In the case of POTBS, no SOE didn't make the game and isn't responsible for how the gameplay turns out.

However, SOE made a bad situation worse with all their marketing and distribution experience.  They fouled up the patcher, the fouled up distribution for launch day in many ways, they trashed the preorder and early boarding, billing, etc.  There was a giant laundry list on flying labs website about SOE issues.

To me it seemed SOE did almost everything they could do wrong that would start this game off in the worst possible way. 

The EQ and EQ2 expansions launched around the same time and didn't seem to suffer these same problems or maybe the people it affected are just that subdued it was business as usual.

    I totally understand the need to vent, rant and let out the feelings that a lot of us may share in this thread.  The only problem is, we're still seen as the minority to companies the likes of SOE.  All they see is $'s and as long as that's still flowing we're nothing more than a splinter in their finger. 

Originally posted by waverat81

    I totally understand the need to vent, rant and let out the feelings that a lot of us may share in this thread.  The only problem is, we're still seen as the minority to companies the likes of SOE.  All they see is $'s and as long as that's still flowing we're nothing more than a splinter in their finger. 

    

 

What was I've been trying to point out for people it's all about the cash and companies only care if players in a huge amount run away from their games which hasn't happened here so far..

Just started playing PotBS and the game is a good one, ofcourse not it was not as expected it's still fun. :)

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Originally posted by Daffid011

However, SOE made a bad situation worse with all their marketing and distribution experience.

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Originally posted by funnylumpy

What was I've been trying to point out for people it's all about the cash and companies only care if players in a huge amount run away from their games which hasn't happened here so far..

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Originally posted by funnylumpy

 

What was I've been trying to point out for people it's all about the cash and companies only care if players in a huge amount run away from their games which hasn't happened here so far..

 

Every company that has partnered with SOE has had to go into damage control mode right after making the public announcement.  Each has made big press releases trying to calm the upset fanbase to ensure them that SOE would in no way control their game, etc etc.

To me that is openly acknowledging that yes they indeed do see people walking away from their game in numbers to make such statements before their games even launch.  This isn't something isolated to MMORPG.COM either, this is their front page news.

Two of the three companies that got into bed with SOE were run no better than SOE itself, so birds of a feather kind of thing I guess.  Time will tell about the last.

Originally posted by Daffid011

 

Originally posted by funnylumpy

 

What was I've been trying to point out for people it's all about the cash and companies only care if players in a huge amount run away from their games which hasn't happened here so far..

 

 

Every company that has partnered with SOE has had to go into damage control mode right after making the public announcement.  Each has made big press releases trying to calm the upset fanbase to ensure them that SOE would in no way control their game, etc etc.

 

To me that is openly acknowledging that yes they indeed do see people walking away from their game in numbers to make such statements before their games even launch.  This isn't something isolated to MMORPG.COM either, this is their front page news.

 

Two of the three companies that got into bed with SOE were run no better than SOE itself, so birds of a feather kind of thing I guess.  Time will tell about the last.

I tried a lot of MMO's after the NGE... and every (I mean every single one) eventually SWG comes up in general chat.  It might not be every day.. but it happens sooner or later.  You'll have some people that dont' know what happened... and they'll be told.. perhaps not exactly the truth... but it will be very negative for sure.

I saw a lot of that when lotro opened... I'm not sure now because I haven't played that game in a long time.  Heck even in DAoC now and then I'd see it come up in conversation.

So in the end its not even about the actual people who played pre-cu/cu.  Its most definitely not about what gets posted on mmorpg.com.

There is a lot of negative word of mouth.. and when its being passed around in the various games out there.  Even people who never read forums.. can "hear" about it.

So ya.. SOE is going to have a fallout on this for a very long time.  When these things are being said IN MMo's.. obviously your potential customer base is hearing them.  That in my opinion, is going to do far more long term damage to SOE and anyone that co-publishes with them.. than the NGE actually did.

I try not to talk about SWG... because I am past the saying negative things part.  I just miss the last MMO I really enjoyed.. UO and SWG were it.  The rest are just things I try to pass time in.

You aren't kidding about that, when I play CoH, Tabula Rasa and even when WoW, it gets brought up every single day especially in Tabula Rasa with its global server chat. Very same thing is being said in every conversation about SWG, 100% negative.

Originally posted by Daffid011

In the case of POTBS, no SOE didn't make the game and isn't responsible for how the gameplay turns out.

However, SOE made a bad situation worse with all their marketing and distribution experience.  They fouled up the patcher, the fouled up distribution for launch day in many ways, they trashed the preorder and early boarding, billing, etc.  There was a giant laundry list on flying labs website about SOE issues.

To me it seemed SOE did almost everything they could do wrong that would start this game off in the worst possible way. 

 

The EQ and EQ2 expansions launched around the same time and didn't seem to suffer these same problems or maybe the people it affected are just that subdued it was business as usual.

 

 

ya know... if soe dorks up a game's start bad ENOUGH... they can buy the game a couple of months down the road, super cheap.

Originally posted by damian7

ya know... if soe dorks up a game's start bad ENOUGH... they can buy the game a couple of months down the road, super cheap.

Wait until they start shoving RMT and microtransaction scams into all of their games.

Originally posted by smg77

Originally posted by damian7

ya know... if soe dorks up a game's start bad ENOUGH... they can buy the game a couple of months down the road, super cheap.

Wait until they start shoving RMT and microtransaction scams into all of their games.

why not?  the station pass' goal is to have a bunch of so/so - average MMOs on it for one price.  rmt and microtransactions are the next logical step in the master plan.

I can't understand why any gamer would still defend $$OE. But maybe they aren't, maybe they are $$$OE employees, or  hired people.

Im not defending SOE, no way. They are the devil.

But, I was in beta for PoTBS long before the SOE involvement was announced and this game was messed up long before SOE took part. The descisions made during beta and prior to launch were horrid.  They abandoned much of what they said this game would be.

Yes the game can be visually stunning. The tradeskill system is good. But other than that it was a massive dissapointment coming from a guy who was 1 of the few original members to thier forums when this game was but an idea.

Blame SOE all you want, but its misguided. This 1 was messed up before they were ever involved in the process.