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  Lahuzer

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OP  2/07/13 12:21:24 PM#1

Well Portalus took over POTBS from SOE, and I hope they will do better then them and push the game forward. It won't be hard to accomplish that. I hope at least. But then they were suppose to migrate the servers , and people hoped that the game would be up the past weekend but every day the've announced that it's delayed even further etc. I then stated that I guessed that the game would probably not come up before this weekend. Most likely at the begining of the next week. I said I rather be a pessimist then a optimist by now, and be happily suprised if they get it out faster. Then a guy calling himself "Karetaker" responded:

"You ever put together an MMO? Neither have I, but I imagine there's a lot more to it than plug a server in and shazaam, everyone can connect and there's no issues. Be thankful you have a new company that has a thorough interest in getting this game back on it's feet. If they just threw it together and let us run amuck on their servers, they'd end up just like Sony did: out the door.
Give them a break. They're doing what they can, and they're keeping us NON-PAYING customers (at the moment) very well informed. Name another game where you had that kind of support.
Thought so".

So I wrote a reply to him on this that went like this:

"@Karetaker Well I can name several companies that have a extremly good contact with their playerbase. Guild Software Inc, the guys behind Vendetta Online speaks, like really speaks with their playerbase on a daily bases. The players are even part of how they develop the game, and can go in and test ideas before any1 else. And they are only 4 devs. Then we have a big company like CCP, the guys behind EVE. They even have: The Council of Stellar Management (CSM), and it's a player-elected council to represent the views of the players to CCP. And they also have a very close contact with their playerbase. I could go on. What Portalus are doing, is only each day letting us know it's delayed even further. Fine. But don't come here and say they are the saviors of the MMO-universe for doing so. It can't get any worse then it was in the hands of SOE, but Portalus must also prove that they can handle the game as well.
And also, Portalus ain't developing the game. They are TRANSFERING it now. A big freaking difference. The developing part will come later. And I don't have that big of a problem with it taking time. I just said that I see a pattern, and it will be delayed even more. It's quite easy to see. So, as I said, I rather be a pessimist then a optimist, and be suprised if they actually manage to launch it before or during this weekend".

And this they choose to censor. Was it that harmfull? So I took this up on their forums, and within minutes it got deleted as well. And I got a mail from Half-Hitch saying: "I didn't want that argument taking place on our public website". But it was OK for "Karetaker" to "attack" me, but not OK for me to respond to this? If they gonna censor minor shit like this from their website, and not be able to take any criticism, things doesn't look good for POTBS. At all...

But hope they can prove me wrong and let quite innocent responses like the one I made about what they are doing, stay. But as I said. They are not off to a good stuff with censoring any criticism against them.

  Muke

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2/07/13 12:28:13 PM#2


Originally posted by Lahuzer
Then we have a big company like CCP, the guys behind EVE. They even have: The Council of Stellar Management (CSM), and it's a player-elected council to represent the views of the players to CCP.

Funny that you mention that CSM as it is a good thing, when everyone in EVE knows that it's just been created to take the tension out of 'rogue developers favoring certain entities ingame' and that it is less then democratic.

Last part was that they do not have any valuable input, nor that the developers actually listen to their proposals other then answering with "we recognize the problems, but they are not on the roadplan to fix it anytime soon."

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  Aeonblades

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2/07/13 12:29:41 PM#3
Seems like a problem a lot of companies share these days. Too bad censoring really just doesn't work on the internet.

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  Lahuzer

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OP  2/07/13 12:46:26 PM#4
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Seems like a problem a lot of companies share these days. Too bad censoring really just doesn't work on the internet.

Yeah, it sure saddens me that this seem to be the case. But I can understand censoring stuff like personal attacks, and someone calling developers liars etc. But not as harmless as my response.

Originally posted by Muke

 


Originally posted by Lahuzer
Then we have a big company like CCP, the guys behind EVE. They even have: The Council of Stellar Management (CSM), and it's a player-elected council to represent the views of the players to CCP.

 

Funny that you mention that CSM as it is a good thing, when everyone in EVE knows that it's just been created to take the tension out of 'rogue developers favoring certain entities ingame' and that it is less then democratic.

Last part was that they do not have any valuable input, nor that the developers actually listen to their proposals other then answering with "we recognize the problems, but they are not on the roadplan to fix it anytime soon."

At least it was a good thing when I played. And the idea behind it, and them letting them come to the fanfest etc. In the begining it sure seemed to work at least. Dunno how it is now. But while I played EVE, CCP had good contact with their playerbase.

  zymurgeist

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2/08/13 3:05:38 AM#5
He's right it takes time. They have to develop and test a new front end for the game. Nothing could be done while Sony still had it. You're also wrong about the delays. From the first day they said they didn't know when it would be up. Instead of a timeline they have given a to do list.

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  Kyleran

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2/08/13 4:11:09 AM#6
Their forums, their rules, they can censor anyone or anything they like. Which is why I quit posting on company sponsored forums years ago and spend my time here instead, a bit less heavyhanded.

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  BitterClinger

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2/08/13 6:49:41 AM#7

Censorship usually implies the suppression of "public speech". There are no "public" message boards that I am aware of; they are all privately owned.

The remaining folks (all three of them?) at Portalus are probably all very nice people, but they are in WAY over their heads. I have said as much on their forums, and the posts were not "censored". The current situation makes it sound like they have one guy who might know anything about Windows Server operating systems and any OS components (e.g. IIS) they may use for the game. Also, from their updates, it sounds like they upgraded operating systems on the servers. If they use IIS for session management or async communications (e.g. WCF), then they are going to have to work through the differences between IIS 6 (or maybe even IIS 5) and IIS 7. That's going to take time.

It really is depressing to see POTBS come to this. I wish Portalus would just sell the source code to someone.  Their ship movement and combat is really top notch; the best I have seen in any game.

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  Lahuzer

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OP  2/08/13 3:03:35 PM#8
Originally posted by zymurgeist
He's right it takes time. They have to develop and test a new front end for the game. Nothing could be done while Sony still had it. You're also wrong about the delays. From the first day they said they didn't know when it would be up. Instead of a timeline they have given a to do list.

Well they did insinuate that it would be out at latest last monday the 4th. Like this statement: "Right now we are going to have to say that PotBS servers are unlikely to be up and running prior to Monday (Feb. 4th).  I want to say there’s a small chance we might be up a little before that but Hamled’s giving me the determined “it will be Monday” look.  I know that’s not what anyone wants to hear but we were originally given a possible 72 hour down time estimate and that’s looking like it is turning out to be accurate (so far)". And they've kept on giving peeps hope that a solution might be just around the corner. But it now seems I was right all along, and I was right when I said I rather be a pessimist then a optimist. Since they today said it won't even come up this weekend, just like I predicted. And that's what they've kept on announcing each day. Different reasons for it to be delayed even more. They prolly didn't like that I hit the needled on the head in this case and censored this "negativity" away. I think it was pityfull of them to censor it, cause it wasn't THAT harsh. I think most of us can agree on that. And as others here are writing, it doesn't look as good as I hoped with Portalus taking control.  :( Even though they are excellent at telling us each day about the delays. :P

  itchmon

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2/09/13 4:36:05 PM#9

as much as i wanted to get my POTBS on during the blizard i understand they're a new, small company and i'ma give them a break til it gets online.

 

i hope a lot of new folks who maybe stayed away from it because of SOE decide to try it now.

 

it's definitely not the standard carbon copy MMO.

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  BitterClinger

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2/09/13 4:50:24 PM#10
Originally posted by itchmon

as much as i wanted to get my POTBS on during the blizard i understand they're a new, small company and i'ma give them a break til it gets online.

 

i hope a lot of new folks who maybe stayed away from it because of SOE decide to try it now.

 

it's definitely not the standard carbon copy MMO.

 

I hear what you're saying, but it doesn't really make any sense. SOE provided login, subscription, and account support services. I'm sure SOE doesn't do that for free, so Portalus decided to part ways. Every part of POTBS after the login screen, and beyond Captain's Club, is Portalus. Portalus is the remainder of Flying Labs Software. They are responsible for all the content and changes to POTBS. This is NOT a new and different group of developers.

So, anyone who stayed away (or left) because they didn't like some part of the game design or gameplay will still be facing the same developerment approach that created the current (albiet dying) environment that is POTBS.

The most tragic part of the POTBS saga is that the people most resistant to attracting new players are the current players.

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  Lahuzer

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OP  2/19/13 10:38:22 AM#11
Well, they got the game up and running again. That's nice. I then had alittle issue with making a french character on the EU server. I only had a lvl 1 pirate and a lvl 2 french character there before. So I deleted the french first, then my pirate. But could only make a pirate after that. And people said I will have to wait til next turn etc to change nations. Which sux cause I'm gonna play with 5 other guys. Crappy system imho. So I contacted the support to see if they could help a fellow sailor out. And 2 minutes after I sent the mail they got back to me. Freaking awesome response. And we mailed each other back and forth for 10 minutes, and hopefully they will solve it for me. But sense I thought they did wrong censoring me, I thought I also must say they did good in responding to my help mail. So I give them credit for that, and hope this momentum will keep on going for them.
  BitterClinger

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2/19/13 10:56:03 AM#12
Yeah, it's good to see POTBS back in action.  I logged in to make sure all my accounts were transferred correctly and verified that my BSNs were still there.  I then uninstalled the client.  I hope to return to the high seas, someday, when there is something to do there.

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  Lahuzer

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OP  3/03/13 3:11:04 AM#13

And it keeps on going on. Any posts that goes up questioning wtf Portalus are doing keeps being taken down. I posted this little post yesterday:

"Communication dead?


I think we all deserve some info on what is going on since the last failed attempt to open up burning notes for us. What happened? How much longer will it be delayed? What happened to us being able to make new accounts at the end of this week? Yeah, it's one more day left, but with the silent treament it doesn't look good. And delete this all you want, but deleting posts that need answers ain't the answer Portalus...".
 
Nothing out of the ordinary. Just a simple post asking wtf is going on with everything. It's been over a month since the migration started and Portalus took over and new peeps can't even make a new account yet!!! And any post that questions them is taken away in a heartbeat. It's the worst kind of censoring I've ever seen in a game. They are digging their grave every passing day now. It's so sad to see. I'm afraid this ship has sunk. :(
  zymurgeist

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3/03/13 7:15:26 AM#14

I think it goes something like this:

Are we there yet?

No.

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No! We'll tell you when we're there!

*deleted*

Asking for information they don't have and complaining when they don't give it is pointless. If they had fixed their datatbase errors you would know it. The problem is they're very much winging it because they didn't have full access to the data before Sony turned it over. I suspect Sony didn't make much of an effort to preserve the data intact either.

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  Lahuzer

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OP  3/03/13 9:39:10 AM#15
Originally posted by zymurgeist

I think it goes something like this:

Are we there yet?

No.

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No.

 

Are we there yet?

No! We'll tell you when we're there!

*deleted*

Asking for information they don't have and complaining when they don't give it is pointless. If they had fixed their datatbase errors you would know it. The problem is they're very much winging it because they didn't have full access to the data before Sony turned it over. I suspect Sony didn't make much of an effort to preserve the data intact either.

I think it goes something like this:

We are almost there.

No.

Any day now we are there.

No.

People ask: Are we there yet? *Deleted*

We are there!!!

No... Wait. We aren't. We be there soon.

No.

People ask: What is going on? *Deleted*

They delete ANYTHING that makes them look like they aren't doing their job. Ofc they have information on what is going on, or what has happened. They could answer the peoples questions and be upright about it. But they choose to delete EVERYTHING, and say nothing. Hey, new accounts was suppose to be able to be made this week, but ofc it hasn't. And nothing from them on this matter either. It's gone from bad, to beyond bad in less then a month. It's funny to read their news page on their site. It was full of activity at start, and every1 being optimistic. Now, after the latest setback with the "fix" of burning notes, which they took up, and took down faster then any1 could say "CAPTAINS CLUB!!!", the "likes" has died out, and noone is writing anything positive. It is dead. I which they could be more open to their issues and leave it all there for any1 to answer it. But they don't. They delete it all faster then you can say "Bankrupt".

  zymurgeist

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3/03/13 1:08:57 PM#16
Originally posted by Lahuzer

They delete ANYTHING that makes them look like they aren't doing their job.

 That makes it clear you have no idea what's involved in the process. If they were answering your posts, they wouldn't be doing their jobs. So the forum guy deletes the posts instead of bothering the people trying to fix the problem every five minuites. Why are you so worried? You're getting what you paid for.

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  Lahuzer

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OP  3/03/13 4:19:51 PM#17
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by Lahuzer

They delete ANYTHING that makes them look like they aren't doing their job.

 That makes it clear you have no idea what's involved in the process. If they were answering your posts, they wouldn't be doing their jobs. So the forum guy deletes the posts instead of bothering the people trying to fix the problem every five minuites. Why are you so worried? You're getting what you paid for.

Answering their playerbase and keeping them informed IS their job. And they do that quite poor to say the least. It's not THAT hard to answer a post, or make a statement. Their statements usually are 5-6 sentences. It takes a normal human being maybe 1-2 minutes to think of a response and then write it. Your being way to much of a fanboi to defend this kind of censuring, and lack of proffesionalism from them.

Why even delete it then? Forum guy could let it be there and write himself, that they are "knee deep in work and can't make even a short statement". Which ofc is BS. But at least that would be a life sign. But they've gone from keeping everyone informed, to keeping everyone in dark. You think that is good policy. I think it's extremly unproffesional. These guys make SV, makers of Mortal Online, seem like the most open and talkative developers ever.

Worried? Well, they are taking a good MMO and are slowly strangling it. Soon they won't have enough people bothering with their ignorance and will have left them for some other MMO, and PoTBS will have sunk to the bottom and get cancelled. That's the worst case scenario.

And I which I could have paid for something, but you can't. Since they failed opening up the store for more then a few minutes before closing it again, and letting us know it will be down "several days". And then. After that. Not a pip... And still. New players can't even make a account!!! 1 month after they took over the game. It's total crap.

  zymurgeist

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3/03/13 4:22:39 PM#18
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by Lahuzer

They delete ANYTHING that makes them look like they aren't doing their job.

 That makes it clear you have no idea what's involved in the process. If they were answering your posts, they wouldn't be doing their jobs. So the forum guy deletes the posts instead of bothering the people trying to fix the problem every five minuites. Why are you so worried? You're getting what you paid for.

Answering their playerbase and keeping them informed IS their job. And they do that quite poor to say the least. It's not THAT hard to answer a post, or make a statement. Their statements usually are 5-6 sentences. It takes a normal human being maybe 1-2 minutes to think of a response and then write it. Your being way to much of a fanboi to defend this kind of censuring, and lack of proffesionalism from them.

Why even delete it then? Forum guy could let it be there and write himself, that they are "knee deep in work and can't make even a short statement". Which ofc is BS. But at least that would be a life sign. But they've gone from keeping everyone informed, to keeping everyone in dark. You think that is good policy. I think it's extremly unproffesional. These guys make SV, makers of Mortal Online, seem like the most open and talkative developers ever.

Worried? Well, they are taking a good MMO and are slowly strangling it. Soon they won't have enough people bothering with their ignorance and will have left them for some other MMO, and PoTBS will have sunk to the bottom and get cancelled. That's the worst case scenario.

And I which I could have paid for something, but you can't. Since they failed opening up the store for more then a few minutes before closing it again, and letting us know it will be down "several days". And then. After that. Not a pip...

 I believe they have other concerns than holding your hand while you wait. They told you. They'll tell you what they know when they know it. Don't clog up their forums with useless posts.

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  Lahuzer

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OP  3/03/13 4:31:02 PM#19
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by Lahuzer

They delete ANYTHING that makes them look like they aren't doing their job.

 That makes it clear you have no idea what's involved in the process. If they were answering your posts, they wouldn't be doing their jobs. So the forum guy deletes the posts instead of bothering the people trying to fix the problem every five minuites. Why are you so worried? You're getting what you paid for.

Answering their playerbase and keeping them informed IS their job. And they do that quite poor to say the least. It's not THAT hard to answer a post, or make a statement. Their statements usually are 5-6 sentences. It takes a normal human being maybe 1-2 minutes to think of a response and then write it. Your being way to much of a fanboi to defend this kind of censuring, and lack of proffesionalism from them.

Why even delete it then? Forum guy could let it be there and write himself, that they are "knee deep in work and can't make even a short statement". Which ofc is BS. But at least that would be a life sign. But they've gone from keeping everyone informed, to keeping everyone in dark. You think that is good policy. I think it's extremly unproffesional. These guys make SV, makers of Mortal Online, seem like the most open and talkative developers ever.

Worried? Well, they are taking a good MMO and are slowly strangling it. Soon they won't have enough people bothering with their ignorance and will have left them for some other MMO, and PoTBS will have sunk to the bottom and get cancelled. That's the worst case scenario.

And I which I could have paid for something, but you can't. Since they failed opening up the store for more then a few minutes before closing it again, and letting us know it will be down "several days". And then. After that. Not a pip...

 I believe they have other concerns than holding your hand while you have a hissy fit. They told you. They'll tell you what they know when they know it. Don't clog up their forums with useless posts.

Noone needs anyone holding any hand. People wanna know wtf is going on with the new accounts, the migration of old accounts etc. They haven't said jack sh*t about this. New people were hoping they could make accounts this weekend cause thats what they hinted might happen. Instead they got their hopes cruched, and not a word from Portalus why they can't do it yet. You can put on your blindfolders and ignore it all you want. But the problems remain, and people are concerned. Only that when they raise their concerns on their forum. Everything gets deleted. Thank GOD for other forums like mmorpg, where people can find out wtf is going on. Cause if you go to their site. Everything seems to be just fine and dandy. When actually, it's the opposite.

  zymurgeist

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3/03/13 5:05:20 PM#20
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