I dunno, Warhammer 40k got a pretty negative reception. It seems like it got a pretty negative reception for the same reason - departure from what the fans considered the core game.

Deserved or not, developers and publishers shouldn't really be surprised at this.

I hope this game gets cancelled

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Ikeda

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

The next Dark Age Of Camelot.

Spouting gibberish.

You people are dumb.  Every game is the next DAoC according to you people...

Stop pinning for the past you make yourself sound retarded.

The game will be the next Elder Scrolls, no more, no less.

actually more like a F8ck ton less.

They took an old broken down ford focus, stole a mercedes emblem from down the street slapped it on the focus.

Best damn analogy yet.

Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

I completely agree, its an insult to TES fans and another slap in the face to MMO gamers in general.  Simply another cash grab by a game company...one that somehow managed to convince Bethseda to sell them the rights for the game.

I hope as many others have said..that TES online gets cancelled the last thing i would play is a tab target instanced POS mmo that calls itself a TES game, when its not even a sandbox...its TES : Azeroth.

Everytime i discuss this game i get upset, again...cancelled is the best thing we can all expect from this heap of crap.

Originally posted by salenger

Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

I completely agree, its an insult to TES fans and another slap in the face to MMO gamers in general.  Simply another cash grab by a game company...one that somehow managed to convince Bethseda to sell them the rights for the game.

I hope as many others have said..that TES online gets cancelled the last thing i would play is a tab target instanced POS mmo that calls itself a TES game, when its not even a sandbox...its TES : Azeroth.

Everytime i discuss this game i get upset, again...cancelled is the best thing we can all expect from this heap of crap.

 Want to be more upset? No one convinced Bethesda to sell the rights for the game, Zenimax Online is making TESO and they are are a part of Zenimax which also owns Bethesda. It's all being done inhouse essentially.

My only real worry?  Are they going to make any single player Elder Scrolls games after this?  ES is a kind of legend on its own. 

One thing I've always loved about ES is that with every new game its a huge leap forward.  Graphically, play wise, really the whole thing.  Its the one series that actually gives me a visual stimuli on how technology is progressing.  I loved that. 

I like mmos just fine.  But not because they are mmos.  I just like games in general.  Other people playing?  Cool.  Not?  Cool.  I dont care.  I play a game mmo or not because its an escape from reality. 

But I never wanted an ES mmo.  Ever.  Its always had a magic all its own.  I never felt it really needed the mmo treatment.  I also smiled when Todd Howard said they had no interest in making an Elder Scrolls MMO shortly before Skyrim came out.  I shared the opinion.  So what the hell is this!?  This game had to be in development for awhile.  Why did Todd Howard lie?  It makes no sense! 

So an ES mmo can come and do its thing but if that means I dont get to enjoy any more ES single player sagas that seriously sucks.  Id trade a thousand mmos for the single player games to continue to evolve as they have always done and continue to be released. 

But I admit Im a bit of a hater in one regard.  I HATE it when single player franchises, specifically rpgs are made into mmos.  It really doesnt happen often.  Heck I cant even recall one.  So this really irks me.  The mmo will be dubbed down from its single player counterparts thats a given.  It wont have the same combat, and it wont have the same graphics. 

Has the Elder Scrolls franchise ever gone backwards?  No.  Until now.  WHY?  Because its an mmo the combat mechanics wont be the same.  The graphics will not be as good.  Its a step backwards mmo or not and Elder Scrolls has never done that. 

Like I said I dont care if they make an mmo of it as long as the single player games continue to be developed.  But if not?  That just sucks.  It sucks a lot. 

Originally posted by Corehaven
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People will be quick to assume NO WAY, but they are not thinking the way executives of a major media corporation think.

Brand is brand is brand.  You are only as good as your last project.  These two pillars will basically send TES hurtling into a problematic area. 

IF the MMO fails, which in all likelihood it will, then Zenimax may cut funding to TES VI and/or simply pushed the Fallout franchise to the forefront, not making any more TES games.

IF the MMO is successful, we might see some of the "typical MMO features" making their way into the single-player game.

Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea that TES and ESO are inextricably linked and that non-gaming executives generally don't see the subtle nuance between MMORPG and SPRPG.  They see only profit and loss.

Originally posted by Entinerint

Originally posted by Corehaven
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People will be quick to assume NO WAY, but they are not thinking the way executives of a major media corporation think.

Brand is brand is brand.  You are only as good as your last project.  These two pillars will basically send TES hurtling into a problematic area. 

IF the MMO fails, which in all likelihood it will, then Zenimax may cut funding to TES VI and/or simply pushed the Fallout franchise to the forefront, not making any more TES games.

IF the MMO is successful, we might see some of the "typical MMO features" making their way into the single-player game.

Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea that TES and ESO are inextricably linked and that non-gaming executives generally don't see the subtle nuance between MMORPG and SPRPG.  They see only profit and loss.

I think there is a good chance it will just be like sims online was...'oopsy, nevermind, lets go back to what we know'

Originally posted by salenger

Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

I completely agree, its an insult to TES fans and another slap in the face to MMO gamers in general.  Simply another cash grab by a game company...one that somehow managed to convince Bethseda to sell them the rights for the game.

I hope as many others have said..that TES online gets cancelled the last thing i would play is a tab target instanced POS mmo that calls itself a TES game, when its not even a sandbox...its TES : Azeroth.

Everytime i discuss this game i get upset, again...cancelled is the best thing we can all expect from this heap of crap.

Can you provide any facts as to this cash grab or is this one of those many sheepish posts trying to fit into this negative community.

Don't know if you noticed but every game is bashed on this site. No developer could ever cater to the people who frequent this site.

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Originally posted by salenger

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Originally posted by morlock9

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Can you provide any facts as to this cash grab or is this one of those many sheepish posts trying to fit into this negative community.

 

Don't know if you noticed but every game is bashed on this site. No developer could ever cater to the people who frequent this site.

You should check out the official ESO forums.  Most TES games are freaked out and drooled over, with a few nitpickers here and there but NOTHING, I tell you NOTHING has drawn so much ire from the fanbase as this.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Entinerint

Originally posted by Corehaven
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I think there is a good chance it will just be like sims online was...'oopsy, nevermind, lets go back to what we know'

In the immortal words of Lt. Ellen Ripley: "I hope you're right, I really do."

Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

...and you're basing that on the responses from the boards on this website?  No surprise there, knowing that many of the lurkers here are devoted to sandbox / action games.  I don't see much if any negativity on other websites in regards to the release, with exception to MMORPG.com as usual.

Paul Sage at Zenimax seems to realize it's a bit more than that, given what he said in a recent interview with game informer.  I would link it, but honestly, for some reason mmorpg.com is having problems formatting.

Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

...and you're basing that on the responses from the boards on this website?  No surprise there, knowing that many of the lurkers here are devoted to sandbox / action games.  I don't see much if any negativity on other websites in regards to the release, with exception to MMORPG.com as usual.

On the Bethesda forum there has been PLENTY of negative respose.  Sure there are the fanbois, like you probably, but many many people simply saying "This ain't an Elder Scrolls game!"
 

Want to know why?  Because TES is a sandbox game or for the effing zealous sandboxers, a hybrid sandbox...

I swear it's like the same 50 devs cycling around from company to company afflicting the world with shitty MMOs.

WE DON'T WANT THIS GAME!  STOP IT!

Originally posted by fadis

I swear it's like the same 50 devs cycling around from company to company afflicting the world with shitty MMOs.

WE DON'T WANT THIS GAME!  STOP IT!

 

 

I fear a few years from now they will conculde not that they make bad MMOs but rather 'MMOs have declined because people dont like MMOs'.

The bottom line for me is this -

Would people rather have :

a) an mmo that happens to be an ES game

or

b) an ES game that happens to be an mmo

There is a huge difference. Namely, that option a) plays like a typical mmo and b) plays like an actual ES game.

I'm pretty sure people would rather play an online ES game than a more-or-less typical mmo that utilizes ES lore.

If they do end up making a standard-style mmo, you have to ask yourself: what was the point in it being an ES game at all? (other than using the IP to generate interest)

should it be a sandbox ..sure

should they " cash in " on the theme park genra **from their point of view** sure..why not ..everyone else is doing it..from gw2 to swtor

their point of view.."everybody hurry!..get on the ship! ..theirs alot of people on here but i bet we can squeeze some more onto it!"... then the boat sinks....

Originally posted by odinsrath

should it be a sandbox ..sure

should they " cash in " on the theme park genra **from their point of view** sure..why not ..everyone else is doing it..from gw2 to swtor

their point of view.."everybody hurry!..get on the ship! ..theirs alot of people on here but i bet we can squeeze some more onto it!"... then the boat sinks....

what the are missing the fans of TES generally dont like those other types of games. Now if their stradgey is to bring in a completely different player base then they might be on to something but they will lose their core at least for this game specifically.

its like trying to make a soccer match into a basketball game and then be surprised when all your scoccer fans leave.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by odinsrath

should it be a sandbox ..sure

should they " cash in " on the theme park genra **from their point of view** sure..why not ..everyone else is doing it..from gw2 to swtor

their point of view.."everybody hurry!..get on the ship! ..theirs alot of people on here but i bet we can squeeze some more onto it!"... then the boat sinks....

what the are missing the fans of TES generally dont like those other types of games. Now if their stradgey is to bring in a completely different player base then they might be on to something but they will lose their core at least for this game specifically.

its like trying to make a soccer match into a basketball game and then be surprised when all your scoccer fans leave.

they could care less about fans...they see $$$

dont be soo dense...just because they would bring out an awfull game dosent mean thet everyone will stop buying their franchise...they will still contuine to bring out knockout titles on xbox / console / pc + with the income that this game will bring..will bring more income for better titles...and yes TESO will still be a hit ..reguardless what teh interwez says ..marketing rules all

Originally posted by odinsrath

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by odinsrath

should it be a sandbox ..sure

should they " cash in " on the theme park genra **from their point of view** sure..why not ..everyone else is doing it..from gw2 to swtor

their point of view.."everybody hurry!..get on the ship! ..theirs alot of people on here but i bet we can squeeze some more onto it!"... then the boat sinks....

what the are missing the fans of TES generally dont like those other types of games. Now if their stradgey is to bring in a completely different player base then they might be on to something but they will lose their core at least for this game specifically.

its like trying to make a soccer match into a basketball game and then be surprised when all your scoccer fans leave.

they could care less about fans...they see $$$

dont be soo dense...just because they would bring out an awfull game dosent mean thet everyone will stop buying their franchise...they will still contuine to bring out knockout titles on xbox / console / pc + with the income that this game will bring..will bring more income for better titles...and yes TESO will still be a hit ..reguardless what teh interwez says ..marketing rules all

oh I understand the basic idea but looking at it from pure dollars think about this:

1. The fan base for TES is very large, very prooven and works. Morrowind and Skyrim are both huge successes.

2. fans of other games are playing those other games, what does your game offer them as a reason to switch if its basiclaly the same?

3. you want to trash your existing fan base in hopes of getting a new fan base that is larger BUT its completely unfamilar terrortory for you. Your current fan base is large, proove, easy to understand

In cases like Darkfall I make the opposite argument. Their fan base is very small and generally speaking complain a lot so it makes sense to target a different audience for DF2. For TES I think that is not a good idea.

Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo

 

On the Bethesda forum there has been PLENTY of negative respose.  Sure there are the fanbois, like you probably, but many many people simply saying "This ain't an Elder Scrolls game!"
 

Want to know why?  Because TES is a sandbox game or for the effing zealous sandboxers, a hybrid sandbox...

"only fanbois" say anything positive. Fanboi's for a game and studio we know next to nothing about...