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Elder Scrolls Online Forum » General Discussion » What's the point of TESO

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  discord235

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Joined: 9/11/11
Posts: 117

6/18/13 11:59:44 PM#81
So I'm just gonna throw my 2 cents in here, and it's probably already been said, but the reason they are doing what they're doing is to MAKE MORE MONEY. Simply put, MMO's are where the money is at. People bought Skyrim for $60 and that was it. With an MMO you end up paying more, since the game itself will probably cost $60, plus either a monthly fee or a cash shop. And this ties right in to why they have PVP - you need something to do after you reach level cap. And as nice as it would be to just focus entirely on new PVE content, devs just can't make it as fast as we go through it (well, they probably could, but the cost would be astronomical). Of course you have raids/dungeons/dailies too, but it is all focused on one thing - grinding to get the best gear. And PVP is the "easiest" end-game content to create, because all you need is an arena and they players provide the "content." Yes, the best way to approach this game is not as a standard Elder Scrolls game (because it's not), but to approach it as an MMO with Elder Scrolls IP. I certainly don't think PVP will be as boring as you make it sound, and I am not a big PVPer. Personally, I try almost every MMO that comes out nowadays and I am still playing GW2. Can't wait for Wildstar. And if you haven't tried The Secret World, I would give it a shot cuz it sounds kinda like what you are looking for - something more engaging and not as easy. It does have crappy PVP, but you know, just ignore it.

  irnbru69

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Joined: 2/09/11
Posts: 36

6/19/13 10:29:04 AM#82

OP how is it ok for you to WANT coop but when others want an mmo its not ok.

If you dont like the idea of an mmo and you think skyrim is an amazing SP game then keep playing the SP game and do what every other single player does....wait for mods and download them.

When you next want to make a ranting post try not to make it so dam big considering you only made a couple of points you dont need to elaborate that much.

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 684

6/19/13 12:17:53 PM#83
Originally posted by discord235
So I'm just gonna throw my 2 cents in here, and it's probably already been said, but the reason they are doing what they're doing is to MAKE MORE MONEY. Simply put, MMO's are where the money is at. People bought Skyrim for $60 and that was it. With an MMO you end up paying more, since the game itself will probably cost $60, plus either a monthly fee or a cash shop. And this ties right in to why they have PVP - you need something to do after you reach level cap. And as nice as it would be to just focus entirely on new PVE content, devs just can't make it as fast as we go through it (well, they probably could, but the cost would be astronomical). Of course you have raids/dungeons/dailies too, but it is all focused on one thing - grinding to get the best gear. And PVP is the "easiest" end-game content to create, because all you need is an arena and they players provide the "content." Yes, the best way to approach this game is not as a standard Elder Scrolls game (because it's not), but to approach it as an MMO with Elder Scrolls IP. I certainly don't think PVP will be as boring as you make it sound, and I am not a big PVPer. Personally, I try almost every MMO that comes out nowadays and I am still playing GW2. Can't wait for Wildstar. And if you haven't tried The Secret World, I would give it a shot cuz it sounds kinda like what you are looking for - something more engaging and not as easy. It does have crappy PVP, but you know, just ignore it.

I agree with your 2 cents :3

  Apraxis

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Joined: 9/28/05
Posts: 1471

6/28/13 12:10:46 PM#84
Originally posted by jinxxed0

The fact that they (among many other MMO devs) are using a single player story line for an MMO just tells me that they aren't ready to make an MMO. Everyone is the same person basically looking at the same cutscenes going through the same story etc. Why can't MMOs acknowledge why thousands of others are doing the same thing as me? If I'm the best soldier in the army in the story who are all these other players. etc etc

Yeap. That's the question i ask for quite some time. Why no MMO developer ever made a world story evolving in time and changed the world, and you as a player either take part in it(in whatever position or situation) or not. Like Game of Thrones where different houses arise a fight against, where a evil arise in the north.

And you as a player can either join one of those houses and do tasks form them to reach the final goal, or join the forces in the north to fight the rising evil and so on. The world and world story will change over time and withit you as a player and all other players.. but everone would have their personal experience and completely different than most others.

Is it difficult to realize? Of course. Impossible? Hell no. But that is rather off topic.

  Entinerint

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Joined: 5/06/12
Posts: 716

6/28/13 1:31:13 PM#85
Originally posted by McSire
ZOS even said it themselves one of the main reasons for this games development is to be able to play Elder Scrolls with your friends. /End discussion.

Do you believe all marketing spin you hear or just the words that appeal to you?

News Flash: the answer is money.

But money is too simplistic.

From a creative standpoint, the answer is to make DAOC 2.

  NobleNerd

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6/28/13 1:42:31 PM#86
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Calibanvov

Im not big on the PvP aspect either.  But Skyrim will stand on its own and be unaffected by TESO.

 

Just think of it as a different game, and maybe TESO will turn out good.  Skyrim will always be there. But I just worry that Bethesda will concentrate on TESO and not the PvE elderscrolls worlds we love.

 

Remember when Bioware decided to make SWTOR instead of Knights of the Old Republic 3?  That didn't turn out so good and we missed out on an awesome single player game they could of made.

The Bethesda devs better have enough people working on the next Skyrim or we will all lose out.

 

 

 

 

Zenimax is developing TESO not Bethesda. I am sure they have a hand in things, but I doubt there's significant resources from Bethesda being pulled away for TESO.

Zenimax IS Bethesda! They are not a contracted out company... they have been a part of the Elder Scrolls games since the beginning. They just created "Zenimax Online" to focus on the online game development. Since Oblivion at least it has always been a Zenimax/Bethesda production.

  Lucioon

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7/11/13 7:58:10 AM#87

I think whats wrong with TESO is that they are making everyone the Hero.

Instead of making players filling in the spots of the Bandits, Highwayman, Assassins, Thiefs, shop keepers, scholars, healers.

TES is such an open world, that players should have been made to become what NPCs were in Skyrim and other TES games.

Imagine, that you got into the game, and decided to make your guild the Bandit that raids merchants, its an whole other game within the game, and your guild hall is a cave that you furnish with stuff.

Or you are a thief that again you are in sewers, and you get to furnish it with merchants and the likes just like in Skyrim and Morrowind.

Or you are part of the assassins, and you are building up your reputation and getting groups of assassin players together, and furnishing your secret club with passwords.

Everyone other assassin guild, thief guild are all competing against each other to complete the quests faster and get the full payment.

Or an mercenary guild / fighter guild that you are part of and furnishing the building with animal skins and trophys

Everything that TES currently is filled with NPC can be filled with Players acting out those roles.

But instead of using such rich environment and Player roles, we are all individual Heroes like every other MMO out there.

Just like the single player game, you are the hero of the thief guild, like everyone else doing the same quest as everyone else, being praised as if no one else just did that exact same quest.

Unless I have been reading the information wrong and that you can play the game as an Highway man being labeled as an Highway man and can be hunted by others because you are an Highway man.

 

 

Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 684

7/11/13 8:29:55 AM#88
Originally posted by Lucioon

I think whats wrong with TESO is that they are making everyone the Hero.

Instead of making players filling in the spots of the Bandits, Highwayman, Assassins, Thiefs, shop keepers, scholars, healers.

TES is such an open world, that players should have been made to become what NPCs were in Skyrim and other TES games.

Imagine, that you got into the game, and decided to make your guild the Bandit that raids merchants, its an whole other game within the game, and your guild hall is a cave that you furnish with stuff.

Or you are a thief that again you are in sewers, and you get to furnish it with merchants and the likes just like in Skyrim and Morrowind.

Or you are part of the assassins, and you are building up your reputation and getting groups of assassin players together, and furnishing your secret club with passwords.

Everyone other assassin guild, thief guild are all competing against each other to complete the quests faster and get the full payment.

Or an mercenary guild / fighter guild that you are part of and furnishing the building with animal skins and trophys

Everything that TES currently is filled with NPC can be filled with Players acting out those roles.

But instead of using such rich environment and Player roles, we are all individual Heroes like every other MMO out there.

Just like the single player game, you are the hero of the thief guild, like everyone else doing the same quest as everyone else, being praised as if no one else just did that exact same quest.

Unless I have been reading the information wrong and that you can play the game as an Highway man being labeled as an Highway man and can be hunted by others because you are an Highway man.

 

 

The reason why that would not work is because then it become nearly impossible to keep the lore. Some people already have issue apparently with what little lore "maybe" effected by ESO. If they put something like this in the game, lore would be completely butchered.

It just wouldn't work well in an Elder Scrolls game. I say they are doing a pretty darn good job at keeping the game fairly Elder Scrolls like considering it's a pretty hard thing to do when trying to go MMO.

  JWillCHS

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7/14/13 8:59:28 PM#89

So we're still making this topic? I can understand that there are individuals who prefer one style of play over another and can make a good argument. But in my opinion, I don't think anyone in this topic so far has said anything we haven't heard before. It's like beating a dead horse.

Besides, there's plenty of great lore to warrant the idea of PvP combat in the land of Tamriel. I strongly prefer player verse environment, and the idea of Cyrodiil to me is very interesting. I've always been a big fan of both the TES franchise and massive multiplayer online role playing games. If they can meld the two experience without having to sacrifice much, I'll be just fine.

  Horusra

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Joined: 6/26/05
Posts: 2205

7/14/13 10:03:46 PM#90
Originally posted by NobleNerd
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Calibanvov

Im not big on the PvP aspect either.  But Skyrim will stand on its own and be unaffected by TESO.

 

Just think of it as a different game, and maybe TESO will turn out good.  Skyrim will always be there. But I just worry that Bethesda will concentrate on TESO and not the PvE elderscrolls worlds we love.

 

Remember when Bioware decided to make SWTOR instead of Knights of the Old Republic 3?  That didn't turn out so good and we missed out on an awesome single player game they could of made.

The Bethesda devs better have enough people working on the next Skyrim or we will all lose out.

 

 

 

 

Zenimax is developing TESO not Bethesda. I am sure they have a hand in things, but I doubt there's significant resources from Bethesda being pulled away for TESO.

Zenimax IS Bethesda! They are not a contracted out company... they have been a part of the Elder Scrolls games since the beginning. They just created "Zenimax Online" to focus on the online game development. Since Oblivion at least it has always been a Zenimax/Bethesda production.

Technically Bethesda is part of Zenimax....as Zenimax is the parent publishing company.

  citan79

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Joined: 2/22/07
Posts: 88

7/17/13 7:18:18 AM#91

So essentially ESO will suck because it has pvp.  I get it you don't like pvp ... i was hoping this would be a thread about how the game actually plays as opposed to what modes are in it along side pve. 

 

From what i have gathered from the PVE end it is following the tried and true formula that has been engrained in mmos by wow.

 

hot bar and all so far away from the single player titles. 

 

 

ESO will fail not because of pvp or lack of group pve content but because it will be a rehash of what already exist with an elder scrolls twist. 

 

I will pass and continue to play skyrim tll they release their next single player rpg. 

  Hariken

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Joined: 7/15/13
Posts: 520

7/17/13 4:10:23 PM#92
I love reading the post about this game. I for one have been playing elderscrolls games since daggerfell. Morrowind is my favorite RPG of all time. As far as TESO goes i won't be playing it. And i'm glad Bethesda will still be making the singleplayer games and are not the ones making TESO. To me this all about making a lot of money for the company. Playing a TES game online with others ruins the TES role play singleplayer fun. I can't imagine seeing chat trash talking when i'm playing a TES game.
  sschrupp

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Joined: 7/30/03
Posts: 366

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7/17/13 4:28:50 PM#93
Originally posted by Hariken
I can't imagine seeing chat trash talking when i'm playing a TES game.

The first thing I do in any MMO is disable general chat. I only need to see what my friends, party members, and guildmates are saying. If I really really want to see a bunch of garbage, spamming LFG, spamming WTT, etc. I'll turn it back on for 2 seconds before my eyes bleed.

There's no reason to avoid a game because of general chat channels. Turn the dang thing off and enjoy the rest of the game.

Hell, I have a turn based strategy game that I play by myself that has a general chat server. You don't see me not playing an awesome game because of the spam there. I don't even acknowledge it exists... well except in this post.

Insert random misqoute here

  kalithas

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Joined: 7/17/13
Posts: 4

7/17/13 5:14:20 PM#94
Maybe you should stop comparing a single player game to an MMO.
  FatalHit

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Joined: 7/17/13
Posts: 2

7/17/13 5:24:22 PM#95
Originally posted by Calibanvov

Im not big on the PvP aspect either.  But Skyrim will stand on its own and be unaffected by TESO.

 

Just think of it as a different game, and maybe TESO will turn out good.  Skyrim will always be there. But I just worry that Bethesda will concentrate on TESO and not the PvE elderscrolls worlds we love.

 

Remember when Bioware decided to make SWTOR instead of Knights of the Old Republic 3?  That didn't turn out so good and we missed out on an awesome single player game they could of made.

The Bethesda devs better have enough people working on the next Skyrim or we will all lose out.

 

your mistaken zenimax is the ones mainting teso and besides that theyve basically reached the end of the story for the elder scrolls theyve almost covered all the books and scripts they can and in all honesty id be satisfied if they left it as is went back and made one big game of all of them but redone in hd

 

 

 

 

  NagilumSadow

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Posts: 246

7/18/13 12:36:38 AM#96

You can go fishing and make Fishy Sticks in game -- all will be well.

But seriously, you'll see things throughout all of  Tamriel, and wouldn't it be interesting to loot treasures from the ruins of Kemel-Ze? Another way to look at it is how many single player game cycles would it take to see all of Tamriel? Many, many years -- if ever.

I will give it a fair chance.


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