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  zomard100

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OP  1/08/13 6:20:50 AM#1
Is TESO now under attack like SWTOR a year ago?  I thinik i smell fear again from fanbase of   ''Most innovative, game of the century, the best of the best, no more grind, i want to live there''  game. People don't even know how this game looks and they write things like---Please do not believe them! Do not even  look ! They try to cheat you!  And most important we should not forget neverending wow comparison with any new title. Well i think that we will first destroy  our oil reserves before wow dies. Why are some people so afraid of TESO success?
  apocoluster

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1/08/13 6:28:50 AM#2
  I cant wait to play it..and Ill leave it at that. Hopefully it will be f2p..if not..ill wait till it is..about a 6 months to a year after launch.  Not mocking..just being a realist.

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  Caldrin

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1/08/13 6:31:07 AM#3

i think people are getting bored with the same old same old getting released over and over.. even if we get told they are new and innovative like GW2 LOL..

 

GW2 turned out to be basically the same as any other themepark MMO released over the last few years and lots of people are bored of that... really no idea how it got voted innovative game of the year or whatever haha..

 

 

They can see it happening again with this.. who knows tho..

 

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  coretex666

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1/08/13 6:34:07 AM#4

You think people are afraid of TESO success?

If so, then you completely misunderstood what is going on here, in my opinion.

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  Harafnir

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1/08/13 6:44:36 AM#5

So you are saying that SWTOR only did bad because of the evil plotting of some forum goes in an obscure gaming site? Not because of quality, gameplay, and developer descisions, but because some random people did not want it to suceed? And now you fear the same result, from the same random forum goers on the same small gaming site for ESO. In that way quickly dismissing the developers responisbility in what descisons they take? Good one... Good one...

Next, I expet you to say the earth is flat and 6000 years old and anyone that belive in evoluton and science are evil plotters as well, because that is how crazy you sound.

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  ShakyMo

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1/08/13 6:48:19 AM#6
Can't speak for TESO, never played it. Same applies to and fanbois or haters.

Swtor on the other hard is the single worst "mm"orpg I have ever played, ever.
  TsaboHavoc

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1/08/13 7:21:25 AM#7
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Can't speak for TESO, never played it. Same applies to and fanbois or haters.

Swtor on the other hard is the single worst "mm"orpg I have ever played, ever.

we never played, true fact, but we alerady have a big chunk of info, enough to see where this is going....

  Scarfe

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1/08/13 7:25:44 AM#8
Originally posted by coretex666

You think people are afraid of TESO success?

If so, then you completely misunderstood what is going on here, in my opinion.

Got to agree. People desperately want it to be a success, they just do not want to repeat the huge hype followed by disappointing mediocrity we had with GW2 or SWTOR. 

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  Coldren

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1/08/13 7:31:09 AM#9
Originally posted by TsaboHavoc

we never played, true fact, but we alerady have a big chunk of info, enough to see where this is going....

 

While I'm sure the inference engine of this site is PHENOMENAL, I tend to give more creedence to people who have actually played the game. Beyond that, I'll decide on my own when it's released.

A link, for your listening pleasure.

http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/2012/10/26/eso-teso-skyrim-elder-scrolls-bethesda-zenimax-elder-scrolls-online-dragonborn-episode-43-hands-on-with-eso/

 

 

  TsaboHavoc

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1/08/13 7:36:06 AM#10
Originally posted by Coldren
Originally posted by TsaboHavoc

we never played, true fact, but we alerady have a big chunk of info, enough to see where this is going....

 

While I'm sure the inference engine of this site is PHENOMENAL, I tend to give more creedence to people who have actually played the game. Beyond that, I'll decide on my own when it's released.

A link, for your listening pleasure.

http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/2012/10/26/eso-teso-skyrim-elder-scrolls-bethesda-zenimax-elder-scrolls-online-dragonborn-episode-43-hands-on-with-eso/

 

 

 do you want me to find a swtor podcast link  from a fanboy site? 

  dinams

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1/08/13 7:37:55 AM#11
For me its just a huge facepalm because ppl are falling to this due to the IP and not due to the game ,like SW:TOR

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  kabitoshin

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1/08/13 7:50:05 AM#12
I think this will be a good MMO for those who love Elder Scrolls. If you expect this to be anything new, you're probably going to be dissapointed.
  Coldren

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1/08/13 7:52:03 AM#13
Originally posted by TsaboHavoc
Originally posted by Coldren

While I'm sure the inference engine of this site is PHENOMENAL, I tend to give more creedence to people who have actually played the game. Beyond that, I'll decide on my own when it's released.

A link, for your listening pleasure.

http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/2012/10/26/eso-teso-skyrim-elder-scrolls-bethesda-zenimax-elder-scrolls-online-dragonborn-episode-43-hands-on-with-eso/

 do you want me to find a swtor podcast link  from a fanboy site? 

While I'm sure you'll find many, please be certain that you find the ones that are from the alpha stage, and have a great amount of detail, with adequate references.

And the intended tone of your post was not unnoticed. I am indeed an Elder Scrolls "Fanboy". I would expect people who liked Star Wars or previous Star Wars games to have a more favorable opinion of SWTOR.

As I'm sure you will not bother to listen, allow me to summarize:  They had several hours to play the game, and the overall feeling is that It has a lot of common traits with Skyrim, only better. If you did not like Skyrim, I would not expect you to like this either. Tell me: What did SWTOR have to compare itself to? The movies? WoW? KOTOR (Which everyone knew this game wouldn't be like from the outset)? Or is there some other decade plus spanning game-based legacy that I am unaware of?

If you don't think the concerns of fans of the Elder Scrolls series were voiced adequately at the annoucement, I suggest you review a lot of the initial posts after the fanfare. These particular fanboys who were intially fearful did a complete 180 after having actually played it. These fanboys made many direct references to Skyrim (In great detail), something that I am intimately familiar with, which gives it more substance than the puff PR pieces we've received so far.

Listen to it. Or not. But until you hear the detail from people who have seen the game first hand, you are, as the majority of people here are who have not actually played it, under-informed.

  hardicon

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1/08/13 8:05:18 AM#14

nah op i think people are tired of wow clones which it appears elder scrolls is going to be another one. 

 

take a really awesome sandbox single player game, make it a themepark wow style mmo.  I think that pretty much says fail right there. 

but im pretty sure it will sell alot of copies, then one month later people will be max level and bored with the game and waiting for that mythical endgame they promised, just like swtor, tsw, and every other themepark mmo wow wanna be.  the devs had a chance to make a true elder scrolls game and they made wow in tamriel.

im not gonna get it solely for that reason, im boycotting new mmos till devs and bankers and investors and anyone else get off their ass and quit trying to copy a 8 year old game.  maybe when that happens mmos will get better but as long as we have retarded devs copying wow this industry is going to be stale and stagnant.  you havent had a single game in the last 8 years that was truly different,  it has all been wow with different skins.

  Phry

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1/08/13 8:10:56 AM#15
Originally posted by Coldren
Originally posted by TsaboHavoc
Originally posted by Coldren

While I'm sure the inference engine of this site is PHENOMENAL, I tend to give more creedence to people who have actually played the game. Beyond that, I'll decide on my own when it's released.

A link, for your listening pleasure.

http://elderscrollsotr.mymiddleearth.com/2012/10/26/eso-teso-skyrim-elder-scrolls-bethesda-zenimax-elder-scrolls-online-dragonborn-episode-43-hands-on-with-eso/

 do you want me to find a swtor podcast link  from a fanboy site? 

While I'm sure you'll find many, please be certain that you find the ones that are from the alpha stage, and have a great amount of detail, with adequate references.

And the intended tone of your post was not unnoticed. I am indeed an Elder Scrolls "Fanboy". I would expect people who liked Star Wars or previous Star Wars games to have a more favorable opinion of SWTOR.

As I'm sure you will not bother to listen, allow me to summarize:  They had several hours to play the game, and the overall feeling is that It has a lot of common traits with Skyrim, only better. If you did not like Skyrim, I would not expect you to like this either. Tell me: What did SWTOR have to compare itself to? The movies? WoW? KOTOR (Which everyone knew this game wouldn't be like from the outset)? Or is there some other decade plus spanning game-based legacy that I am unaware of?

If you don't think the concerns of fans of the Elder Scrolls series were not voiced adequately at the annoucement, I suggest you review a lot of the initial posts after the fanfare. These particular fanboys who were intially fearful did a complete 180 after having actually played it. These fanboys made many direct references to Skyrim (In great detail), something that I am intimately familiar with, which gives it more substance than the puff PR pieces we've received so far.

Listen to it. Or not. But until you hear the detail from people who have seen the game first hand, you are, as the majority of people here are who have not actually played it, under-informed.

Not sure which elements of ESO is similar to Skyrims tbh, theres nothing have seen/heard so far that would lead me to believe that is in any way true? and making references to skyrim is not the same as being like it in any way, and from what i heard, they werent exactly very convincing. Maybe once the game is somewhere closer to release and there is more information released we'll get an even better view of the game, but at the moment, the relation to TES is very thin, generally, and skyrim in particular, almost nonexistant. I would be very happy indeed if the game was in fact closer to the gameplay available in Skyrim, but its generally accepted that, that is not even being offered. 

  Coldren

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1/08/13 8:16:41 AM#16
Originally posted by Phry

Not sure which elements of ESO is similar to Skyrims tbh, theres nothing have seen/heard so far that would lead me to believe that is in any way true? and making references to skyrim is not the same as being like it in any way, and from what i heard, they werent exactly very convincing. Maybe once the game is somewhere closer to release and there is more information released we'll get an even better view of the game, but at the moment, the relation to TES is very thin, generally, and skyrim in particular, almost nonexistant. I would be very happy indeed if the game was in fact closer to the gameplay available in Skyrim, but its generally accepted that, that is not even being offered. 

I completely understand your concerns and skepticism. There are some aspects I will also hold judgement on until I see it for myself, specifically RvR and crafting, as they did not get to experience these elements of the game.

However, if you listen to the provided podcast, they give many, many examples in detail about how TESO is like Skyrim (especially combat) and in some ways surpasses it. Give it a listen. It is 2 hours of details, which is a lot more than what can or has been put into text. If you need another reference from someone who was at this event, look up OMFGCata on Youtube, Jesse Cox. He also had a similiar reaction, but didn't provide as much detail as the people in the above podcast.

TsaboHavoc is correct in that they are obviously fans of the Elder Scrolls series, and Skyrim in particular. I am fine with that, because I am also an ES/Skyrim fanboy. I trust people who like what I already know I like to focus on the same aspects that I am interested in. They addressed them for me adequately enough for me not to be worried that TESO is, in fact, an Elder Scrolls game.

  Deivos

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1/08/13 8:31:26 AM#17

I had a hard time trying to listen to that podcast. After the first ten minutes of it they were still ass kissing.

 

I'm sure it's got plenty of valid and useful information, but it is not something that can't be put into text. HAving to spend two hours listsning to people talk and parse out all the meaningless babble is not a form of effort most are likely inclined to do.

 

If you had linked the FAQ that had been assembled a while back, that might fare better. People can not only handle it as they are just going through the Q&A, but they also have the capability to search out the specific things they want to know.

 

For example, 'how' is the game like Skyrim. If the answer only sits in the basic level of gameplay then that's something I'm honestly not content with. The simulation aspects that are developed and enhanced each subsequent generation of the system is just as important to me as anything else. The things Bethesda builds on and enhances in an effort to slowly push towards a better semblance of a living world, where the NPCs have a life to them that exists apart from the player and gives users a sense that even in their absence the world is moving.

 

So it becomes the question of did TESO inherit the concept of radiant AI from Skyrim as well. Was it granted the opportunity to take the tools it's predecessors were built on and expand them? Might we see a Skyrim Plus, where flora and fauna incorporate a seasonal lifecycle that the NPCs interact with?

 

If it falls back to 'I can with things with my weapon when I click my mouse button.' then I have to note that such a correlation means games like DDO are then too 'like Skyrim'.

 

Is it the skill system? Because from what we were previously told by the devs it wasn't. We had a core set of skills our classes were proficient in and the equipent we combined with that would give us personal flavor.

And consequently was it skill progression? Because that too from past press releases painted a very different picture from the Elder Scrolls series. Skyrim included.

 

At what level fundamentally is this game 'like' Skyrim. The basic bullet points that bridges the gap.

 

EDIT: Got a couple answers out of that second video actually.

 

1) Combat is superficially like Skyrim in that it operates via your mouse. Beyond that though the similarity stops in favor of other game mechanics like the hotbar and more so combos. Apparently there's a lot of mix and matching with abilities between people that can be done.

 

2) AI takes a step up in one way, and a step back in all the rest. They are not dynamic in their lifecycles as far as I could tell, since the world itself is designed to be pushed along via a character centric narrative and the heavy use of phasing, a 'living world' isn't really achievable. What they instead focused on was making them more dynamic in just combat, allowing the mobs to utilize combos between one another to throw unexpected strategies at you that no single mob could pull off.

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  sapphen

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1/08/13 8:58:42 AM#18
Originally posted by Caldrin

i think people are getting bored with the same old same old getting released over and over.. even if we get told they are new and innovative like GW2 LOL..

GW2 turned out to be basically the same as any other themepark MMO released over the last few years and lots of people are bored of that... really no idea how it got voted innovative game of the year or whatever haha..

They can see it happening again with this.. who knows tho..

I agree with you and I actually like GW2.  They have been one of the most innovated AAA title released so far but even that wasn't enough (although the game is doing better than most other mmos atm).

I wish some of these IPs (SWTOR, ESO) would stop trying to make an MMO and just make an online game in a persistant world you can enjoy with your friends.  MMOs has such stale standards, we all enjoyed and loved what it was but we've evolved even if the industry refuses to do so.

  Coldren

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1/08/13 9:00:02 AM#19
Originally posted by Deivos

I had a hard time trying to listen to that podcast. After the first ten minutes of it they were still ass kissing.

 - If people who like Skyrim fanboys/Fanatics, etc.,  are "ass kissing" this game, and I like Skyrim equally as much, than that is, for me, a good indicator. They make point-by-point comparisons between Skyrim and TESO, and for me, that's better than anything I've read to date.  I understand if you are not that big a fan of Skyrim that this would seem as a negative point, but to someone like me, who likes the game, this is not a bad thing. They do go into great detail.. Great, great detail.

I'm sure it's got plenty of valid and useful information, but it is not something that can't be put into text. HAving to spend two hours listsning to people talk and parse out all the meaningless babble is not a form of effort most are likely inclined to do.

 - I will do my best to  respond to your questions below, but to summarize 2 hours of speech into a coherent text wall is a bit time consuming. You can say more in 2 hours than you can read or write, so that is a consideration.

If you had linked the FAQ that had been assembled a while back, that might fare better. People can not only handle it as they are just going through the Q&A, but they also have the capability to search out the specific things they want to know.

 - Which FAQ is this? Can you link to it for me? I haven't seen one that has the detail found in this podcast.

For example, 'how' is the game like Skyrim. If the answer only sits in the basic level of gameplay then that's something I'm honestly not content with. The simulation aspects that are developed and enhanced each subsequent generation of the system is just as important to me as anything else. The things Bethesda builds on and enhances in an effort to slowly push towards a better semblance of a living world, where the NPCs have a life to them that exists apart from the player and gives users a sense that even in their absence the world is moving.

 - Combat, for example. They couldn't stop comparing how combat was like Skyrim. Sneaking, dual wielding, left and right click, the fact that they're working on first person POV that shows the hands like Skyrim. You don't HAVE to tab target, but it is an option. Combat is supposedly as fluid as Skyrim, even though there are abilities with cooldowns, to the point the podcasters didn't notice the cooldowns at all.

You can loot items found in the world, just like Skyrim, and it works because each item found in the world is phased, so if I pick up a soul gem in a house and you go into the same house, you'll see the same soul gem and be able to pick it up.

There are no quest hubs, and quests from NPCs are discovered just like they are in Skyrim (Don't think there were any quest indicators mentioned, but I might have overlooked it).

The map looks and works like Skyrim.

Kill Cams are in.

They keep saying it looks better than Skyrim (They were in Skyrim and Morrowind for the demo).

Skills contribute to level, and you can pick up any skills and wear any armor, even though they have classes  just like Skyrim. Armor and weapons have strengths and weakneses akin to Skyrim (Cloth has magical bonuses, mostly, heavy armor not so much, but you can mix and match pieces).

Health/Magicka/Stamina, as has already been explained, but putting points into these does more than they do in Skyrim, adding pasive bonuses and contributing to active abilities. For example, adding to Magicka will also increase your resistances, while some attacks do more damage based on Stamina.

These are just a few examples I am trying to catch as I relisten to it.

So it becomes the question of did TESO inherit the concept of radiant AI from Skyrim as well. Was it granted the opportunity to take the tools it's predecessors were built on and expand them? Might we see a Skyrim Plus, where flora and fauna incorporate a seasonal lifecycle that the NPCs interact with?

 - This was not discussed, as I imagine this would take a bit of time to evaluate properly.

If it falls back to 'I can with things with my weapon when I click my mouse button.' then I have to note that such a correlation means games like DDO are then too 'like Skyrim'.

Is it the skill system? Because from what we were previously told by the devs it wasn't. We had a core set of skills our classes were proficient in and the equipent we combined with that would give us personal flavor.

- Any class can use any skill, weapon, or armor. The abilities vary based on class, so while a dragon knight class might have one attack ability with a 1 handed sword, the 1 handed ability on a mage class will likely be different, but from the discussion in the podcast, it's still completely viable, but not the same. They can still left click right click, but the active abilities (Hotbar attacks) differ.

And consequently was it skill progression? Because that too from past press releases painted a very different picture from the Elder Scrolls series. Skyrim included.

 - Yes, skills contribute to level like in Skyrim, but they are not the only factor. Gaining in 1 handed will help you level, but so will quests and kills, so it's kind of a hybrid from what I can discern from the conversation. But also, individual skills and abilities level up. So for example, if you have a certain active skill when you equip a one handed weapon, the more you use that skill, that skill levels up and gets better.

At what level fundamentally is this game 'like' Skyrim. The basic bullet points that bridges the gap.

I hope this addresses a few of your questions. I agree, it's not always easy to listen to, but for the patient, there is a lot of good detail in it.

[Edited for grammer and 2 incorrect statements.. So far. :) ].

  sapphen

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1/08/13 9:07:43 AM#20
Originally posted by kabitoshin
I think this will be a good MMO for those who love MMOs.  If you expect this to be anything new, you're probably going to be dissapointed.

Fixed that quote for you.  I doubt that fans of Elder Scrolls will enjoy this game.  If I'm not mistaken the developers have already said that this game is not for TES fans but for people who play MMOs.  Which is kind of a stupid move imo, the mmo market is doing terrible now.

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