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Elder Scrolls Online Forum » General Discussion » Bots ruining game for everyone Zenimax just don't get it

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  CrazKanuk

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Joined: 10/06/09
Posts: 936

5/08/14 12:24:05 PM#21
Originally posted by Astro6

Now they are nerfing loot to stop bots farming well that impacts players as well i have played for days without getting any loot worth using or selling my provisioner is not seeing any recipes above vr1 drop.

Correction, NOBODY likes a boss camper. Whether it be a bot or an actual human being. So the nerf is a great change for botters and campers alike. 

Crazkanuk

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  elitero

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5/08/14 12:30:12 PM#22
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Tyroz

Really don't understand why you're all getting your panties in a bunch. The game obviously does have bots/hacks. I admit I don't see many, just the odd one. Granted I've not gotten far into the game yet, so these are the newbie areas I'm talking about but I have seen a few Supermen flying about.

I was actually expecting to see many bots in the public dungeons though and from what I can tell, I've yet to see any. Just the occasional harvesters/grinding locusts. I love the fact that it doesn't seem all that bad, but the fact of watching someone flying about my screen makes me feel that it can be used to exploit in PvP and the likes... so this is why I feel discouraged.

I don't hate the game, I actually think it's pretty awesome so far. In case you feel the need to call me a hater. 

 

So... the new internet term for calling bullshit is "panties in a bunch"? lol... and shouldn't that be "...in a knot"?

I guess so.  Posted Yesterday

  lizardbones

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5/08/14 12:36:09 PM#23
Originally posted by Darwa
Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Darwa
Originally posted by Reklaw
Originally posted by Astro6

Sure they are not in public dungeons anymore but now they camp areas of high mob concentrations and they are now doing quests most bots now are invisible to players so you won't be able to report them.

i have seen quest areas where 50 bots with names random letters show up at quest givers and fly through walls, roofs at super speeds. 

I am sure seeing that moment with 50 bots you definitly made some screenshots? Care to share?

Reklaw, Astro6 clearly stated that "most bots now are invisible to players" so a screenshot wouldn't work 

 

If Astro6 can see them on screen, even if it's just their name tags, then a screen shot should work.  A video capture of resource nodes disappearing would work too.  Anything Astro6 can see can be captured.

 

Yes, if Astro6 can see these invisible bots, then they can indeed be captured in a screenshot.

[mod edit]

 

Somebody might have thought you were serious.

 

**

 

It's been a long day, and reading my post near the end of it I realize it may not make sense, or come off as upset.

 

What I meant to say is that somebody might not have gotten the connection between "I can see them" and "They are invisible".  Not to mention the other stuff.  Rather than try and throw verbal stones at the person, I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, that maybe they were seeing side effects rather than direct evidence and that whatever they were seeing, direct evidence or not could be seen, and thus recorded.

 

My last comment would have been much better written as, "There are people who might have read your sarcasm and taken you seriously because sometimes sarcasm is hard to read.  I have assumed people are being sarcastic in the past and it turns out I was wrong, much to my amusement and regret."

 

This is what I get for having a long day, and posting on the internet at the same time.

 

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  eyelolled

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5/08/14 12:59:24 PM#24

I don't want to point the finger at anyone (mainly because I'm using it to keep my panties unbunched) but only hackers can see invisible bots. They use hack-ray vision which allows them to see into the computer game like it was the matrix. It's pretty awesome really.

I've never seen it myself but I know a guy. 

He hacks. 

People know his hacker alias.

His apartment smells of fresh solder.

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  cronius77

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Posts: 1300

5/08/14 1:22:04 PM#25

I do not know about the keygen thing but there is def bots warping around the screen and through walls. A couple of buddies and myself train pull mobs towards them in packs get them turned around and let the npcs kill them off. We've done this a number of times to different bots which are usually in sets of 3s. Anyways they will die and warp around the screen about 5 times then magically appear back to life without a ghost just instantly. We managed to kill a set of three all at once using a npc train of mobs and all three disappeared a sec then speed warped back into play from the side of a mountain coming back to life instantly. 

Zen needs to get this garbage under control though its only a matter of time before these tools become available to players and ruin pvp just like warhammer and so many players using war buddy. The last thing this game needs is some moronic trolls warping around the map ninja taken keeps and elder scrolls. The farming is bad enough but if they ruin end game pvp this game is dead and Im an avid supporter.

  keithian

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5/08/14 3:15:43 PM#26
I know this is a huge problem, but it is definitely heading in the right direction. Everything they have stated recently expresses this is a primary focus. OP, how do you know what they are working on in the background and at their Technology/Infrastructure/Security meetings. Are you taking meeting minutes for them? Anyway, though I've seen in the past videos and screen shots of the problem, I myself haven't seen anything recently.

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  Mtibbs1989

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5/08/14 3:23:23 PM#27
Originally posted by Scot

Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No! It's Superbot!

Faster than a speeding bullet, he is invisible to the human eye! Stronger than a locomotive, he can break through walls and leap tall buildings in a single bound!

He can only be stopped by his superhero weakness, 'credible evidence'. Fortunately for Superbot this is a rare element among MMO players so he has nothing to stop his heroic xploits.

 

Oh that put a smile on my face, +1.


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  JDis25

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5/08/14 8:55:54 PM#28
Am I the only one who hasn't given all but a few minor fucks about botting?
  damond5031

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5/09/14 5:46:23 PM#29
The amount of botting going on must be massive. PA has gold listed at 100k for 16.50 us dollars. You can get almost any item in the game for 10 bucks or less and  a level 50 toon costs around 50 bucks....which is strange since the box costs more than that. I hope they get things straightened out by the time this hits consoles. I would like it even better if they would have a console only dedicated server so that we wont be affected by all the craziness that has happened thus far.
  Bad.dog

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5/09/14 5:59:00 PM#30
Originally posted by damond5031
The amount of botting going on must be massive. PA has gold listed at 100k for 16.50 us dollars. You can get almost any item in the game for 10 bucks or less and  a level 50 toon costs around 50 bucks....which is strange since the box costs more than that. I hope they get things straightened out by the time this hits consoles. I would like it even better if they would have a console only dedicated server so that we wont be affected by all the craziness that has happened thus far.

That's the way it is ....console and pc don't mix

  bartoni33

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5/09/14 6:03:06 PM#31
Originally posted by JDis25
Am I the only one who hasn't given all but a few minor fucks about botting?

Trust me you are not the only one.

Although I haven't had a minor fuck in a few years now.

All kidding aside, I have only been in one dungeon where the Botters were so bad I had a problem getting a hit in for a completion. That was in the second AD zone. I will admit I would stick around in a dungeon and kill a Boss a few times (well actually five times total each boss) for the full Soul Gems they dropped. I'm glad I did now. I have around 50 full Soul Gems to use for my weapons. I don't have to waste a slot for the Soul Trap spell.

  Skooma2

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5/09/14 6:03:59 PM#32
They can do with bosses what LotRO does with Skirmish Raids:  You can only get loot from a particular boss once per week.  Bye-bye bots.

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  Loke666

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5/09/14 6:04:17 PM#33
Originally posted by Astro6

Sure Zenimax is banning bots by the thousands but is it putting a dent in it NO why well they still can't figure out how they are getting back in the game so fast.

I had a chat with one of the bot runners one day turns out they don't pay for the game they use a keygen unless Zenimax changes the way to verify key they could ban a billion bots and it would not stop them.

Now they are nerfing loot to stop bots farming well that impacts players as well i have played for days without getting any loot worth using or selling my provisioner is not seeing any recipes above vr1 drop.

Hacking is still rampant as every i see players flying around,speed hackers without a way to protect variables from being changed by external programs this game will fail, i don't think i will continue to sub for this game.

Wake up Zenimax use anticheat system, encrypt your packet data better, find a way to verify game key and purchase properly.

I am pretty sure they can't use a keygen, A P2P MMO ain't activated until you pay the first months fee.

Stolen accounts is way more likely if they play for free, it usually plagues new MMOs.

I agree that botting is a huge problem but it is honestly not that easy to fix. Almost all larger MMOs have the same problem for about the first 3 months until they finally plugged all the holes. One good reason to avoid any MMO the first few months besides the bugs.

And yes, Nerfing the loot to stop bots is a stupid tactics, punishing everyone for what people who cheat does will only affect the regular players, the price of gold will just go up somewhat to cover for everyones lesser loot.

But as I said, actually solving this will take time, you have to be patient or cancel your subscription and play something else until it is fixed (my guess is in July).

  LazyDazed

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5/09/14 6:07:00 PM#34
So happy I didn't buy this and bought into Wildstar, the WS beta has been so much fun and so much to look forward to, everyone I know playing this game is unhappy to some extent.
  Loke666

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5/09/14 6:08:54 PM#35
Originally posted by Skooma2
They can do with bosses what LotRO does with Skirmish Raids:  You can only get loot from a particular boss once per week.  Bye-bye bots.

It would also annoy the regular players, it is fine with raids and larger dungeons but not even LOTRO do it for smaller bosses.

Bye-bye players as well.

You could however do so people can't loot the same boss twice in a row, only the laziest and the botters would complain about that. Running the same small dungeon over and over to kill a particular boss is boring anyways but when you run past the dungeon a few hours later you should still get loot.

  Sovrath

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5/09/14 6:11:58 PM#36
Originally posted by Astro6

 

I had a chat with one of the bot runners one day turns out they don't pay for the game they use a keygen unless Zenimax changes the way to verify key they could ban a billion bots and it would not stop them.


 

um "possibly"?

Why in the world would you believe the word of this person? For all you know he is just "saying things"? Maybe he wants to seem more "capable" than he is and make his organization seem more "powerful".

Or maybe he is doing this, who knows.

And incidentally, talking with a bot runner might be a sure way to get yourself banned if they start tracing players to these people.

Maybe not but you could just report them and ignore them.

  grapevine

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Posts: 1938

5/09/14 6:14:49 PM#37

Strange how they did put a fix in for bots and haven't seen one for a week or two.   Also next to no gold sellers now.

 

Its either a US server problem (EU here), or not a single person in this thread is actually playing.

  Bad.dog

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5/09/14 6:31:55 PM#38
Originally posted by grapevine

Strange how they did put a fix in for bots and haven't seen one for a week or two.   Also next to no gold sellers now.

 

Its either a US server problem (EU here), or not a single person in this thread is actually playing.

Not a US server problem either ....has been a clear slate for well over a week ...it's the usual suspects, the kool crowd that really don't  play anything, but  talk  about sandbox full pvp and f2p Asian grinders

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