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Originally posted by psychoduck
Ok, can can dislike the PnC movement but saying it is badly done? Wish has the BEST PnC movement I've seen in a game, thanks the the great pathfinding engine

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Just to clarify, I feel the PnC movement is a poor example of PnC as it's quite unresponsive and requires far too many clicks. Moving in tight, obscured places (e.g inside buildings or dense woods) requires an extreme amount of clicking micromanagement. I can't jump on top of buildings, so why don't they become transparent if I move the camera back so I could select my target (in or outside) with one click? This is as much a camera issue as PnC. That's why I included it in a general "interface" point.

Also, when the game is lagging, using autorun, I've often found myself running in near random directions by the time my movement command is processed. Never had this problem in Lineage 2 (for example). I think that game must mask it's movement lag by responding instantly client-side or something (this way you can mask a lot of lag demons, loads of games do it) and "catching up" with the server later. Pure speculation there however. In Wish, even simple stuff like selecting menu options require lots of client/server interaction. I'm sure they could reduce this alot to make the game feel more responsive in general.

I do have confidence this stuff will improve though.

You can probably guarantee they will polish up the PNC control for the game if the devs are on the ball. But even so its still PNC and I see that as a negative regardless of how well implementented.

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Originally posted by Regus
make sure to post when it helps please so i can give it a try too, everything for a perfomance boost altough i am not having to much problems with the sound and i have a ati radeon 9600 so that's able to handle the minimum requirements.

One day all will die, surely you but never I.

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Originally posted by sygmas
You can probably guarantee they will polish up the PNC control for the game if the devs are on the ball. But even so its still PNC and I see that as a negative regardless of how well implementented.

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If you hate Wish so much, I just have to ask, why do you keep coming back?

Well i have not had time to download the second beta so no comment.

One thing that got me is the movement.As it is i prefer WASD but can play  PnC.

In first beta I found the PnC to be very buggy with horrible pathing of the character and mobs.

Well it was early beta so i knew it will still get worked on,

I did comment on it back then but to be my suprise i actually saw a wish website say the pathing was excellent giving the impression the pathing was so excellent it needed no further work.

So maybe it was just me.Now for those in the new phase of beta how do you find the movement and pathing?

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Originally posted by Orcc

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Originally posted by sygmas
You can probably guarantee they will polish up the PNC control for the game if the devs are on the ball. But even so its still PNC and I see that as a negative regardless of how well implementented.

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If you hate Wish so much, I just have to ask, why do you keep coming back?

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Because I want to.

I haven't had any problems with the PnC. If you're having problems getting where you need to go, then.. I don't know, you maybe just haven't got used to using it.

Also, when you're in a building, there is a handy command /leave which will make your avatar auto run out of the building.

This isn't even final Beta. There's still (at least) one more closed beta, and another open beta before release. Many of the game features aren't even implemented yet, the graphics still have work to do.

If you don't like the game now for these reasons, then just try the game out a little more. it's not supposed to be a grinding game. just go for a wander around the countryside, do a quest, chat to some people.
your skills will advance without you even noticing most of the time. there's no need to grind just for the sake of grinding.

even if there's things you don't like, thats the whole point of beta, to get rid of or fix the crap things, and improve the things which are good about it.

-it's just a dream-

I didnt read so much things about WISH thinking that ill be able to participate in the beta. I finally gotted the client and... Now I read forums to see what I have missed... Damn it! I wish WISH would have not been canceled. I really want to roleplay. I hope that SEED does not have such fate. The only mmorpg that does not include fighting. No ORCS. No DEMONS. just roleplaying and politics.

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Originally posted by zamoth_bg
I didnt read so much things about WISH thinking that ill be able to participate in the beta. I finally gotted the client and... Now I read forums to see what I have missed... Damn it! I wish WISH would have not been canceled. I really want to roleplay. I hope that SEED does not have such fate. The only mmorpg that does not include fighting. No ORCS. No DEMONS. just roleplaying and politics.

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why would you want to play a game like that?

White House Online? no thankyou

-it's just a dream-

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Originally posted by nephillim

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Originally posted by zamoth_bg
I didnt read so much things about WISH thinking that ill be able to participate in the beta. I finally gotted the client and... Now I read forums to see what I have missed... Damn it! I wish WISH would have not been canceled. I really want to roleplay. I hope that SEED does not have such fate. The only mmorpg that does not include fighting. No ORCS. No DEMONS. just roleplaying and politics.

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why would you want to play a game like that?

White House Online? no thankyou

-it's just a dream-

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Beta Tested: Lineage2,WoW
Trailed: Acherons Call 2, EVE online
Subscribed/Active: EVE online->Prakhgoth Lineage2 (freeserver)
Anticipate: GuildWars,SEED