All i can say is no no no, not god bless Smedly. Its God Dam Smedly! God Dam Smedly!

I can explain the hate simply,
SWG!

Originally posted by onlinenow225

 

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

 

Originally posted by boognish75

fer gads sakes man, all the swg stuff was on a test server, and i remember hearing about it before it went live the cu didnt just magically appear one day when i woke up. Listen to you guys contradict myself makes me sick, example is in this thread, IE. Soe buys games and runs em on a skeletal crew, sooooo....they tried to change a game that was dieing anyways to make it better and everyone flips cause there trying to do something,

All they did was try to change a game that was dying anyways to make it better, you say.  An interesting way to think of what SOE did in SWG.  Here's what you seem to be missing.  I don't have time for a complete list so a summary will have to do: 

They advertised revamps for squad leaders and rangers, and new features for Creature Handlers.  People paid for all that was advertised in a new expansion.  Immediately after payment was received for things promised in two dev chats, all of the professions mentioned were deleted.  People felt badly misled.  Customers discussed a class action lawsuit and were given a refund for the expansion.  However, SOE, as far as I know, kept all of the subscription money people paid to enjoy the features that SOE deleted.

Many people, as a result, feel that a gross injustice was done, and that it hasn't been duly compensated to this day.

That's one issue.  Another is what SOE did the virtual community that was SWG.  They encouraged people to build their characters, make friends, get married, build cities and communities, unlock the mystery of the jedi etc.  People of course did all of this.  Then on one day, all of this was nuked by something called the NGE.  Most of the professions people mastered were were simply deleted.  The quests they had been working on for years (yes years worth of actual quests) were removed from the game.  All of this quest progress was negated.  Those that unlocked the mystery of the jedi, found that it was all for nothing.  Most of their force powers were also deleted, and jedi became a starting profession.  Many of the new items in the new expansion were rendered useless.  Combat attributes that they modified ceased to exist.  Again, simply removed from the game.  Buy the new expansion to tame new creatures they were told.  Then creature handler was deleted.  The announcement for all the deletions came just 2 days after the relase of the expansion with all the new creatures to tame.

If that's not enough information for you.  LEC and SOE told everyone they were making the game better.  In addition to the problem of misleading marketting, and all of the losses I've mentioned, the NGE rendered chat and movement systems both broken.  Combat abilities simply didn't fire, and heals healed enemies.

If that's still not enough for you, we could talk about how people were invited to provide feedback on these changes on the forums.  However, when they did, their feedback was moved, locked or deleted and they were banned from posting.

I could go on, but if anyone doesn't get the picture yet, I expect they simply don't want to.  

Yea don't undestand people that cant grasp what you just said...

 

 

And SOE's customer service is a freakin joke lol.   They yell at customers for disagreeing with how their games are panning out.  Its just horrible, im even surprised at the amount of people still playing their games.

 

I also had first hand experience with credits just going poof same with my friend.  SOE did nothing and said we must have spent them.  Yet we log off one day from mission gridning and then next day we log on and wow 5m credits gone.

 

 

Drove 120km today to buy this game today and I was excited to try to play this game because when I tried Pirates of Caribbean Online from Disney was very fun and I noticed that this game also a sea battle game which I think I could have something different from WOW clone games.

When I start installing the game, I found one thing makes me disspointed immediately and I felt being threw into the north pole in such fine weather. What makes me lose my excitement? I noticed 3 letters SOE. Gosh, if I knew this game is from SOE then I could save my time to drive 120km to buy this game.

What the heck, I am sick of playing F2P atm so I tell myself, ok, one more try, anyway, I have one month to play, just tell myself I bought a single game.

Why I don't like SOE? Simple enough. Too many commercial and everything they are doing just like F2P, they want to rip off players. The website or launch screen just a boo. Anyway, I am not anger, I am going to give a try at this game or I will play Pirates of Caribbean Online later.

Originally posted by Aethios

 

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Originally posted by WhiteknightI

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• Originally posted by Makaveli04

 

omg...another one of these posts...if you do a forum search there are already several threads about the same topic. This is just going to turn into another flame fest like all the others.

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I just wanted a sum up of why this company is hated so much. The other threads kind of drop things about it, but don't really explain where the hate if coming from directly.

Obviously this company was hate pre-PoTBS and I'm tryin to find out why.

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It's probably the longest story ever written. Seriously. Like, 1000-page epic. It goes back around 10 years I think and has been a non-stop roller coaster ride since then. Suffice it to say, they've done plenty to step on and piss off everyone who has ever dared to give them money over the course of recent history, save those few poor souls who still play their MMOs.

exactly.

those that say "oh all you people hate soe because of swg, get over it" are people that have no idea what they're talking about.  look at all the games on the station pass, each one probably has a laundry list of things which all go back to soe having zero respect for the players as shown by lies as recent as smed's last lil interview.

Originally posted by safwd

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

Originally posted by WhiteknightI

• Originally posted by Makaveli04

omg...another one of these posts...if you do a forum search there are already several threads about the same topic. This is just going to turn into another flame fest like all the others.

I just wanted a sum up of why this company is hated so much.  The other threads kind of drop things about it, but don't really explain where the hate if coming from directly.

 

Obviously this company was hate pre-PoTBS and I'm tryin to find out why.

 

 Here is the short version.

  SOE historically and ritually admits to not caring one iota about its players.  They do really bad things, and make really poor choices.  To top that off, when called out on said bad things and choices...they tend to enjoy telling everyone that they are either stupid, or unneeded.  Either one is pretty awful a thing to say to ones support beam.

  Oh, and they also like to buy failing IP's and then ignore them completely...forcing them to survive on skeleton crews who do little more than add a tweak here and there whilst drawing in profit over the fact they have no one to pay for its upkeep.

That statement is true i guess, but only if you are one of those people who thinks the world would be better off if The Matrix Online and Vanguard would have just died vise going on the Station Access. Why should it matter that people are actually still playing those games and like them, reguardless of how much updating they get. Better to say screw them and just shut the games down. 
I guess the question comes down to, Is it better to force a game to survive on a skeleton crew or just shut down. My view is if people want to play it then it is worth keeping alive.

it goes back to a question of quality then.

i'm sure there are people that still just watch a black and white television and only have those channels available to them via bunny ears antenna.

does it make them wrong?  maybe, maybe not.

will other people actually understand why? (if we know these people have the money to easily afford a new TV and cable/satellite and they consciously choose to stick with what they have cuz they like it.) 

i don't think i would understand why they do it.

Originally posted by ummax

As someone who treats SOE as just a service provider and takes or leaves their service here is my version of "events".   Probably similar to the other ones but maybe with more flair and possibly shorter..

lol okay flaterring myself over now..

 

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away a group of developers from lucas arts and Soe made a decision to revamp a system actualy abut 6 months after release but it took them  2 years to actualy do the revamp and then they released it.   Peole got mad at them because they didn't like "change" and left.  Most people to be honest have forgotten about it or taken it in perspective and gone on with their lives.  Others however with more vindictive personalities and unable to let go of the past and who have not learned the art of "forgivness" have decided to continue on a 3 year long vendetta towards this faceless corporation in an effort to try to "hurt them back".   I would honestly ignore it.  All the qualities they exhibit are not positive or good human traits and that should go a long way to helping you realize that this hatred is at this point well baseless.  The past is the past WAAAY past and they have chosen to not move on.   

I think part of the issue is also the fact that the cause of their hatred and to their utter total disgust the object of their vendetta still is alive and kicking.  Albeit not as popular as it was when released however they fail to acknowledge things like the fact that the customers were leaving anyhow so its likely that no matter what sony did with the release of WoW the client base would not be much larger then it is now as people moved on to newer games in bright new shiny boxes.

The hate has a reason however it is out of proportion at this point in time and should not exist and dominate certain message boards and permeat every thread as it at times does.  Ignore it as trying to understand it will leave you confused and possibly with far less brain cells as you are unable to solve this strange phenomenon with any rational explanation or solutions because at this point its an irrational hate based on pure emotion and nothing more.

 

a long time before swg was put into retail, people had issues with the way SOE treated it's customers.

some people don't understand that swg has very vocal supporters who miss one of the very few non-restrictive class/level games that was out.  those people seem to not understand that it's NOT just swg, they just seem to notice the swg complainers because it's cool to bash on them.

and everyone wants to be the cool internet loser. 

Originally posted by boognish75

fer gads sakes man, all the swg stuff was on a test server, and i remember hearing about it before it went live the cu didnt just magically appear one day when i woke up. Listen to you guys contradict myself makes me sick, example is in this thread, IE. Soe buys games and runs em on a skeletal crew, sooooo....they tried to change a game that was dieing anyways to make it better and everyone flips cause there trying to do something,

guess you missed the post a couple above yours about soe not being able to actually deliver on the "hey we're publishing potbs", eh?

or, you were never around when SOE reps, essentially have both lied to their players and told their players "we don't care what you say, we don't need you, not now, not ever"?

must be nice to just ignore facts and just make up things to complain about, eh boogs?  soe has an incredibly garbage name in MMOs for MANY reasons spread out over MANY games. 

The troubles with $OE started way before swg. I played EQ on a pvp server dark versus light for 2 years till $OE finally bought out the game. One day I logged on to find out half my guild was now my enemy and $OE had changed the server to team pvp without any notice or  feedback . the server went from being the third highest population to the lowest in one month as did the other pvp server that was dark versus light I left EQ soon after and started playing DAOC. I have never played another sony game and soon as they took over part of POTBS I stopped beta testing it and decided i would not play it even though I had been waiting to play at release.

Originally posted by damian7

 

Originally posted by boognish75

fer gads sakes man, all the swg stuff was on a test server, and i remember hearing about it before it went live the cu didnt just magically appear one day when i woke up. Listen to you guys contradict myself makes me sick, example is in this thread, IE. Soe buys games and runs em on a skeletal crew, sooooo....they tried to change a game that was dieing anyways to make it better and everyone flips cause there trying to do something,

 

guess you missed the post a couple above yours about soe not being able to actually deliver on the "hey we're publishing potbs", eh?

or, you were never around when SOE reps, essentially have both lied to their players and told their players "we don't care what you say, we don't need you, not now, not ever"?

 

must be nice to just ignore facts and just make up things to complain about, eh boogs?  soe has an incredibly garbage name in MMOs for MANY reasons spread out over MANY games. 

Yeah I remember that, wasn't it Julio Torres doing damage control after the NGE went live? I think he just cracked at the keyboard one day and type to the complaining VETs bitching at him "If you really don't like the NGE that much you should quit and leave these forums, good luck". So guess what happened, yup they quit and SOE lost even more subs. Then ofcourse there's the infamous fanfest footage when Julio was attempting to blow some more smoke up backsides, but by now SOE had managed to anger most of the NGE fanbois,

Some classic SWG footage.

WoW well I guess SOE Can never do anything right heck they even managed to get a lot of people using their mind control rays to after they felt burned over eq open up their wallet against their own free will to pay for swg and expansions for two years then

I stand corrected lol

Yes and every "NGE fanboi" hates the game which is why they are busy not saying much and playing it except for a few who would complain about anything even if SOE sent them a gold bar in the mail they would probably complain that it was heavy or something

Anyhow its entertaining to read .. an irrational hate based on making the same mistake twice by the looks of it and of course blaming the company for it.

Most people just move on.  The vocal minority does not a case make.