicely. This game is nothing more than another MMO cashing in on a popular IP.  Theres nothing that points to any other conclusion. Cutting cost & cutting corners does not equate to a good mmo.

Originally posted by Saerain

Originally posted by castamir11

I looked up the Hero Engine wiki.  It says that the released games using this engine are Faxion Online and SWTOR.  How's that for a track record?

50% is great for a sample size of two.

I'm pretty sure that something like 95% of us don't know what Faxion Online is.  But everybody knows about SWTOR.  And everybody knows SWTOR got ample development time and crazy, crazy amounts of money to do the job.

And we all know what the end result is.

So, yes, only 2 titles have used the Hero Engine.  But consider that nobody knows WTH Faxion Online is, and... well... that "other sample" by SWTOR is a very monumental headstone for the Hero Engine.

Also consider that it seems SWTOR and TESO began development at roughly the same years, say 2006-2007.

Couple facts:

Yes both companies started their games around the same time.

What we know:  Bioware heavily modded the engine and almost immediately stopped updating it from the developer.  Bioware's game played like crap when there were a lot of people on the screen.  This may or MAY NOT have anything to do with the Hero Engine and may have everything to do with how Bioware coded their game.

What we don't know:  Did ZOS keep their Hero Engine license up to date?  Does ZOS have smarter coders than Bioware?

My thoughts:

ZOS planned their game around an endgame involving hundreds of players battling for the emperial throne.  ZOS has smart (seriously 1 confirmed genius) coders in charge of their PVP - if the engine wasn't performing well, the would have scrapped it YEARS ago.

Have a little faith and wait til you see some gameplay footage before you nerdrage out and boycott the game for this reason.

Originally posted by Rophez   ZOS has smart (seriously 1 confirmed genius) coders in charge of their PVP
 

Who is this "genius" you speak of?

Firor? Hardly. He's worked on 1 major MMO (DAOC) and he was in charge of its crappy expansion (ToA). yeah, great genius in that.

What else has he done after Mythic? Oh, he created a Game Consulting firm?

Ultra Mega Games? LOL! Sounds like something Eric Cartman would think of

I wonder what games he "consulted" on?

How much of a 'smart genius" are you if when you annonce your intentions to make another MMO, you start off with trying to copy the "Mainstream"?

Enjoy leveling up your Scrolls in PvE so you can effectively PvP

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Rophez   ZOS has smart (seriously 1 confirmed genius) coders in charge of their PVP
 

Who is this "genius" you speak of?

Firor? Hardly. He's worked on 1 major MMO (DAOC) and he was in charge of its crappy expansion (ToA). yeah, great genius in that.

What else has he done after Mythic? Oh, he created a Game Consulting firm?

Ultra Mega Games? LOL! Sounds like something Eric Cartman would think of

I wonder what games he "consulted" on?

 

How much of a 'smart genius" are you if when you annonce your intentions to make another MMO, you start off with trying to copy the "Mainstream"?

 

Enjoy leveling up your Scrolls in PvE so you can effectively PvP

You really don't know what you are talking about.  Firor was a designer up to TOA, but on TOA he only took a producer credit.  Nice try, though.

Actually I was talking about Brian Axelson  - he's the kid, yes kid, who designed the style and combat system for DAOC.  That's right - the system that had interrupts, style chains, reactionaries, and positionals that no other game since has come up with anything nearly so smooth, visceral and rewarding.  The system was way ahead of its time.

Anyway, I'm 90% sure Firor stole him from Mythic and brought him over to ZOS with him.

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

I said yesterday that no matter how terrible the game looked i would play simply for being an Elder Scrolls game. That was before I found out that the game was running on the Hero Engine, the same terrible engine that TOR is running on. I dont know who in their right mind decided that the hero engine was gods gift to MMO's but its just aweful. Its one of those typical all fluff and no substance engines and its defiently one of the main reasons TOR failed and will be another reason why ESO fails. 

 

Seriously this is one of the worst things that could have ever happened to ESO, and it just shows that even bethesda can fall victim to some sly marketing by a poor engine development company that couldnt even realease their OWN mmo with the damn engine. Seriously what are all these people thinking? Couldnt they just make their own in house engine? It all goes down to greed I guess, but the with HERO engine being so expensive to purchase and use is it really worth it in the end for these companys?

 

Thank Talos (SADFACE) for Guild Wars 2...

There are way too many gamers that are misinformaed about the use of the Hero engine in SWTOR. People really need to do some research before jumping to conclusions.

The reason is that if any one of you read the interviews with BW about the Hero engine, you will see that BW basically gutted it from day one and the engine they currently use is nothing like the true engine. The problems SWTOR has is the fault of BW and BW alone. 

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

I said yesterday that no matter how terrible the game looked i would play simply for being an Elder Scrolls game. That was before I found out that the game was running on the Hero Engine, the same terrible engine that TOR is running on. I dont know who in their right mind decided that the hero engine was gods gift to MMO's but its just aweful. Its one of those typical all fluff and no substance engines and its defiently one of the main reasons TOR failed and will be another reason why ESO fails. 

 

Seriously this is one of the worst things that could have ever happened to ESO, and it just shows that even bethesda can fall victim to some sly marketing by a poor engine development company that couldnt even realease their OWN mmo with the damn engine. Seriously what are all these people thinking? Couldnt they just make their own in house engine? It all goes down to greed I guess, but the with HERO engine being so expensive to purchase and use is it really worth it in the end for these companys?

 

Thank Talos (SADFACE) for Guild Wars 2...

I dont know what engine is the best but i really was hoping that TES online had nothing like TOR

Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by NaughtyP

I would wager there are probably less than 10 people on these boards that are qualified to say which game engines are truly good or bad. Everyone else (myself included) is an armchair developer and can only guess...

My experiences with the games that use that engine are all the evidence I need to know I don't care for it.  I don't need to be a developer to know that any more than I need to be an artist to appreciate art.  What an arrogant statement to make.

Well if you take that stance then why not do some proper research and considering only the bastardised engine in SWTOR,and Faxion have really fully launched with the engine then do this go to the Repopulation website find the thread  regarding Hero or join the community.

The devs here use the proper engine and  work with Idea Fabriik  and will no doubt answer and give relevant information to any questions,and if you think this is a themepark game prepare for a suprise the successor to SWG-pre NGE is on it's way  all because of the versatillty of the Hero Engine.

Originally posted by castamir11

Dear God, say it ain't so.  Don't they see what limitations this engine has shown in SWTOR?  The magic of TES is the exploration...You can't have some generic themepark setting for TESO.

I believe Hero that SWTOR was running was a uncompleted version, from what I heard. And Bioware had other add ons built on top of the engine.

the current engine is updated.

HERO engine = this game will blow.

Maybe it's all part of the 'lowering of expectations.'

Originally posted by dubyahite
You lost me at TOR.

Im sorry I even had to mentioned that god aweful game! Its such a shame the ESO devs had to make such a poor descion and make the game so similar to it... The engine seems like it could be a bit more felxable but again the graphic style and UI look the same for every game released with it, and that alone is enough for me to hate the engine and ESO. Everything else is just adding moon sugar to the shitstorm.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Vhaln

Well, then I guess you could say we're in agreement, that neither of us know for sure.  I just have some doubts about it.  Sure, it might have been all Bioware's fault, but that just seems unlikely to me.

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We are not in agreement.

You claim something you cannot even remotely back up, I don't. Burden of proof is on your shoulders.

Hah, sorry for misunderstanding you then.  I'm not really interested in proving anything, so much as just exchanging opinions.  I don't really get this whole 'forum pvp' thing people keeping going on about, but have fun with that 

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Originally posted by Vhaln

Hah, sorry for misunderstanding you then.  I'm not really interested in proving anything, so much as just exchanging opinions.  I don't really get this whole 'forum pvp' thing people keeping going on about, but have fun with that 

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Forum PVP? Dunno, but I always assumed when 2 adults are discussing a topic, they are capable to provide reasoning to support their opinions...

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by castamir11

Dear God, say it ain't so.  Don't they see what limitations this engine has shown in SWTOR?  The magic of TES is the exploration...You can't have some generic themepark setting for TESO.

I believe Hero that SWTOR was running was a uncompleted version, from what I heard. And Bioware had other add ons built on top of the engine.

 

the current engine is updated.

Same engine, same visuals. Definitely TESO needs different technology and artstyle.

hero engine runs like crap thats fo sho

Screenshots tell that ain't Elder Scroll game it more resembles SWTOR and thats not good at all.

Well thats me out, never touching that piece of trash engine again!

Originally posted by revy66

The ignorance of some posters...the Pathfinder devs have already said that the build Swtor uses is VERY outdated and they even purchased the engine when it was in a very early stage and not even publicly for sale at the time. But I guess one example is enough to write it off for some people..

Give Zenimax started development in 2007, this is different how?