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Elder Scrolls Online Forum » General Discussion » [POLL] Still going to play ESO with sub?

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  kilatre

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8/23/13 6:50:25 AM#61

I'm over the scam that has become "Free-to-Play". I have forked out more on so called free games in the last few years then I had in 10 years of gaming combined. Neverwinter was the straw that broke this gamers back. I will not be supporting another free-to-play game. I prefer a sub and no micro-transactions at all.. I seriously think a sub brings better quality both in the game itself and in the communities that support them.

 

  User Deleted
8/23/13 7:04:00 AM#62

I WOULD NOT HAVE played if it was a free to play game, just like I WILL NOT PLAY eqnext if it sticks with f2p model. There is a massive quality difference between free to play and sub to play games.

Sub to play games are for the most part a much much more quality game, communities thrive in them, and they have longevity.

F2p games are the exact opposite, if a dev makes a game and determines it's not good enough for a sub, It gets launched f2p for the quick cash grab and then many many members of the support team for that game are left hung out to dry. Which means we as consumers lose our support team as well.

This market appears to be flooded with mmorpgs, but that is not true. The truth is the market is flooded with devs that think they can make mmorpgs. The truth is there are only a few dev teams that can actually make an mmorpg that is worth playing. The rest of the games 95% of them are just a bunch of wannabe's.

 

When a dev isn't a wannabe they know it, they produce a game, they stand by their game, it launches sub to play and we see what happens. You can have all the confidence in the world, but you never know what will happen.

Lets look at  SWTOR. I think SWTOR actually is a great game, but in todays age of social media, once the momentum built on the anti swtor snow ball it couldn't be stopped. I believe a lot of that momentum came from people that were angry about things that were not even related to SWTOR to begin with.

ESO Team - decided sub to play - they have shown the game off now and people like it, more details are to come yes, but so far its getting a positive vide, the team is confident in their game, they actually believe it merits a sub and they are doing it for their benefit and ours. If it turns out the sub model works, they are seeing sustainable income, the game will be around for a while for people to enjoy. If not it will simply flip to f2p - there will be a cash grab - and then the team will move onto the next project in a short amount of time.

In my opinion, switching to f2p after I bought and payed for a sub to play game is a crime. When that happens I should be refunded my money three fold. The only exception is for example TSW went buy to play, I am ok with that, but going f2p after I already invested time and money is a rip off.

  Brabbit1987

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8/23/13 7:58:31 AM#63
Originally posted by Rockniss

I WOULD NOT HAVE played if it was a free to play game, just like I WILL NOT PLAY eqnext if it sticks with f2p model. There is a massive quality difference between free to play and sub to play games.

Sub to play games are for the most part a much much more quality game, communities thrive in them, and they have longevity.

F2p games are the exact opposite, if a dev makes a game and determines it's not good enough for a sub, It gets launched f2p for the quick cash grab and then many many members of the support team for that game are left hung out to dry. Which means we as consumers lose our support team as well.

This market appears to be flooded with mmorpgs, but that is not true. The truth is the market is flooded with devs that think they can make mmorpgs. The truth is there are only a few dev teams that can actually make an mmorpg that is worth playing. The rest of the games 95% of them are just a bunch of wannabe's.

 

When a dev isn't a wannabe they know it, they produce a game, they stand by their game, it launches sub to play and we see what happens. You can have all the confidence in the world, but you never know what will happen.

Lets look at  SWTOR. I think SWTOR actually is a great game, but in todays age of social media, once the momentum built on the anti swtor snow ball it couldn't be stopped. I believe a lot of that momentum came from people that were angry about things that were not even related to SWTOR to begin with.

ESO Team - decided sub to play - they have shown the game off now and people like it, more details are to come yes, but so far its getting a positive vide, the team is confident in their game, they actually believe it merits a sub and they are doing it for their benefit and ours. If it turns out the sub model works, they are seeing sustainable income, the game will be around for a while for people to enjoy. If not it will simply flip to f2p - there will be a cash grab - and then the team will move onto the next project in a short amount of time.

In my opinion, switching to f2p after I bought and payed for a sub to play game is a crime. When that happens I should be refunded my money three fold. The only exception is for example TSW went buy to play, I am ok with that, but going f2p after I already invested time and money is a rip off.

While I agree with just about everything you said in your last 2 paragraphs, I can't agree with what you said at the start of your post.

No offence to you, but I have found some of the best communities in F2P games, and some of the worst in P2P or B2P games. However, this goes both ways. I have also seen pretty good communities in P2P and B2P ... and really bad communities in F2P.

Also , quality is another thing that works both ways. Yes, a lot of F2P games, are crap. But, again there are a lot of good F2P games as well. Just because you have not specifically played them, does not make them bad just because you played a few bad ones in the past.

The only thing I can almost certainly agree with you on in this area, is customer service tends to be total crap on F2P games. It's not even like they make little money. The moment they go F2P, it's like they stop caring about their support. I never understood it.

As for your truth statement ... that is not truth, that is an opinion. XD Actually really, unless you played every single mmo that exists you couldn't give a percentage like you just did. Basically what you are doing here, is you played a bunch of bad games, and applied that on the rest of the games you didn't play.

Back to community, ... trolls exist ever where. F2P, P2P, and B2P all have them. The only reason you see less of them in P2P, is because the cost limits how much of the entire community actually plays. So you are not just losing the trolls, but you are losing nice players as well.

As for bots, they exist everywhere as well, it just takes them longer to get into the P2P games in comparison. Unless a game has a good system to prevent it, which I have seen a few even in F2P games.

Really I never ran into a F2P game that was complete and total crap entirely as some here make it seem like. Also, I seen plenty of the B2P and P2P games, that are just as bad as some of the worst F2P games out there. A bunch of them claiming they are different, and doing the same exact thing all the other games did.

It's not that devs do not know how to make MMORPGs, it's simply that people are sick of the same thing over and over again. The actual mechanics have not evolved very much to keep up with player demands.

  DeniZg

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8/23/13 8:06:29 AM#64

I voted "No", because based on the game features announced, I think this game is not worth a sub fee.

It offers nothing more than GW2 , a B2P game, already has. In fact, since TESO does not have any kind of structured PVP, it offers even less. Honestly, I would rather re-sub to SWTOR, which I perosnally consider a failure, than pay sub for TESO.

Having a sub fee simply because of popular IP is an insult to players intelligence.

  Reklaw

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8/23/13 1:20:09 PM#65
Originally posted by DeniZg

I voted "No", because based on the game features announced, I think this game is not worth a sub fee.

It offers nothing more than GW2 , a B2P game, already has. In fact, since TESO does not have any kind of structured PVP, it offers even less. Honestly, I would rather re-sub to SWTOR, which I perosnally consider a failure, than pay sub for TESO.

Having a sub fee simply because of popular IP is an insult to players intelligence.

Not sure what you would consider structured PVP.

To me it seems like one of the better PVP system MMORPG ever had. Perhaps because those who want to PVP actually play against other people who want to PVP that could be a issue for some people?

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/game-guide/the-alliance-war

http://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp

Your examples I don't get them, you talk about games that are completely different. But maybe you enjoy the PVP in GW2 or SWtOR more then actually PVP that fits the gameworld and even influences it. Might again be too much for some people I don't know. But the amount of complaints we read on forums like this about PVP in general then TESO must really look intresting for those who miss PVP in other MMORPG's.

The sub-fee is a smart move and it doesn't insult players intelligence. In fact I would even go as far as saying that Everquest Next being a sandbox insults me by going F2P.

Also Wildstar isn't a well know populair IP and also going the sub way.

Overall I feel it's a good decision game company's are returning back to subscription models. I fear allot of trouble in the not so distant future for f2p games mainly because of laws that I am sure will go futher looking into the gambling aspects of F2P.

 

  IridescentOrk

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Joined: 5/27/13
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8/23/13 1:26:11 PM#66
Originally posted by Crazy_Stick
Well, I figure it will go like GW2 did for me. I will wait patently while everyone buys it at full price and with mark up. As they wear it out, the player base that won't stick with it gorges themselves, pukes, and flops in a raging forum fit, I will buy it for like $15 during their first promotional sale as the product goes free to play. At least for me it will be like Christmas as the masses burn everything about TESO around them. This has become pretty typical of my experience. Buying discipline pays off.

^ this, considering the devs said it's not an MMO and pretty much one can play solo, I am not in a hurry to play it at launch; I still haven't finished Skyrim lol

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  Vutar

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8/23/13 1:29:15 PM#67
Originally posted by Samuel107

Just interested to see who is still going to play with this payment method.

*Edit* I guess I could have made this poll better with maybe or with more info. Say yes for maybe then, because I'm just seeing how many just got turned off by the idea of subscription based and know they aren't playing because of it. 

 

If you really wanted to know that you should have asked closer to release. A lot of those saying no will play it, they are just mad they didn't get their way. Taking a poll on anything right after a controversial announcement is always pointless because emotions are going to trump reason.

  baphamet

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8/25/13 11:50:58 PM#68

very very happy to see there isn't a F2P option in this game, makes me want to play even more now.

this game doesn't need a F2P option at first, especially when they wont have issues with dead servers.

this is easily my most anticipated game right now. :)

  User Deleted
8/26/13 5:05:59 AM#69

Every game I've been subbed to as P2P for the past 6 years has gone F2P, so that is why I will simply wait a year or so.

If anything it will at least give me an idea of the quality of the content, since most people will have explored everything by then. If it still is growing/ maintains a steady following after a year in this market, it's probably a good game.

There are so many good games out right now.... there is no reason to buy anything earlier.

 

 

  Ineveraskforthis

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8/26/13 10:49:14 PM#70
if the game is good the sub doesn't bother me.
  Broshi

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Joined: 8/01/13
Posts: 8

8/28/13 11:41:38 PM#71
I don't mind the P2P. However, a cash shop on top of a sub is absurd imo. I can deal with the cash shop so long as it doesn't sell game breaking items and everything available in the cash shop can also be attained in the game world some how.
  Agent_Joseph

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Joined: 11/11/06
Posts: 660

8/29/13 6:33:21 AM#72
sure , if PvP have to be fun for me...I don't care for pve game content,hope I ll be able skip it,coz it is SP game part.

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  Comaf

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I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters.

8/29/13 6:42:15 AM#73
Originally posted by Broshi
I don't mind the P2P. However, a cash shop on top of a sub is absurd imo. I can deal with the cash shop so long as it doesn't sell game breaking items and everything available in the cash shop can also be attained in the game world some how.

Matt Firor already stated it's purely cosmetic.  People have a drive to buy that crap and I say hey, it if helps a great title like ESO - which is a company doing something in their game that is so unknown to most people on these forums that they aren't even comprehending it when they discuss it (i.e., tri realm RvR, no repeated classes and races, smashable walls and so forth in RvR castles)...

 

The cash shop will bring more currency to support the title.  More money (even if it's from fluff) means more game content and quality investing.

  Broshi

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8/29/13 2:27:01 PM#74
Originally posted by Comaf
Originally posted by Broshi
I don't mind the P2P. However, a cash shop on top of a sub is absurd imo. I can deal with the cash shop so long as it doesn't sell game breaking items and everything available in the cash shop can also be attained in the game world some how.

Matt Firor already stated it's purely cosmetic.  People have a drive to buy that crap and I say hey, it if helps a great title like ESO - which is a company doing something in their game that is so unknown to most people on these forums that they aren't even comprehending it when they discuss it (i.e., tri realm RvR, no repeated classes and races, smashable walls and so forth in RvR castles)...

 

The cash shop will bring more currency to support the title.  More money (even if it's from fluff) means more game content and quality investing.

I agree with you. The cosmetic cash shop is not a big deal to me. I want this game to have enough revenue for the devs to make it great and keep it great.

 

  flizzer

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8/29/13 2:29:19 PM#75
I'll check it out when it goes f2p. No way can FFXIV, Wildstar, and ESO all make it as a sub game.   
  Kruul

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9/03/13 5:08:53 AM#76
This was an easy question to answer being I don't play F2P titles unless they have some sort of VIP sub that unlocks everything.
  Ice-Queen

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9/03/13 5:22:07 AM#77
I'll pay a subscription for any game that I feel is worth it. I'm not sure ESO will be one of those games, we'll see. I prefer subs over F2P, B2P gimmicky games though.

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  meddyck

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9/03/13 5:22:22 AM#78
I already had a lot of doubts about this game before the sub announcement. Now that it will have a box price + monthly sub, I'm going to pass on it at launch. If launch goes smoothly and I read a lot of people saying it's a great game (by which I mean AvA is great because I don't care about leveling and raiding), then maybe I'll pick it up a month or two later. If it gets the mediocre to bad reviews I expect, then I'll wait for them to add a non subscription option later on before I try it (if ever).

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  observer

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9/04/13 10:30:20 PM#79
I would have gave it a chance if it was f2p or b2p, but there's no way i would sub to this game, from the videos i've seen.
  Mardy

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9/05/13 6:19:34 PM#80
Originally posted by kilatre

I'm over the scam that has become "Free-to-Play". I have forked out more on so called free games in the last few years then I had in 10 years of gaming combined. Neverwinter was the straw that broke this gamers back. I will not be supporting another free-to-play game. I prefer a sub and no micro-transactions at all.. I seriously think a sub brings better quality both in the game itself and in the communities that support them.

 

^ hear hear, people tend to actually spend more money on free to play games due to the amount of cash shops.  I'll be playing this game and will gladly pay subscriptions if it doesn't pull a SOE by charging subscription PLUS utilize tons of cash shop.  If they charge subs and provide good amount of content the way Blizzard has done for WoW, then I  will be happy.

 

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