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  GN-003

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1/31/13 12:47:40 AM#81
Originally posted by ShakyMo
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TESO appeals a lot to me, I get 3 skyrims to pve in and a fantasy planetside to pvp in. 4 games for the price of one.

That's an interesting outlook. Where have I heard this before... ah, that's right, SWTOR. "Oh my god, it's like KOTOR 3, 4, 5, and 6! It's the ultimate experience!" Do you honestly believe that the solo/PVE portion of TESO is going to be on equal footing with traditional Elder Scrolls games? Not just once, but three times over? Good on you, I suppose.

  loulaki

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1/31/13 4:46:22 AM#82
Originally posted by Grunch

I notice that the only people complaining have never played DAoC and do not realize the awesomeness that is about to be unleashed in 2013 called ESO. I have been waiting for a DAoC 3 Faction RvR game since the WoW Clone Wars began. This is going to be the MMO that will bring balance back to the force.

 

I suggest people try out DAoC to see how three faction gameplay works. I understand DAoC isn't what it used to be but you will get an idea.

you miss in the way GW2 ...!

 

but anyway TESO has (+) a big map, not 3 same and one a little bigger, i hope this will work better and the pride will be between races/alliances and not servers which is good for rp ...

on the other hand, they have huge restrictions, not allowing side to choose after your character and the staff with the one server global server who places you in a smart way ... reminds me the US smart bombs ... not good

 

  Phry

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1/31/13 5:17:05 AM#83
if the game was pegged as DAoC 2, then that would be one thing, but the game is being advertised as a TES MMO, which is highly questionable, so far all i've seen is a lazy attempt to bolt together a DAoC remake using TES themes, you would hope, after all this time, that the concept of R v R v R MMO's had at least undergone some kind of evolution, recreating the past just doesnt cut it, although updated graphics will look nice, i had hoped that the game would at least attempt to bring in the type of gameplay most commonly associated with TES, so much for innovation. As for the oh yeah best game eveh crowd, we've heard it all before, and the outcome in just about every case has so far always been the same, so change the record or at least use some kind of argument to tell us why it is, i guess the next thing we'll be hearing how this game will kill WoW.
  Crazyhorsek

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1/31/13 10:42:55 AM#84
Originally posted by Phry
if the game was pegged as DAoC 2, then that would be one thing, but the game is being advertised as a TES MMO, which is highly questionable, so far all i've seen is a lazy attempt to bolt together a DAoC remake using TES themes, you would hope, after all this time, that the concept of R v R v R MMO's had at least undergone some kind of evolution, recreating the past just doesnt cut it, although updated graphics will look nice, i had hoped that the game would at least attempt to bring in the type of gameplay most commonly associated with TES, so much for innovation. As for the oh yeah best game eveh crowd, we've heard it all before, and the outcome in just about every case has so far always been the same, so change the record or at least use some kind of argument to tell us why it is, i guess the next thing we'll be hearing how this game will kill WoW.

Wow is getting old. Blizzard doesnt even have the "WoW team" working on WoW anymore... its dying, slowly and even Blizz knows that - I still play it tho... but since I'm not a "raider" and PvP sucks, I just stay at 90 with max pre-raid gear and go do old content solo or reroll a class I didnt try yet - I'm playin a level 30 disc priest right now.

As for TESO yes... considering the franchise, its playerbase, the amount of people that know about The Elder Scrolls and the mmo crowd that both know about mmos and about TES, TESO does have the chance of becoming the new huge mmo in short time after release.

If done right, there will be no mmo to even challenge it at least for almost 2 years (or more depending on that Titan project). Make no mistake tho... if done right it will take a large chunk of players out of every mmo out there and probably nuking some to oblivion (pun intended).

  Ice-Queen

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1/31/13 10:55:17 AM#85
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Grunch
I notice that the only people complaining have never played DAoC and do not realize the awesomeness that is about to be unleashed in 2013 called ESO. I have been waiting for a DAoC 3 Faction RvR game since the WoW Clone Wars began. This is going to be the MMO that will bring balance back to the force.

 

 

I suggest people try out DAoC to see how three faction gameplay works. I understand DAoC isn't what it used to be but you will get an idea.


 

If DaoC was so great, Why did it ultimately under preform in the end?

The reason was, the game was an awesome RvR pvp game. Once their focus went toward PvE they lost people. Pre-ToA, DAOC was the very best RvR game I've ever played, and nothing has ever compared to it.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  ShakyMo

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1/31/13 10:59:21 AM#86
Not so much focus on pve. Daoc always focussed on pve and pvp and crafting equally, it was one of its strengths. Daoc does have a ton of pve content, 41 dungeons for a start.

What broke it was adding EQ / wow style wtfpwn gear with toa which was best in game and could only be obtained through pve.
  SlyLoK

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1/31/13 12:06:24 PM#87
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Not so much focus on pve. Daoc always focussed on pve and pvp and crafting equally, it was one of its strengths. Daoc does have a ton of pve content, 41 dungeons for a start.

What broke it was adding EQ / wow style wtfpwn gear with toa which was best in game and could only be obtained through pve.

I played DAoC at 95% PvE probably ( I was a huge fan of Mythics and their older games like Aliens Online , Godzilla Online , Magestorm , Spellbinder ..ect. ) and I dont think I got to RR3 on any of my characters. DAoC had a good bit of PvE content prior to any expansions and I really loved Stonehenge Barrows.

And again ToA came out a year before WoW so it was all about taking players from EQ :). 

Im am just looking forward to running around Tamriel. My main draw is just the world and PvE.. PvP comes way past those but I do play that style from time to time I just aint crazy about it.

  DavisFlight

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1/31/13 1:46:42 PM#88
Originally posted by SlyLoK
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Not so much focus on pve. Daoc always focussed on pve and pvp and crafting equally, it was one of its strengths. Daoc does have a ton of pve content, 41 dungeons for a start.

What broke it was adding EQ / wow style wtfpwn gear with toa which was best in game and could only be obtained through pve.

I played DAoC at 95% PvE probably ( I was a huge fan of Mythics and their older games like Aliens Online , Godzilla Online , Magestorm , Spellbinder ..ect. ) and I dont think I got to RR3 on any of my characters. DAoC had a good bit of PvE content prior to any expansions and I really loved Stonehenge Barrows.

And again ToA came out a year before WoW so it was all about taking players from EQ :). 

Im am just looking forward to running around Tamriel. My main draw is just the world and PvE.. PvP comes way past those but I do play that style from time to time I just aint crazy about it.

Yeah people tend to forget how good the PvE was. 

The Trials of Atlantis themselves weren't bad. They're some of the best raids in MMO history. DAoC raiding in general is some of the best raiding on the market. Or it was anyway. 

The thing is, DAoC kept it all in perfect balance. Until ToA and instancing. Then it was ruined. 

  hardicon

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1/31/13 1:53:18 PM#89

but what if you are not very interested in pvp but would rather explore the pve side of teso but since this guy made daoc and thought it was so awesome, even though it sold less copies than any of the other games around that time, and you know most of their budget is going to go into the pvp aspect with pve being just another boring wow clone.  what then, would we have the right to complain then.

 

they are taking a great sandbox singleplayer game and turning it into a wow clone with boring pvp.  go to one zone and fight forever, wow arena much.  that sounds so exciting, i better check my non existent stiffie.

  Zeblade

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1/31/13 2:16:03 PM#90

As with any MMO there are the few that will forever say it was the best MMO. If you want to see something in Elder Scrolls Online coming here and talking like a bunch of chickens :) does nothing. Talk to the Devs NOW don't wait till the game is lanuched and come back here and cry.

Pvp will not be like Daoc, may have parts but it will be something that brings in people. So let the past go and try to enjoy Elder Scrolls for what they want it to be or you will leave because its not like Daoc its just a wow clone blah blah.

As for wow dying ..very slowy but millions still PAY to play. So any new MMO will do what ever it takes to get MILLIONS to pay not just a tiny handful that like an old does not know its dead Daoc :D

  deakon

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1/31/13 2:28:08 PM#91
Originally posted by hardicon

but what if you are not very interested in pvp but would rather explore the pve side of teso but since this guy made daoc and thought it was so awesome, even though it sold less copies than any of the other games around that time, and you know most of their budget is going to go into the pvp aspect with pve being just another boring wow clone.  what then, would we have the right to complain then.

 

they are taking a great sandbox singleplayer game and turning it into a wow clone with boring pvp.  go to one zone and fight forever, wow arena much.  that sounds so exciting, i better check my non existent stiffie.

In what way is it a wow clone?

  hardicon

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1/31/13 2:51:08 PM#92

low level cap, themepark, end game gear treadmill.  no real endgame other than running 2 dungeons over and over until you get to run 2 more dungeons over and over.  pretty much the same model as wow. 

 

yeah i know all this hasnt been released but id be willing to bet my right testicle that is how its going to be.

  ShakyMo

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1/31/13 2:55:48 PM#93
So rvr doesn't count as an endgame activity?
  User Deleted
1/31/13 2:57:37 PM#94
Originally posted by ShakyMo
So rvr doesn't count as an endgame activity?

 

Not to PVE'ers.

 

  ShakyMo

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1/31/13 2:59:34 PM#95
Open dungeons, instanced dungeons, world raids, crafted gear equal to rvr / pve gear?
  Sephiroso

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1/31/13 3:00:04 PM#96
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by Vonatar

I played DAoC briefly. It wasn't my thing because I'm not really into pvp.

I have played every TES game since Daggerfall so what ZeniMax are releasing isn't in my eyes an Elder Scrolls MMO. Not saying it's going to be bad, it could well be awesome for those people that like RvRvR pvp and/or loved DAoC. It's just not the Elder Scrolls MMO I would like to see.

I wish everyone on this forum was like this. Not what he wants, but not willing to completely write it off as a catastrophic failure. Good show.

I would say someone who states pretty much they will not play it has "written the game off" more then those saying they dislike a particular feature (and honestly, I can't think of anything else about the game people dislike...but it is such a HUGE part of the game to dislike).

Of course you don't write with passion if you don't really care about the subject.

I see what you were saying, I was referring to the doom and gloom posters who say this game or that game will fail in a years time without any info or sources. Disliking the game is one thing ( I dislike a lot of highly populated games ) but that does not rain on the parade of a games success. GW2 is a good example, I don't like it, but it is a highly successful title.

It's just a breath of fresh air to see someone who won't play the game say he can say why others will enjoy it.

whats the difference between people who say this game or that game will fail in a years time without any info or sources and the people who say this game or that game will be the legendary wow killer in a years time without any info or sources?

 

not a one.


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  Nergle

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1/31/13 3:09:24 PM#97

Not that I am breaking any EULAs or anything but folks looking at this game to be another DAoC are in for a big suprise.

You can flame me and all that other good stuff for saying this but when open beta let's everyone in, I am going to quote what I just posted and the folks that flame me with a nice long thread titled "I told you so.".

 

Heed my words, this is not the second coming of DAoC.

  deakon

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1/31/13 3:17:03 PM#98
Originally posted by hardicon

low level cap, themepark, end game gear treadmill.  no real endgame other than running 2 dungeons over and over until you get to run 2 more dungeons over and over.  pretty much the same model as wow. 

 

yeah i know all this hasnt been released but id be willing to bet my right testicle that is how its going to be.

I love people saying themepark like TES games arent similar to themepark mmo's.

  Deivos

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1/31/13 3:42:49 PM#99
Originally posted by deakon

I love people saying themepark like TES games arent similar to themepark mmo's.

Because it's largely a matter of how you end up playing the single player title that dictates what it is.

 

There's a reason there was so much argument in the past over whether or not TES titles are themepark or sandbox.

If all you're doing is the quest lines, then that makes it feel like a themepark because you're essentially just following rails. The player makes those rails though.

It's quests with singular goals in many cases, but some of them have branching choices.

 

On top of that there is the matter of the greater game. What else can and does get achieved with the titles. There's a reason people have raked in 600+ hours on the titles, because there's more to the games than quest chains. There is much mouldability and creativity that can be achieved in the game alongside emergent gameplay aspects.

It's generally why the PC players are the longest lived fanbase for the series as well. The modding community that keeps tweaking and adding to the titles so they can have ongoing fun romping around each Elder Scrolls title.

 

So you can poke at a few similarities, but they are far from the complete game and far from describing what the games actually are.

 

Hence winding back to one of the common complaints, they have narrowed down the encompassing aspects of the game and appear to be creating a more finite experience to move through.

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  Sovrath

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1/31/13 3:56:55 PM#100
Originally posted by Deivos
Originally posted by deakon

I love people saying themepark like TES games arent similar to themepark mmo's.

Because it's largely a matter of how you end up playing the single player title that dictates what it is.

 

There's a reason there was so much argument in the past over whether or not TES titles are themepark or sandbox.

If all you're doing is the quest lines, then that makes it feel like a themepark because you're essentially just following rails. The player makes those rails though.

There's a lot of truth to that.

I remember someone comign to the general gaming forums here and wondering what the big deal was as he "beat" the game in 10 hours or some such thing.

I've also known a few people who didn't quite get the game and didn't get beyond a few levels.

For me I have over 650 hours and that's pretty much 4 characters, most of it is with my main character who is a bout to hit lvl 68.

Last night I logged in to evaluate my armor and weapons in order to get ready to go into Dragonborn next week. All I did was craft and try things out. That was 2 hours right there.

 

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