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username509 Novice Member Joined: 3/22/10 Posts: 669	5/08/12 5:08:18 PM#1 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I was hoping Elderscrolls Online would be like a big budget Mortal Online, sadly it's just another Themepark MMO. Its not going to be like Skyrim or Mortal. Its not even going to be a sandbox MMO. It's just yet another Themepark game with Elderscrolls lore. This article from sandboxer pretty much sums it up. http://sandboxer.org/?p=912 We either have to wait for the Skyrim mutliplayer mod to get good, or continue to play Mortal Online. This is not the game sandbox gamers were waiting for. Never trust a screenshot or a youtube video without a version stamp!
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ShakyMo Elite Member Joined: 11/21/11 Posts: 6821	5/08/12 5:41:27 PM#2 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks
AdamTM Advanced Member Joined: 5/05/05 Posts: 1395 I'M PUNCHING YOUR SALAD!!!!	5/08/12 5:51:25 PM#3 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ShakyMo neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed.
stevebmbsqd Novice Member Joined: 9/26/09 Posts: 457 "Evolution thru Revolution"	5/08/12 5:52:48 PM#4 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ShakyMo neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Sure it is....at least to the rest of the world. You are welcome to have your own opinion, but just don't expect that anyone else will share that opinion with you.
Xzen Advanced Member Joined: 5/01/06 Posts: 2546 A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands. - Seneca	5/08/12 5:53:49 PM#5 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by AdamTM *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. My theme song.
stevebmbsqd Novice Member Joined: 9/26/09 Posts: 457 "Evolution thru Revolution"	5/08/12 5:56:55 PM#6 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Xzen *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. No he's not. I hate to break the news to you....
Xzen Advanced Member Joined: 5/01/06 Posts: 2546 A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands. - Seneca	5/08/12 5:59:25 PM#7 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by stevebmbsqd *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. No he's not. I hate to break the news to you.... It's not news to me. I know what sandbox means. You can buy into the marketing BS if you like. My theme song.
PyrateLV Tipster Joined: 11/07/08 Posts: 1106	5/08/12 6:00:11 PM#8 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Skyrim is a hybrid of Themepark and Sandbox TESO is straight up Themepark Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
AdamTM Advanced Member Joined: 5/05/05 Posts: 1395 I'M PUNCHING YOUR SALAD!!!!	5/08/12 6:02:02 PM#9 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Xzen *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. Good luck with that.
stevebmbsqd Novice Member Joined: 9/26/09 Posts: 457 "Evolution thru Revolution"	5/08/12 6:02:08 PM#10 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Xzen *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. No he's not. I hate to break the news to you.... It's not news to me. I know what sandbox means. You can buy into the marketing BS if you like. It's not marketing BS. It is another name for non linear, unrestricted game play where a player can play as he sees fit. Open world refers to an environment that is unrestricted.... not the game mechanics which would be a sandbox.
Ridan477 Novice Member Joined: 5/07/12 Posts: 48 "My names Commander Shepard and this is my favorite site on the internet" - Commander Shepard	5/08/12 6:02:29 PM#11 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Sandbox games just arent as popular as themepark ones and bethseda wants to make a big game and hopfully ride the wave of skyrim into mmo success. I think if its something close to skyrim on the exploration and story side then it will probably be popular. Not to sure on how the combat is going to work out but i guess we will see. Scoobin it up on the daily.
Xzen Advanced Member Joined: 5/01/06 Posts: 2546 A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands. - Seneca	5/08/12 6:03:34 PM#12 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by stevebmbsqd *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. No he's not. I hate to break the news to you.... It's not news to me. I know what sandbox means. You can buy into the marketing BS if you like. It's not marketing BS. It is another name for non linear, unrestricted game play where a player can play as he sees fit. Open world refers to an environment that is unrestricted.... not the game mechanics which would be a sandbox. That's the marketing BS definition. My theme song.
Xzen Advanced Member Joined: 5/01/06 Posts: 2546 A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands. - Seneca	5/08/12 6:04:34 PM#13 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by PyrateLV Skyrim is a hybrid of Themepark and Sandbox TESO is straight up Themepark ^This is more accurate. My theme song.
AdamTM Advanced Member Joined: 5/05/05 Posts: 1395 I'M PUNCHING YOUR SALAD!!!!	5/08/12 6:05:00 PM#14 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Xzen *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. No he's not. I hate to break the news to you.... It's not news to me. I know what sandbox means. You can buy into the marketing BS if you like. It's not marketing BS. It is another name for non linear, unrestricted game play where a player can play as he sees fit. Open world refers to an environment that is unrestricted.... not the game mechanics which would be a sandbox. That's the marketing BS definition. So now the meaning of a word is a conspiracy? Oh mmorpg.com you never cease to amaze me...
Xzen Advanced Member Joined: 5/01/06 Posts: 2546 A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands. - Seneca	5/08/12 6:08:02 PM#15 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by AdamTM *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. No he's not. I hate to break the news to you.... It's not news to me. I know what sandbox means. You can buy into the marketing BS if you like. It's not marketing BS. It is another name for non linear, unrestricted game play where a player can play as he sees fit. Open world refers to an environment that is unrestricted.... not the game mechanics which would be a sandbox. That's the marketing BS definition. So now the meaning of a word is a conspiracy? Oh mmorpg.com you never cease to amaze me... The only thing required to be a sandbox is the use of ones imagination and the ability to create or alter the game world as part of the game's mechanics. It has nothing to do with being non-linear, skill progression, or Full loot PvP. All those things lend themselves well to a sandbox but do not make a sandbox what it is. My theme song.
AdamTM Advanced Member Joined: 5/05/05 Posts: 1395 I'M PUNCHING YOUR SALAD!!!!	5/08/12 6:12:17 PM#16 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Xzen *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. No he's not. I hate to break the news to you.... It's not news to me. I know what sandbox means. You can buy into the marketing BS if you like. It's not marketing BS. It is another name for non linear, unrestricted game play where a player can play as he sees fit. Open world refers to an environment that is unrestricted.... not the game mechanics which would be a sandbox. That's the marketing BS definition. So now the meaning of a word is a conspiracy? Oh mmorpg.com you never cease to amaze me... The only thing required to be a sandbox is the use of ones imagination and the ability to create or alter the game world as part of the game's mechanics. It has nothing to do with being non-linear, skill progression, or Full loot PvP. All those things lend themselves well to a sandbox but do not make a sandbox what it is. Do tell me more. Where is this definition coming from? Who agrees with this definition?
stevebmbsqd Novice Member Joined: 9/26/09 Posts: 457 "Evolution thru Revolution"	5/08/12 6:13:23 PM#17 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Xzen *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. No he's not. I hate to break the news to you.... It's not news to me. I know what sandbox means. You can buy into the marketing BS if you like. It's not marketing BS. It is another name for non linear, unrestricted game play where a player can play as he sees fit. Open world refers to an environment that is unrestricted.... not the game mechanics which would be a sandbox. That's the marketing BS definition. So now the meaning of a word is a conspiracy? Oh mmorpg.com you never cease to amaze me... The only thing required to be a sandbox is the use of ones imagination and the ability to create or alter the game world as part of the game's mechanics. It has nothing to do with being non-linear, skill progression, or Full loot PvP. All those things lend themselves well to a sandbox but do not make a sandbox what it is. It has everything to do with being non-linear. Being able to build something or destroy something can enhance the sandbox or might be included in a sandbox, but it is not required. You are trying to take a literal definition of the sand. You need to open your mind. The sand is the world and the NPC's and you are free to choose how you play. That is what makes it a sandbox. When you play in a sandbox as a kid, there are limitless possiblities. Just like there are when you play Skyrim. And for your information, you can create and alter the world in Skyrim through your actions.
Distopia Drifter Joined: 11/22/05 Posts: 12050 Give it a rest	5/08/12 6:14:43 PM#18 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by stevebmbsqd It has everything to do with being non-linear. Being able to build something or destroy something can enhance the sandbox or might be included in a sandbox, but it is not required. You are trying to take a literal definition of the sand. You need to open your mind. The sand is the world and the NPC's and you are free to choose how you play. That is what makes it a sandbox. When you play in a sandbox as a kid, there are limitless possiblities. Just like there are when you play Skyrim. And for your information, you can create and alter the world in Skyrim through your actions. DO you realize where the gaming term came from? Free build RTS modes.... For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. Waiting on The Repopulation.
Xzen Advanced Member Joined: 5/01/06 Posts: 2546 A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands. - Seneca	5/08/12 6:20:39 PM#19 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by stevebmbsqd *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by stevebmbsqd* *Originally posted by Xzen* *Originally posted by AdamTM* *Originally posted by ShakyMo* neithers skyrim BOTH are open world exploring based theme parks Still trying to redefine that word i see. Keep trying maybe someday someone you will succeed. He's not redefining it. He's reclaiming it from the marketing people that started using it. He's also correct. No he's not. I hate to break the news to you.... It's not news to me. I know what sandbox means. You can buy into the marketing BS if you like. It's not marketing BS. It is another name for non linear, unrestricted game play where a player can play as he sees fit. Open world refers to an environment that is unrestricted.... not the game mechanics which would be a sandbox. That's the marketing BS definition. So now the meaning of a word is a conspiracy? Oh mmorpg.com you never cease to amaze me... The only thing required to be a sandbox is the use of ones imagination and the ability to create or alter the game world as part of the game's mechanics. It has nothing to do with being non-linear, skill progression, or Full loot PvP. All those things lend themselves well to a sandbox but do not make a sandbox what it is. It has everything to do with being non-linear. Being able to build something or destroy something can enhance the sandbox or might be included in a sandbox, but it is not required. You are trying to take a literal definition of the sand. You need to open your mind. The sand is the world and the NPC's and you are free to choose how you play. That is what makes it a sandbox. When you play in a sandbox as a kid, there are limitless possiblities. Just like there are when you play Skyrim. And for your information, you can create and alter the world in Skyrim through your actions. You have it backwards. Being able to build, destroy, and alter the environment are what makes a sandbox a sandbox. All the rest of the things you mention are just ways to make it even better. The skill progression and ability to kill off NPC's is not what made UO a sandbox. My theme song.
PyrateLV Tipster Joined: 11/07/08 Posts: 1106	5/08/12 6:21:05 PM#20 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Heres a good opinion of what Sandbox gameplay means http://aggregame.com/news/2011/06/22/sandbox-game-what-does-this-mean/ I will state again, Sandbox does NOT refer to just being able to manipulate the games enviroment, but also how you can manipulate your character Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)