I can't see why any developper would want to do business with SOE, unless they really don't care about their names. I would "never" cut a deal with them, even if they would be the last company on the planet to fund indi project. And yes, i'm an independent developer, with a lot of needs for funding. But common... How can you be that desperate to let those butchers get their hands on your baby?...

Originally posted by Seen_Justice

I can't see why any developper would want to do business with SOE, unless they really don't care about their names. I would "never" cut a deal with them, even if they would be the last company on the planet to fund indi project. And yes, i'm an independent developer, with a lot of needs for funding. But common... How can you be that desperate to let those butchers get their hands on your baby?...

If people don't learn after Vanguard and PotBS they never will. Getting into bed with SOE is a very bad way to do business.

whats the point in being children , ever since SOE made the big change to SWG , there classed as useless , well we all make mistakes you all really need to get over it , such sad sad little lifes you lead and yes if you want to call it im trolling , but this needed to be said because some of us like SOE.

And both of you are playing Pirates of the BS.

Originally posted by smg77

Originally posted by Seen_Justice

I can't see why any developper would want to do business with SOE, unless they really don't care about their names. I would "never" cut a deal with them, even if they would be the last company on the planet to fund indi project. And yes, i'm an independent developer, with a lot of needs for funding. But common... How can you be that desperate to let those butchers get their hands on your baby?...

If people don't learn after Vanguard and PotBS they never will. Getting into bed with SOE is a very bad way to do business.

Admittingly I havent played PotBS, but I'm pretty sure Vanguard wasn't there fault, it was Sigil's.

It's more that I feel like SOE keeps making bad decisions on which projects to acquire, lol.

PoTBS was in abotu the same state its in now before SoE got involved, save for technical stuff like bugs. Vanguard's biggest problem is that it had an absent, opiate addicted moron at the helm named Brad McQuaid BEFORE SoE had anything to do with it. Changes to SWG was LucasArts idea. SoE are publishers of PotBS, so anything bad with the game itself has nothing to do with them. I don't know why I even try though, people on  these forums don't seem to be big fans of things like 'facts' and 'evidence', course I take comfort in the FACT that SoE is around, making more money and growing so most people know better, they just don't spout off like children on forums all day.

Yeah, SoE, the games publishers were the ones to ruin it, that makes sooo much sense..

Vanguard too, that was ALL SoE's fault right? B/c again, SoE developed the game.....

Yeah, SoE destroyed SWG as well and LucasArts had absolutely NOTHING to do with the NGE despite being the ones that told SoE to make the change, and that the current subscribers didn't matter b/c they would be replaced by many more who wanted the playstyle of the NGE. And before you jokers say that isn't true, Google is your friend, go do some research. That statement about subscribers, and many more detailing why LA thought the change was needed and why they made the call to do it, were made by a gal named Nancy Macintyre who was the LA executive in charge of SWG at the time.

Seriously, you guys need to learn WTF you are talking about before spouting off on stuff like this. Blaming SoE, who had nothing to do with developing the game, for it being a shitty game is like blaming Def Jam b/c LLCoolJ's last album sucked.

  That is a varry intresting point and rases an intresting issue.

If LLCoolJ put out a bad LP then it is his fault not Def Jam's on its face that sounds great.

   But what if Def Jam whent to LLCoolJ and told him that they did not care if he was ready to put out another LP at that time but since they controled the contract he had to. Would the LP that sucked be his fault or Def Jam's. Do they share in it or is one more to blame then the other. I grant that in a perfect world he could say no but in the world of contracts thats not easly done.

Just something to think about.

Is it a coincidence that all SOE games suck?

Lets get some facts straight right now SOE only role in this game is servers, marketing and putting boxes in stores.  FLS are the ones doing all the developing it(SOE can't step in and say anything) so blame them when you talk about the problems with the game.

Originally posted by brostyn

Is it a coincidence that all SOE games suck?

Thread over.

Originally posted by Hi-Five

 

Cute's Top 5 assumptions regarding FLS and SOE backdoor deal that killed POTBS:

5- "Release soon, so it won't compete with other next gen MMO, such as Pirate of the Caribbean Online"

4-"Release this game within the time frame of the movie, while hype is still hot"

3-"We (SOE) are the world leader for MMO business, just look at SWG and Vanguard"

2-"SOE will enable FLS to focus on the creativity and maintaining the game, while SOE will enable FLS to get rich in Marketing, advertisement, promotion and subscription"

1-"Because we are Sony Online Entertainment (SOE)... we got great PowerPoint presentation, oh by the way, we own SWG and Vanguard...so FLS, you can be rich too... what ya say??" 

5) That was FLS's deceision.  SOE could give a crap less when the game is released because they aren't paying for development.  They get paid to host the servers... among other things.

4) I'm sorry what movie was that?  When I think of pirate movies.. Johnny Depp isn't in them.

3) SWG.. yes.. but then LEC had a hand in that.  But.. wtf does Vanguard have to do with anything?  Somehow everyone seems to forget that Microsoft flushed that turd after Brad McVanguard cost them 10's of millions.  It shows if anything how stupid Smed is.. that he bought Brad's BS as well.

2) I'm not really sure where you are going with that.  It doesn't take long reading the potbs forums to see.. that the developers don't have a friggin clue.  They had an idea but never actually tried to complete it or understand if it would succeed (there is a history of how open pvp gank fest games do in mass market... that's what market research is for *gasp*)

1) Not sure I understand this one at all.  Every says VG and SWG have no subs.. how exactly does that get you rich?

I would think that NCSoft is about the only other company out there that could maybe host for people.  One could argue EA but they are doing their own thing.

Where is either companies long list of stellar games?  (oh wait never mind).

Potbs.. suffers yes.. not due to SOE.  Its more to the fact that the devs just didn't do a very good job (imho).

Let me clarify that.. they released a decent game.. they just didn't think out the mechanics very well.  Which is why the subs dropped as fast as they did.  I don't even log in anymore... which has nothing to do with SOE... (unless a soe dev was in charge of the games economic systems.. the f'd up pvp etc etc)

Now if you want to talk about the NGE... ya I'll gladly talk about how bad SOE handled something..