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Dragon's Prophet Forum » General Discussion » Wait, this is an SOE game??

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  WNxbadboy3

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Joined: 2/28/08
Posts: 83

3/22/13 4:13:29 PM#21

^^

Thats why you should

 never pay to get beta access AT ALL. anyone who Falls for it is well ... you know.  i would't fall for it unless i know the full details!

  Torvaldr

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3/22/13 5:11:52 PM#22
Originally posted by Gormok
What I find strange is that they are giving away priority beta keys to people that show up to their PAX event, which are instant access keys by the way. Yet they are making the people that have spent money on the game, by buying the founders packs wait until a later date to get into the game. Now I can understand doing technical testing before letting people actually unto the servers. But to give instant access keys to any Jack of the Mill that shows up off the streets, is just plain unfair to those that paid for the game. But I guess it's cool since the founder's pack players are not making an issue out of it, if it was me on the other hand SOE would be doing some explaining or giving me an instant key. Just my opinion on the matter.

I wondered that too and it made me go, hmm.  However, they did publish that fact fairly quickly after advertising the packs and they've offered a refund option for anyone that is pissed off.  Not bad really.  Kind of like ANets refund policy on GW2.

I could kind of understand if they made a logistics mistake internally somewhere and they already have the keys allocated, but it seems kind of stupid how they're handling it.

In any event I'll wait to buy a pack, if I get one, until closer to the beta dates the packs promise.  I still have a beta request in and will see where that goes.  If the game is as interesting as it looks to me then I'll buy one.  I've wanted to play a dragon game that looks this cool since the Legend of the Dragoons.

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  Gormok

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3/22/13 6:04:55 PM#23
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Gormok
What I find strange is that they are giving away priority beta keys to people that show up to their PAX event, which are instant access keys by the way. Yet they are making the people that have spent money on the game, by buying the founders packs wait until a later date to get into the game. Now I can understand doing technical testing before letting people actually unto the servers. But to give instant access keys to any Jack of the Mill that shows up off the streets, is just plain unfair to those that paid for the game. But I guess it's cool since the founder's pack players are not making an issue out of it, if it was me on the other hand SOE would be doing some explaining or giving me an instant key. Just my opinion on the matter.

I wondered that too and it made me go, hmm.  However, they did publish that fact fairly quickly after advertising the packs and they've offered a refund option for anyone that is pissed off.  Not bad really.  Kind of like ANets refund policy on GW2.

I could kind of understand if they made a logistics mistake internally somewhere and they already have the keys allocated, but it seems kind of stupid how they're handling it.

In any event I'll wait to buy a pack, if I get one, until closer to the beta dates the packs promise.  I still have a beta request in and will see where that goes.  If the game is as interesting as it looks to me then I'll buy one.  I've wanted to play a dragon game that looks this cool since the Legend of the Dragoons.

Yeah they do seem to be communicating with the player base about what's going on with the beta, and to offer refunds on top of that is a good gesture. I applied for both the EU and NA betas, have yet to get into either one. I have been following both the EU and NA versions and EU seems to be moving along quiet nicely although you still have to wait for those access keys. I understand SOE wanting to be careful and not having things breakdown or go haywire during the testing, we all know how players react when things don't run smoothly even though they know full well that they are in a testing phase.

  Zarriya

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3/22/13 6:08:55 PM#24
I have been playing SOE games for at least 5 years, and I have had nothing but good luck with them as a gaming company.

  wowclones

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3/22/13 7:36:04 PM#25
yes so you know what to expect ;)
  rojoArcueid

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3/23/13 9:20:58 AM#26
Originally posted by Mdpats
I'm out!

kthxbye

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  BahamutKaiser

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On hiatus for a while guys, MMOs still aren't interesting me.

3/23/13 11:10:07 PM#27

SoE did a terrible job of communicating player interest to the developers back when I played FFXI, and Dragon's Prophet is done by another foreign company.

But that was over 12 years ago... I'm sure everythings different by now. The good thing is it's F2P, so if there is some glaring flaws, I'll know about it before I pay anything, Good ole F2P bait...

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  OG_Zorvan

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3/23/13 11:42:31 PM#28
Originally posted by BahamutKaiser

SoE did a terrible job of communicating player interest to the developers back when I played FFXI, and Dragon's Prophet is done by another foreign company.

But that was over 12 years ago... I'm sure everythings different by now. The good thing is it's F2P, so if there is some glaring flaws, I'll know about it before I pay anything, Good ole F2P bait...

The Final Fantasy games are Square-Enix, not SOE.

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  Distopia

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3/23/13 11:46:39 PM#29
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Redemp
Is it still hip to hate SoE? I thought the bandwagon had shifted to Blizzard or EA, bad hipster .. bad.

I think the true hipsters would like SoE now, so when EQN is a success they can say they liked SoE long before EQN and that SoE is overrated now

ROFL

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  Tuchaka

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3/23/13 11:52:55 PM#30
   Never been a fan of SOE's but since they didn't make this game i will give it a shot.
  fiontar

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3/25/13 5:24:23 AM#31

SOE has a long history of ruining any MMO they've ever touched. However, PS2 and now Dragon's Prophet give me some tiny glimmer of hope that after more than a decade of being one of the worst MMO publishers on the planet maybe, just maybe, they've gotten their act together.

The game is free to play, so even the most hardened SOE detractor can give it a try when it releases with out putting any unearned coin in the SOE coffers.

One of their previous brushes with success was the kid friendly Freerealms which went from being one of the fastest growing Western MMOs ever to fizzling out to an after thought when SOE decided to change the business model a few months in from pretty optional cash shop items and services to one that required cash shop purchases to be playable. That was wwhen I went from severe SOE skeptic/critic to just abandoning all hope for them and promply ignoring any MMO they had even the slightest association with.

I'll be trying PS2 soon and yes, I will watch the development of DP with some sliver of hope.

BTW, there is a video some where on youtube promoting the game with the lead Taiwanese Developer and someone from SOE. I had to chuckle at the way the developer's eyes glazed over when ever the SOE guy was talking. I wonder if he's regreting  the deal with SOE to publish the game? I just hope SOE will keep their hands out of the development process and not ruin the game's prospects with greedy, unfair cash shop mechanisms for the title.

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  Caldrin

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3/25/13 6:10:13 AM#32

they dont have a long history..

They messed up one of their games.. SWG and it might not have been SOE who wanted to make the changes but LA who forced it upon them we just dont know..

Other than that their main games EQ and EQ2 have been pretty good and some of the best MMORPGs on the market. Planetside was pretty good but the engine was not the best.. but PS2 is a lot better :)

Vanguard they could have done more with but it was not really their game.. it seems to be picknig up a bit now tho..

Matrix online was just bad from the start anyway.. why SOE brought that i dont know LOL..

 

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  Zen_Blade

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3/28/13 12:30:39 PM#33
Originally posted by Mdpats
I'm out!

Can I have your stuff?  Oh wait...

  Gravarg

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3/29/13 1:13:43 AM#34

Sadly, SOE is still on my perma-ban list.  If they were the last MMO company on the face of the planet, I guess I'd have to quit playing games lol.  There's more than one occasion where SOE has done really bad stuff...pretty much every game they've touched they've ruined it within a year or two.

 

SOE will always be on my perma-ban, I don't care if they paid me to play thier game...nothing SOE goes on my hard drive, period :)

  User Deleted
4/01/13 1:13:33 PM#35
Originally posted by Gravarg

Sadly, SOE is still on my perma-ban list.  If they were the last MMO company on the face of the planet, I guess I'd have to quit playing games lol.  There's more than one occasion where SOE has done really bad stuff...pretty much every game they've touched they've ruined it within a year or two.

 

SOE will always be on my perma-ban, I don't care if they paid me to play thier game...nothing SOE goes on my hard drive, period :)

 

name one game not named SWG they ruined.   You can't.  

  User Deleted
4/03/13 9:49:24 PM#36
Originally posted by William12
Originally posted by Gravarg

Sadly, SOE is still on my perma-ban list.  If they were the last MMO company on the face of the planet, I guess I'd have to quit playing games lol.  There's more than one occasion where SOE has done really bad stuff...pretty much every game they've touched they've ruined it within a year or two.

 

SOE will always be on my perma-ban, I don't care if they paid me to play thier game...nothing SOE goes on my hard drive, period :)

 

name one game not named SWG they ruined.   You can't.  

Some would argue that they ruined EQ, since they bought it all those years back, then Ruined the EQ name with EQ2 missing the gravy train that wow so eloquently tapped into.

SWG?  Well it was a game few played, and then they surprise changed it from what the few players did like into something no one liked.  So yeah they ruined that one.

But then we are talking like ages ago.  Its like saying youll never drive a toyota because they were crap in the 70's things change with time.  Theyve done a decent job with PS2..i commend them on the non pay to win cash shop in that game and for sticking with it and taking legit community feedback and trying to impliment it.

Id rather it be SOE any day than the bloodthirsty indy studio genocide EA.  Hell even after the bad press they get they go ahead and create the worst P2P to F2P transition in the history of mmorpgs with STWOR's horrid system...and STILL nothing that origionally made the game peter out has been fixed (how can you let a staple of the game like Ilum go unfixed?)

 

Also i want to point out that like EA, SOE is now publishing games they have no input on...like EA publishing TSW while funcom did all the work..its basically like going on steam to get a conglomerate to publish the game.

Ill reserve final judgment on SOE for EQNext. 

 

  thubub

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4/05/13 5:19:51 AM#37
Originally posted by BrownAle

 

Some would argue that they ruined EQ, since they bought it all those years back, then Ruined the EQ name with EQ2 missing the gravy train that wow so eloquently tapped into.

 

I don't see how they ruined EQ or EQ2.  EQ was a premium title prior to WoW and EQ2 was an updated version that was very good for the time.  WoW changed the market. There is absolutely nothing that any other company with an MMO could have done at the time to challenge WoW.

WoW already had a sizeable following that didn't play MMOs.  Their customers grew up on Warcraft 1, 2, & 3.  So a company with an established title that had been around since 1994, released WoW in 2004.  It brought an entirely new player base to the genre and supplanted everything else in the market at the time.  By combining two game markets, WoW was able to be at the right place at the right time, with the right product.  The market conditions that existed then have never happened since.  Thus there will never be another WoW in MMOs. 

  rejad

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4/06/13 7:08:22 AM#38
Originally posted by Gravarg

Sadly, SOE is still on my perma-ban list.  If they were the last MMO company on the face of the planet, I guess I'd have to quit playing games lol.  There's more than one occasion where SOE has done really bad stuff...pretty much every game they've touched they've ruined it within a year or two.

 

SOE will always be on my perma-ban, I don't care if they paid me to play thier game...nothing SOE goes on my hard drive, period :)

I dunno, man.  I was around for the SWG thing but also when EQ1 was bought.  I read what they're doing with EQ Next and their ideas about gaming and...it sounds like they get it, you know?  It's weird to say and the words are alien to my lips.  But I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.  As someone who in my personal life has become a little wise after making every possible mistake you could think of, I see that possibility exists in others.

  Dreamo84

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I actually still like MMORPGs

4/19/13 3:04:03 AM#39

Well you gotta remember, regardless of what bad decisions Smedley may or may not have made. Smedley is very much passionate about gaming though it seems like he struggles with balancing the business aspects of his job with the "Lets change the the world one MMO at a time!" part.

 

  Muke

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4/19/13 3:10:37 AM#40


Originally posted by WonderweissM
Have not really played any other there other games.


You can't. All the games they have been criticized for are dead and buried.

On behalf of SOE, some of their game are/were pretty good.

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

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