Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

The races, world , and story  are hardly original. Besides the lack of Hobbits I'm pretty sure you could pass this off as a Tolkien LOTR type game. So I say no. You would not recognize this game settign without it being LABELED for you.

Well that strikes your opinion as unfounded. As you can neither prove or disprove it, but hey if you come up with any winning lottery numbers let me know, at least then I could put your theory to the test (soonish). We'll have to wait a year to find out your other prediction

Originally posted by TangentPoint

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

If the game was going to be truly like Elder Scrolls Online than it would probably be a lot like Darkfall which most of you would totally whine about.

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Pretty much this.

The "true TES MMO" is there already, it is called Darkfall. You hate it too? Well, you only got what you asked for.

You're arguing a complete non-sequitur here.

Arguably, Darkfall is the closest to an Elder-Scrolls style MMO on the market right now, with Mortal Online arguably being in that same category. However, its play style isn't what has ailed DF since its launch. Its execution is. The on-going delays, communication blunders and promised updates that never arrive are.

To invoke DF as what a more open TES MMO would inevitably become is a serious stretch, and more than a little dishonest. Your argument seems to rely on others being mostly ignorant of DF's history and all its problems. You also completely ignore the important difference between something being well executed and poorly executed, which is really what DF's issues boil down to.

To put it simply, DF's problems do not stem from it being created around a more TES style of gameplay. They stem from myriad poor design decisions made and/or poor execution of those decisions. So, your argument simply doesn't follow that a MMO created in a more "traditional" TES style would inevitably end up like Darkfall.

 

 

 MO is the closest thing to a TES mmo released so far, However i dontrecommend people play it even thoguh i enjoy it and play it. The game is buggy, quite broken, demanding on preformance, with a low population and missing quite abit of content so it certainly isnt for the mass market. The expansion awakening will hopefully remedy much of this with, NPC ai guards (similar in function to the guards of skyrim) a whole new ai system with air and sea based mobs, glass blowing, tailoring, improved alchemy and pottery profesions added. More weapon balance and prediction fixes, lockpicking and finally dungeons to explore, whole new ui which should be alot better than current, arrow crafting and many performance fixes including the capitol finally opening up.

Darkfall, i never played it so i cant comment on how it plays, but i do know the devs never talk to thier community and the game is nothing like its original design.

release a MMORPG about TES without  the major features that make TES's games a huge sucess and is explain the reason why people are so negatively about this game.

the worst will be when they release  video of gameplay and we dont see the TES gameplay, because that will be the moment when people will lose the rest of hope on a TES gameplay.

i still see in this forum and in other forum that many people think this MMORPG wil have anything to do with TES...

i love skyrim and oblivion and i was hope for sometime they add co-op feature, but never tought make this game on a MMORPG.  

Originally posted by adam_nox

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

As a vocal opponent to the design decisions that are apparent from screenshots and available intel, I for one don't want to be lumped in with this sort of thinking, where we try to determine what the quality of the game will be, or the motivations of those producing it.  Bethesda is also not behind this decision, zenimax, their parent company is.  While zenimax can be blamed for bethesda's blunders, the opposite does not hold true.  Bethesda cannot control what Zenimax does.

 

It's quite possible the game will be executed well, and be a lot of fun.  To jump to the conclusion it won't be misses the point of the honest outrage about abandoning the traditional TES gameplay elements, and graphic style. 

 

 

Well said much respect to you sir.

i think swtor  left a bad taste in everyones mouth 

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

The problem is, that when people hear THE ELDER SCROLLS they thing an open ended game with many choices and things to do. ANd when people think about a TES mmo they think a SANDBOX mmo. Not a game that takes many of its Mechanics from WoW (a dev said this) Distopia you cant seem to comprehend that some people are pissed off with what they have seen so FAR. Im sure in  5 months my opininion might change. By zenimax had to have known comign out with a first reveal it was gonna leave a bad taste in alot of peoples mouth.s

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

The problem is, that when people hear THE ELDER SCROLLS they thing an open ended game with many choices and things to do. ANd when people think about a TES mmo they think a SANDBOX mmo. Not a game that takes many of its Mechanics from WoW (a dev said this) Distopia you cant seem to comprehend that some people are pissed off with what they have seen so FAR. Im sure in  5 months my opininion might change. By zenimax had to have known comign out with a first reveal it was gonna leave a bad taste in alot of peoples mouth.s

Not all people thought that TESO would be sandbox MMO. As far as open ended world , we are getting that with TESO.

It is sad that you are still stuck on WOW mechanics even though yesterday i asked you to prove it and all you got was the article from biggest troll site on the internet called Kotaku.

bethesda is NOT making this game its zenimax; bethesda is not bioware.

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

The problem is, that when people hear THE ELDER SCROLLS they thing an open ended game with many choices and things to do. ANd when people think about a TES mmo they think a SANDBOX mmo. Not a game that takes many of its Mechanics from WoW (a dev said this) Distopia you cant seem to comprehend that some people are pissed off with what they have seen so FAR. Im sure in  5 months my opininion might change. By zenimax had to have known comign out with a first reveal it was gonna leave a bad taste in alot of peoples mouth.s

Not all people think

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

The problem is, that when people hear THE ELDER SCROLLS they thing an open ended game with many choices and things to do. ANd when people think about a TES mmo they think a SANDBOX mmo. Not a game that takes many of its Mechanics from WoW (a dev said this) Distopia you cant seem to comprehend that some people are pissed off with what they have seen so FAR. Im sure in  5 months my opininion might change. By zenimax had to have known comign out with a first reveal it was gonna leave a bad taste in alot of peoples mouth.s

Not all people think or thought that TESO would be sandbox MMO. As far as open ended world , we are getting that with TESO.

It is sad that you are still stuck on WOW mechanics even though yesterday i asked you to prove it and all you got was the article from biggest troll site on the internet called Kotaku.

Its your own opinion that Kotaku is a bad site. I think other wise.

i bet blizzard are rolling on the floor laughing their asses off with this new Reveal, quite possibly the only real challenger WOW would of ever had has just revealed its self to be yet another imitator, dont they realise you cannot beat Blizzard at their own game. You wont win that way, thats blizzards way. Its what they have been doing for years and will keep on doing. Bethesda are good at making TES infact its a much beloved game series and the mechanics, lore ideas and freedom behind it is why players love it and constantly pester them for an mmo version. Instead Zenimax took the license and threw out all the reasons why TES has such a strong following and instead are trying to say, "look at us were just like WOW to, we have raids to, we have classes, come play our game if you like WOW you will love it"

Its pathetic, They fell right into the trap just like many developers before them.

Im not saying it will be poorly made, or not have osme fun features or sell relatively well. But what im saying is in a few months after realse it will be in the same boat as SWTOR, its a disapointment a real shame that they played it safe. They mutated the elder scrolls lore and mechanics to fit their WOW game and its a mutation. Deisgned soley for making cash and being forgotten a year after release.

Originally posted by deathshroud

 

 MO is the closest thing to a TES mmo released so far, However i dontrecommend people play it even thoguh i enjoy it and play it. The game is buggy, quite broken, demanding on preformance, with a low population and missing quite abit of content so it certainly isnt for the mass market. The expansion awakening will hopefully remedy much of this with, NPC ai guards (similar in function to the guards of skyrim) a whole new ai system with air and sea based mobs, glass blowing, tailoring, improved alchemy and pottery profesions added. More weapon balance and prediction fixes, lockpicking and finally dungeons to explore, whole new ui which should be alot better than current, arrow crafting and many performance fixes including the capitol finally opening up.

 

Darkfall, i never played it so i cant comment on how it plays, but i do know the devs never talk to thier community and the game is nothing like its original design.

Exactly.

And knowing those issues are what actually ail MO, you wouldn't argue that its issues are that it's a TES-style MMO, correct?

That's the argument Gd is making with DF, and that's what I'm addressing in my response to them. They're blaming DF's issues on being a TES-style game, while ignoring the myriad issues the game has been and still is plagued with, which are the actual reasons for its problems.

Originally posted by TangentPoint

Originally posted by deathshroud

 

 MO is the closest thing to a TES mmo released so far, However i dontrecommend people play it even thoguh i enjoy it and play it. The game is buggy, quite broken, demanding on preformance, with a low population and missing quite abit of content so it certainly isnt for the mass market. The expansion awakening will hopefully remedy much of this with, NPC ai guards (similar in function to the guards of skyrim) a whole new ai system with air and sea based mobs, glass blowing, tailoring, improved alchemy and pottery profesions added. More weapon balance and prediction fixes, lockpicking and finally dungeons to explore, whole new ui which should be alot better than current, arrow crafting and many performance fixes including the capitol finally opening up.

 

Darkfall, i never played it so i cant comment on how it plays, but i do know the devs never talk to thier community and the game is nothing like its original design.

Exactly.

And knowing those issues are what actually ail MO, you wouldn't argue that its issues are that it's a TES-style MMO, correct?

That's the argument Gd is making with DF, and that's what I'm addressing in my response to them. They're blaming DF's issues on being a TES-style game, while ignoring the myriad issues the game has been and still is plagued with, which are the actual reasons for its problems.

 

 yea the issues with the game have nothing to do with its concept or TES style of play, they are its strong points.

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

The problem is, that when people hear THE ELDER SCROLLS they thing an open ended game with many choices and things to do. ANd when people think about a TES mmo they think a SANDBOX mmo. Not a game that takes many of its Mechanics from WoW (a dev said this) Distopia you cant seem to comprehend that some people are pissed off with what they have seen so FAR. Im sure in  5 months my opininion might change. By zenimax had to have known comign out with a first reveal it was gonna leave a bad taste in alot of peoples mouth.s

Not all people think or thought that TESO would be sandbox MMO. As far as open ended world , we are getting that with TESO.

It is sad that you are still stuck on WOW mechanics even though yesterday i asked you to prove it and all you got was the article from biggest troll site on the internet called Kotaku.

Its your own opinion that Kotaku is a bad site. I think other wise.

And i am still waiting for you to show how TESO is another WOW clone, if anything TESO is a mix of ES series, DAOC and GW2.

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

The problem is, that when people hear THE ELDER SCROLLS they thing an open ended game with many choices and things to do. ANd when people think about a TES mmo they think a SANDBOX mmo. Not a game that takes many of its Mechanics from WoW (a dev said this) Distopia you cant seem to comprehend that some people are pissed off with what they have seen so FAR. Im sure in  5 months my opininion might change. By zenimax had to have known comign out with a first reveal it was gonna leave a bad taste in alot of peoples mouth.s

Not all people think or thought that TESO would be sandbox MMO. As far as open ended world , we are getting that with TESO.

It is sad that you are still stuck on WOW mechanics even though yesterday i asked you to prove it and all you got was the article from biggest troll site on the internet called Kotaku.

Its your own opinion that Kotaku is a bad site. I think other wise.

And i am still waiting for you to show how TESO is another WOW clone, if anything TESO is a mix of ES series, DAOC and GW2.

 How is it anything like DAOC? becuase it has Realm vs Realm? no, DAOC had sieges it had property to siege, castles to siege. TES has none of that, DAOC had brilliant siege mechanics and TES doesnt even have player owned buildings.

Didnt Warhammer online also have realm vs realm?

Originally posted by deathshroud

 How is it anything like DAOC? becuase it has Realm vs Realm? no, DAOC had sieges it had property to siege, castles to siege. TES has none of that, DAOC had brilliant siege mechanics and TES doesnt even have player owned buildings.

Didnt Warhammer online also have realm vs realm?

Is that a fact? OR a guess?

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by deathshroud

 How is it anything like DAOC? becuase it has Realm vs Realm? no, DAOC had sieges it had property to siege, castles to siege. TES has none of that, DAOC had brilliant siege mechanics and TES doesnt even have player owned buildings.

Didnt Warhammer online also have realm vs realm?

Is that a fact? OR a guess?

 they clearly stated there will not be palyer owned structures/buildings, so who exactly would you be sieging?

Originally posted by deathshroud

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

The problem is, that when people hear THE ELDER SCROLLS they thing an open ended game with many choices and things to do. ANd when people think about a TES mmo they think a SANDBOX mmo. Not a game that takes many of its Mechanics from WoW (a dev said this) Distopia you cant seem to comprehend that some people are pissed off with what they have seen so FAR. Im sure in  5 months my opininion might change. By zenimax had to have known comign out with a first reveal it was gonna leave a bad taste in alot of peoples mouth.s

Not all people think or thought that TESO would be sandbox MMO. As far as open ended world , we are getting that with TESO.

It is sad that you are still stuck on WOW mechanics even though yesterday i asked you to prove it and all you got was the article from biggest troll site on the internet called Kotaku.

Its your own opinion that Kotaku is a bad site. I think other wise.

And i am still waiting for you to show how TESO is another WOW clone, if anything TESO is a mix of ES series, DAOC and GW2.

 How is it anything like DAOC? becuase it has Realm vs Realm? no, DAOC had sieges it had property to siege, castles to siege. TES has none of that, DAOC had brilliant siege mechanics and TES doesnt even have player owned buildings.

Didnt Warhammer online also have realm vs realm?

It has three faction system like daoc, not everything regarding PVP has been revealed yet but since you can take over enemies capitals i am sure i won't be a simple smash and grab. If they are going with 3 realms i am sure there will be seiges since the lead designer of DAOC who coined the term 'realm vs realm' is working on TESO PVP.

Warhammer had realm vs realm and also seiges but it wasn't THREE faction system which makes DAOC what it is today, the most successful PVP MMO.

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Chrome1980

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Look at it this way... Would you recognize this game as part of the TES series if they didn't print the shiny letters on the box? No you woudl not at all. This game is just a cash grab using lazy MMO dev "tried and true" methods. I will probably not buy another TES title after this. I tend to take things one step further. If a company makes a terrible decision such as Bethesda has done then I boycott the company.

Seriously? That's your argument? The races, the world, the story, none of that could possibly be familiar to a fan ?

The problem is, that when people hear THE ELDER SCROLLS they thing an open ended game with many choices and things to do. ANd when people think about a TES mmo they think a SANDBOX mmo. Not a game that takes many of its Mechanics from WoW (a dev said this) Distopia you cant seem to comprehend that some people are pissed off with what they have seen so FAR. Im sure in  5 months my opininion might change. By zenimax had to have known comign out with a first reveal it was gonna leave a bad taste in alot of peoples mouth.s

Not all people think or thought that TESO would be sandbox MMO. As far as open ended world , we are getting that with TESO.

It is sad that you are still stuck on WOW mechanics even though yesterday i asked you to prove it and all you got was the article from biggest troll site on the internet called Kotaku.

Its your own opinion that Kotaku is a bad site. I think other wise.

And i am still waiting for you to show how TESO is another WOW clone, if anything TESO is a mix of ES series, DAOC and GW2.

IF you go to my campaign OP i corrected my statement on it being a WoW clone. It was a statement made out of anger.

Originally posted by deathshroud

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by deathshroud

 How is it anything like DAOC? becuase it has Realm vs Realm? no, DAOC had sieges it had property to siege, castles to siege. TES has none of that, DAOC had brilliant siege mechanics and TES doesnt even have player owned buildings.

Didnt Warhammer online also have realm vs realm?

Is that a fact? OR a guess?

 they clearly stated there will not be palyer owned structures/buildings, so who exactly would you be sieging?

I was asking, as all I saw was no player housing, not no keeps or points to fight over.