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Elder Scrolls Online Forum » General Discussion » $60 box, $15 a month and microtransactions?

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  KhinRunite

Novice Member

Joined: 11/05/10
Posts: 897

12/04/13 2:06:07 AM#121
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by JJ82
Originally posted by Sovrath

More misinformation or disinformation?

"Sure, it's all gravy." No need to pay for benefits, commercial real estate, salaries, operating expenses and any other expenses that business incur. If "people" would just start looking into the numbers you would get a better idea as to what salaries and operating costs are in a particular area. All this stuff is out there.

What you are saying is that the intiial "$60" automatically pays for all their development costs AND allows them to operate for another 3.5 years in order to put out another expansion.

If a game costs $60.00 and say they sell 1 million copies that's "$60 million". Doesn't even cover the costs of some of these games let alone allow them to operate for another x years. And they don't even keep all that!

I do believe NCSoft has already proved that you can operate and run a successful game just on box sales with Guild Wars 1. Not to mention the fact that Nexon is one of the 3 most profitable gaming companies in the world all on F2P games. I can say that HATING F2P games.

Now go look at Activision/Blizzards earnings reports where it shows you Warcrafts operating costs and profits. Operations are laughably low and they have more servers around the world than just about any 3 games combined.

But apparently not GW2. I don't know what GW 1 cost to make but if you look at a game like Skyrim they were able to make their game for much less than what these mmo's cost and we can see they get to keep quite a bit of their profit.

All GW2 has proven is that you still need a cash shop for a b2p game. 

They probably could have, but they wanted to try a different approach this time. With GW1 they depended on box sales of successive campaigns to keep them funded. The reason they gave for that was because it was too exhaustive to do, which I wouldn't call out as a lie.

  keithian

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 3037

12/04/13 4:57:29 AM#122
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by DSWBeef

On the whole idea of 60$ is to much for a sub mmo is ridiculous to me. Im happy if I spend 60$ on a game and get ATLEAST 15-20 hours out of it. MMos generally offer much more content than other games so I should be fine. 

 

The sub model is IMO the most fair model out there. You buy the game and pay so much a month for it and you get FULL access to everything. Thats if they dont add a fluff filled cash shop. Which if they do im out. Looks like they wont though.

I don't think the sub model is the issue, I think the issue is at face value it appears they are charging a monthly fee for a game very much like other games on the market using similar mechanics and doing it for free. Unless this game is insanely better than GW2 I don't see how you take players from GW2 who are playing it for free or get new players to choose between the two when they are so similar. 

Really all people have so far is interviews and Beta footage like the Skill system video they just showed on this site, which looks a lot like GW2 to me. It is hard to trust the opinions of people in beta since most of them were looking for a DAOC ish RVR game going in and care little about  how alike or different it is from other games. At least with GW2  you could just buy digital copy and if you didnt like ti get a refund, in this case the box comes with a 15 a month fee. 

I'm not sure what you're smokin if you think the skill system in GW2 comes even close to ESO. One of the biggest knocks against GW2 is the lack of that feeling of  skill progression throughout the entire leveling  process, not just early on. Also, the personal story was some of the weakest crap I've seen in an MMO. They should have removed that altogether. The only thing I see as similar PVE wise with both games is the desire to keep the UI simple. 

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  saurus123

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/12/06
Posts: 556

12/04/13 5:08:46 AM#123
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by DSWBeef

On the whole idea of 60$ is to much for a sub mmo is ridiculous to me. Im happy if I spend 60$ on a game and get ATLEAST 15-20 hours out of it. MMos generally offer much more content than other games so I should be fine. 

 

The sub model is IMO the most fair model out there. You buy the game and pay so much a month for it and you get FULL access to everything. Thats if they dont add a fluff filled cash shop. Which if they do im out. Looks like they wont though.

I don't think the sub model is the issue, I think the issue is at face value it appears they are charging a monthly fee for a game very much like other games on the market using similar mechanics and doing it for free. Unless this game is insanely better than GW2 I don't see how you take players from GW2 who are playing it for free or get new players to choose between the two when they are so similar. 

Really all people have so far is interviews and Beta footage like the Skill system video they just showed on this site, which looks a lot like GW2 to me. It is hard to trust the opinions of people in beta since most of them were looking for a DAOC ish RVR game going in and care little about  how alike or different it is from other games. At least with GW2  you could just buy digital copy and if you didnt like ti get a refund, in this case the box comes with a 15 a month fee. 

I'm not sure what you're smokin if you think the skill system in GW2 comes even close to ESO. One of the biggest knocks against GW2 is the lack of that feeling of  skill progression throughout the entire leveling  process, not just early on. Also, the personal story was some of the weakest crap I've seen in an MMO. They should have removed that altogether. The only thing I see as similar PVE wise with both games is the desire to keep the UI simple. 

yes becouse you played ESO and know how the skill system is in game

 

its just an illusion of choice you have in ESO in the end there will be only 2 viable builds

  MikePaladin

Novice Member

Joined: 10/04/13
Posts: 234

Creative nick name nuff to say...

12/04/13 5:25:13 AM#124

To be honest for me 60 $ is quite a lot if this is last price then they will  lose some some people. I can manage to pay a monthly sub with 10$ 15 $   but 60 $ for box I can't    considering also the fact that next year a lot of game will be released

If there is a pack for poor people  30 $ box and one month in it  I will buy this pack . Plus I'm wow fan so I'm used to this price

30 $ expansion 15$ month.  

And yeah I'm poor and I don't have a full time job and I can't ask parents to give me money for a  game.....

  tom_gore

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/27/09
Posts: 1806

12/04/13 5:28:46 AM#125
Originally posted by MikePaladin

To be honest for me 60 $ is quite a lot if this is last price then they will  lose some some people. I can manage to pay a monthly sub with 10$ 15 $   but 60 $ for box I can't    considering also the fact that next year a lot of game will be released

If there is a pack for poor people  30 $ box and one month in it  I will buy this pack . Plus I'm wow fan so I'm used to this price

30 $ expansion 15$ month.  

And yeah I'm poor and I don't have a full time job and I can't ask parents to give me money for a  game.....

This might sound harsh, but if you can't spend $60 on a video game you plan to play for several months you should consider what you're doing with your free time.

 

  mibgeneral

Novice Member

Joined: 9/14/06
Posts: 1

12/04/13 2:02:20 PM#126
I'm in, regardless.....
  Asariasha

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/05/11
Posts: 218

12/04/13 2:08:23 PM#127
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by MikePaladin

To be honest for me 60 $ is quite a lot if this is last price then they will  lose some some people. I can manage to pay a monthly sub with 10$ 15 $   but 60 $ for box I can't    considering also the fact that next year a lot of game will be released

If there is a pack for poor people  30 $ box and one month in it  I will buy this pack . Plus I'm wow fan so I'm used to this price

30 $ expansion 15$ month.  

And yeah I'm poor and I don't have a full time job and I can't ask parents to give me money for a  game.....

This might sound harsh, but if you can't spend $60 on a video game you plan to play for several months you should consider what you're doing with your free time.

 

This!

 

 

  Tatercake

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/24/07
Posts: 272

LET GO OF MY NUTS

12/04/13 2:22:16 PM#128
i started with the eso games with Daggerfall  my fave   one of all and i was hyped to  have eso mmo was so happy then they sead sub for the day and age subs are old school not relevant to are economy. i been mmoing  from the time UO came out paid 1000 in subs. but my point is this game is not worth a sub they copied  there combat system and it  boring and nothing lke  a elder scrolls game tab targeted twitch system just is not  good  for this game im very sad with what they done to  the game  for what it could  have been. they are throwing so much crap at us every other day  to like there game and buy it wel its not worth  the sub at all yes its a beautiful world and if it was buy to play i could spends 100s in a cash shop just for outfits and xp boosts for my toons but do to what you get for your buck they will not get my sub
  Nanfoodle

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Joined: 5/23/06
Posts: 3709

12/04/13 2:50:52 PM#129
Originally posted by amber-r

Waiting for this game to come out and I've been reading and watching youtube videos about it...one mentioned what I stated in the title.   $60 box, $15 a month and ontop of that microtransactions, that seems way too greedy to me.

 

I understand that MMOs have a very high quit rate these days, which is why they are trying to go the way GW2 did with a high box price but should they not offer a lower sub fee to offset this large box price?   I mean this really stinks of cash grab to me, like they know how the wind is gonna go and getting as much cash upfront as they can till it happens.

 

They are trying to have everything, full price box and a full price sub and microtransactions.  I mean that's really slimey to me.

This is 100% gamers fault. How many P2P MMOs now have a micro-transaction shops with a sub and they are making huge cash with it? Too many! WoW released the sparkle pony mount and in the first 72 hours made 25 mill. What company can not look at that and say "How do I get some of that?" As long as gamers are willing to pay for a game, pay a sub and buy digital items that should be earned in game as part of your sub fee, companies will micro ding us to death. Gamers have to learn to vote with our money or we will just get more of this. 

I will say this.. if ESO cash shops only has items you can earned in game I will not be as upset. As long as its not the best items you can earn. If the items are just fluff cosmetic items I wont be as upset again. Also cash shop items should never give you an edge in PvP or top end PvE. It should be about the gear you earn and skill. GW2 is one of the few cash shops that does not make me dismiss the game outright. 

  keithian

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 3037

12/04/13 5:54:39 PM#130
Originally posted by saurus123
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by DSWBeef

On the whole idea of 60$ is to much for a sub mmo is ridiculous to me. Im happy if I spend 60$ on a game and get ATLEAST 15-20 hours out of it. MMos generally offer much more content than other games so I should be fine. 

 

The sub model is IMO the most fair model out there. You buy the game and pay so much a month for it and you get FULL access to everything. Thats if they dont add a fluff filled cash shop. Which if they do im out. Looks like they wont though.

I don't think the sub model is the issue, I think the issue is at face value it appears they are charging a monthly fee for a game very much like other games on the market using similar mechanics and doing it for free. Unless this game is insanely better than GW2 I don't see how you take players from GW2 who are playing it for free or get new players to choose between the two when they are so similar. 

Really all people have so far is interviews and Beta footage like the Skill system video they just showed on this site, which looks a lot like GW2 to me. It is hard to trust the opinions of people in beta since most of them were looking for a DAOC ish RVR game going in and care little about  how alike or different it is from other games. At least with GW2  you could just buy digital copy and if you didnt like ti get a refund, in this case the box comes with a 15 a month fee. 

I'm not sure what you're smokin if you think the skill system in GW2 comes even close to ESO. One of the biggest knocks against GW2 is the lack of that feeling of  skill progression throughout the entire leveling  process, not just early on. Also, the personal story was some of the weakest crap I've seen in an MMO. They should have removed that altogether. The only thing I see as similar PVE wise with both games is the desire to keep the UI simple. 

yes becouse you played ESO and know how the skill system is in game

 

its just an illusion of choice you have in ESO in the end there will be only 2 viable builds

That makes absolutely no sense. Have no idea what you are talking about. No logic whatsoever.

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