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Pirates of the Burning Sea: Avatar Combat Revamp Interview
MMORPG.com's Carolyn Koh recently visited Flying Lab Studios' new offices in Seattle to talk to the team about the upcoming Avatar Combat Revamp for their nautical MMORPG, Pirates of the Burning Sea.
The imminent launch of Pirates of the Burning Sea’s Avatar Combat Revamp seemed to me to be a good excuse to visit Flying Lab Software in their new digs in downtown Seattle. After a quick tour of the new offices with Community Manager Troy Hewitt and exchanging greetings with many familiar faces, I was seated in CEO Russell “Rusty” Williams’ corner office.
“You must be meeting goals,” I said to Rusty and Producer Misha Williams as I looked around the office. Rusty smiled and spread his hands. “What can I say? New digs, larger staff, new projects…” indeed, it speaks for itself.
“We’ve had wonderful retention numbers with the free trial,” he said. Pirates of the Burning Sea is Russell Williams’ first MMO and as such, some of the performance metrics expected of an MMOs of this scale are not familiar territory for him. “We asked SoE if we were doing alright and although I can’t mention numbers, it’s far better than SoE had expected.” The number of returning players was also far greater than expected.
Pirates of the Burning Sea was launched on January 22nd of 2008. In less than 3 months after launch, they performed a server merge. Now, less than a year after launch, they are about to revamp the entire avatar combat system. A bold move? Certainly, but let us first go into the history of Avatar Combat in Pirates of the Burning Sea.
The public got their first view of PotBS in May at E3 2005 when MMORPG.com and other MMO sites gave it Best Graphics of show. When I first visited them in February of 2006, PotBS was still being conceived as a “vehicular” game much like EVE Online or Car Wars, but had only just decided to provide avatars and customization thereof in response to feedback. Players of MMO games liked to have avatars they could identify with even if it were just a paper doll. It soon became apparent to the Flying Lab team that Avatars had to be more than just “paper dolls” but had to be an integral part of the game. From there, grew the concept of the personal role-play story lines and avatar combat.
“We’ll launch with Ship Combat followed later by Avatar Combat.” Was still the mantra in early 2007 but soon it became apparent that player expectations were such that they had to push Avatar Combat forward in order to launch with it.
“What do you expect when you think of Pirates?” asked Lead Designer Kevin Maginn who led the Avatar Combat Revamp project, “You think Captain Hook, Bluebeard, Jack Sparrow. You’re thinking of swashbuckling and derring-do. Our ship combat is amazing, but… and there’s that BUT… players wanted and expected avatar combat in a Pirate game.”
Avatar combat was added to the game just about 18 months before launch. Kevin has had this project in his lap since a month after launch and has had the largest team working on avatar combat in the last two months than has ever worked on it. This was ramped up even in the last month with almost everyone in the studio working on it. New hires were also placed under his disposal.
“We finally had the luxury to budget enough time to do it right,” said Kevin. “I’ve even spent additional time on it and moved the launch date back a couple of times.”
Rusty had always been candid with me and he was no less today. “Avatar combat wasn’t where it should be when we launched.” He said.
“It wasn’t fun,” said Misha. “I never knew what I was doing right and what I was doing wrong in the old system.”
“Button spamming was our fault,” added Rusty, “We didn’t get it right and didn’t teach the players right. Those that did get it were true terrors on the high seas but they were far and few between.”
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“The old system also made tuning very difficult,” continued Misha, “but we have a new tutorial system and new daily missions to allow players to learn the new system. It’s easier to learn, but not necessarily easier to master.”
“Actually, Misha got good.” Said Kevin. “She never played Avatar combat before in the old system. But she got so good in the new system that she was telling the Mission designers that missions were too simple, where as some of the guys was getting eaten in the play-through.”
So what has changed essentially in the Avatar Combat system?
“We got rid of gimped,” said Rusty with great satisfaction. It was much too easy in the old system, explained Kevin, to create a character that was ineffective. Players had to pick the right combination of skills to make a character that was effective in Avatar Combat. If you missed out on the “verbal tradition” or the spoiler on the forums on the right skills to choose in each school, you could indeed, “spoil” your character.
“My overarching vision for the Avatar Combat can be summed into two words,” said Kevin, “More action.” The original system did not provide a very active combat system and there was no visceral sense of “I hit a button and some bad guy died.” The new system looks impressive. The fight sequences have gotten “cinematic” as the ability to cut through swathes of enemies getting to the big bad guy and then going head to head with him is finally available to the player. Kevin has ramped up the excitement level of Avatar Combat system in PotBS.
In a nutshell, here are the major changes:
Changes to Skills
Skill chains: Skill chains are now much longer and reduced to the three archetypical skills in MMOs – Offense, Defense and Control (healing being a different issue in PotBS)
Kevin has tried to eliminate “fillers’ and has tried to make every skill a powerful, functional skill. Almost all skills are now Area of Effect that may be 90, 180, 270 and even 360 degree cones. Even the first skill you gain is an AE. None of this one-point plinking “basic attack” weak scratch here! Following any skill chain will make an effective character as will mixing and matching the skills. But the final skill can only be gained from one chain. With fewer skills, it was easier to tune each skill and to ensure that any permutation and combination of the skills that a player could choose would make an effective character.
There are also optional skill chains available, apart from the Offense, Defense and Control of each school of fighting, and these are:
Gun skills, which launches at the same time as the revamp. “Point blank” is the first skill available in this chain and is usable in close combat. “Cross shot” is the only AE ranged skill and a grand opening move, I am told, and the final skill of the chain allows you to really “kick butt” with guns as it provides rapid reload and fire.
Brawling is another optional skill chain, and is all about hand to hand combat. This will be available at a later date, and
Supernatural skills is something they are taking a longer look at. No promises at this point in time on how or when this skill chain will be available.
There is an emphasis on skill chain combos with synergies within the skill chain as well as cross synergies within the group. All these will be apparent with the improved UI. Buffs are now more obvious, and every combat school has a few group buffs.
“Buffs aren’t subtle effects anymore. They are more like a punch in the gut,” said Kevin, “The result is that there’s increased interaction between players.”
To ease player acceptance and understanding, Flying Lab has released and will continue releasing articles on their website about the changes to Avatar Combat. It is playable on their test server now, and daily missions in the form of Pit Fights are good training missions. Avatar dueling is also available to players and the cost of respeccing has been reduced drastically, allowing players to try out different builds at low costs.
“We want to make this as painless as possible with the largest possible pay-off,” said Kevin, none of this get back all your skill points with no tips or hints as to what the new skills do.
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Other changes in Avatar Combat
Initiative: Initiative is now front loaded. Players start off with full initiative so the fight can be opened with a big flashy move. Some skills require more initiative than others, others boost initiative and initiative will regen during battle.
Balance: Balance has been replaced by Guard. Guard acts like a ship’s armor and is basically your Armor Class in other MMOs. Except that in PoTBS, you don’t have to wear plate to get better AC. Skills and equipment can affect it and it regens over time as well.
“Those are the basic differences in Avatar Combat,” Kevin concluded. “It is different and dramatically so. It is better in every way, and it is the product of a more thoughtful approach, the product of the six to eight months more that the system really needed.”
Software Test Engineer Kate Field ran me through a few missions to show me the new combat system. She was a player before she became an employee at Flying Lab.
“It’s so empowering,” she enthused, “Everything you do, you know what you did.”
“We’ve also revised the entire set of animations,” said Kevin, “The ability to see what you did and what happens provides you instant visceral feedback.”
With the new combat revamp, I was warned that NPCs also do different things now, but with the revised animation set, players will also be able to get quick visual cues of what they are and what they are doing or about to do.
“You’ll be able to see that this guy’s the Brute, that’s the Commander and be able to quickly decide which one you need to address first,” continued Kevin.
The Content Team has also been very pleased with the new Avatar Combat system and have used it extensively for the next story mission, “Black Sails and Dread Saints.” The two story missions currently in game will also receive updates dues to the revamp. This is not just a respeccing of skills for a class or two, but really, a game changing improvement. Every avatar combat mission had to be reworked and retuned, and players will find that boarding and combat on board ship will also be very different.
With this upcoming milestone (M11), Avatar Combat will come into it’s own in PotBS. No longer just a “side-line” item, Avatar Combat will stand proud and equal in importance to Ship Combat and PotBS becomes a dual combat game. By land and by sea, two equally kick-butt combat systems in a single game.
It was said over and over again on the forums, here, their mains, and in beta....they tried to squeeze in an avatar system that was poorly designed, and buggy as hell. It was done at a crucial time in the development process....the last year before launch, when the game should have been getting polished and cleaned for launch. They had many, many clues as to the issue...heck, their own PRODUCER couldn't even play it correctly!
Instead, too many issues with the main, originally intended, game got through, due to lack of attention....and within three months, the game was floundering. They admitted back then that the av combat was "unfun". They admitted it was "gimpy". Did they admit its rushed inclusion helped bork the game? No. Are they planning to give any type of refund or credit to those subscribers who have been playing a game with a fundamental system that's "unfun", "gimped", "rushed" and "poorly designed", as per the creators?
Yeah....right.
But, hey, it's water under the bridge...or, filling the below decks as it were...The game's on life support, no matter how many non-numbered subscription statements they give. I'm sure SoE's station pass numbers are helping inflate, so that FLS can scrounge around funs for a second attempt at an MMO (something that may just be over their heads).
Heck...we may even have to thank SoE a bit on this one. Had they not botched the publishing/distribution of the game as much as they did, more folks may have payed to play another waste of a disc. Their producer incompetence actually SAVED people money.
What an industry!
I followed the game for over two years.I never got a beta invite but finally got a pre-launch trial. I saw the world was very limited.I could not just sail where I wanted to and felt the game was more of a simulation than the kind of open game I wanted.So...saved from buying this game.
Supernatural combat? I thought this was supposed to be a historical MMORPG, not fantasy. In Pirates of the Caribbean its OK, because its a pirate fantasy. Why are they changing their mind now? Seems really stupid if you ask me. Unless its explained as being superstition, not real. That I guess might work, maybe.
Oh come now, the game is not that bad. Neither was the avatar combat. Sure it needed some changes, but still a good game. I really liked the ship combat, it is very realistic.
I just hope it can stay afloat.
I always thought this was a great game. I didn't play it beyond my release month - I don't know why. I think because I'm looking for a bit more sense of ownership in a MMORPG, and no MMORPG save for SWG, UO and EVE to some degree have offered me that. I hope that the game stays afloat and it will be able to offer something like that in the future.
t's optional content and it's always been there.
too little too late
Agreed. My first reaction was , this game is like AoC in a different setting. Same limited gameplay, heavily instanced. The graphics were underwhelming also.
Its one of the worst games simply because they dont know the difference between PvP and ganking, but not only because of that... And the dev team support it... The avatar combat is a joke, I have seen MANY flash games beter than this... Changing it now doenst make any difference, since there is others aspects equally lousy in this horrible ´game´... As, for example, the instances, and the total lack of immersion (a high sea game where you are unable to explore). Avatar combat was the worst, but this game is so bad that doesnt make difference ,since the people just ignored the avatar combat, and even so, the game was bad...
Ah, wasnt the avatar ´good and working as planned´ a loong time ago, in the word of the devs? Good to hear that they understood now the most OBVIOUS flaw of this game, unfortunatelly its too late and there is too many things to fix before this thing became playable...
Sounds to me like another CU or NGE, dont fiix fix the core problems just make changes in hope that the people wont notice how broke things are. Smells like an SOE plan to me. I beta'd the game and saw then that it wasnt going to stay afloat, which is sad cause in theory this game sounded great. But they did so many things wrong that it amazed me, I had to keep playing into launch just to see how much they could screw up. Kinda like watching a car wreck, hard to to stare at the tragedy. These companies need to quit trying to breath life back into the dead and let things go.
I never played this game, but I'll say one thing:
HOT DAMN!!! for designers and creators who actually say "Hey, WE screwed up with this avatar" or "This wasn't fun and we needed to fix it" "We dropped the ball on this". I think this may be the first time I've seen a developer actually get right down to it and fess up in public. These guys are real men. (and ladies^^)worthy of praise for leveling with the customers.
Thank you for a very good interview and thank you for a breath of honesty.
If only the bigger companies like Mythic and Funcom would admit things instead of beating around the fairy bush, they might get some respect from the MMO community. Mythic has chosen to not admit any of its glaring mistakes and would rather let the rabid War fans savage the 10's of 1000's who quit by saying they played Warhammer 'wrong'. lol.. Funcom was just in denial (not the river in Egypt) wouldn't admit anything.
Again, refreshing for some developer honesty and not "Well, we think we can do better explaining the nuances of our game as fans don't get it fully". BS.
/bigclap PoTBS developers
I wish this game nothing but success as they move forward.
500'th post Gratz :P
And FLS was saying for a LONG time were right your wrong so Fuck off. there are threads about it on these fourms. The fact that they are FINALLY getting off their High Horse asses and starting to lissen is a good first step. But there is a LONG road to go and a LOT more pride that they will have to swallow before it gets to the point most will resub.
The game is not at all bad.
Ships RVR was good but unfortunately slow and seemed repetitive and lacked variety
What sucked big time was avatar gameplay but that can be undrstood as i was not part of origianl gameplay and was added later
Crafting was really good
I always wanted to test a trial once the avatar gameplay is fixed.Its good to know that Tabula rasa bowed down and these people didnt
Theya re a small team they can make it profitabl;e also Sony station pass helps a lot
I suggest people give it a trial after avatar gameplay is fixed
This is like putting the cork from the wine you just drank to plug up the big gapping hole in the side of your boat. To little to late. Maybe you should not have been steering your boat drunk? OMG
Just out of interest...if the game is so "unfun," "gimpy" etc. and players know this, why are they still paying to play it? You can't exactly ask for credit for something you willingly payed for knowing all-too-well the implications.
Who knows maybe this will shape it up to a playable status, cause it sure the hell wasn't before.
Just out of interest...if the game is so "unfun," "gimpy" etc. and players know this, why are they still paying to play it? You can't exactly ask for credit for something you willingly payed for knowing all-too-well the implications.
To be fair, there is some truth to your statement. I don't have a lot of sympathy for folks that have been willingly paying for a sub-par product, especially if they are fully aware of how sub-par it is.
However, I could argue two points in favor of SOME sort of refund/rebate:
1) Not every player that's been in the game, playing and paying, is AWARE that the devs admitted to the inadequacies of the game. It was mentioned early on, in a random interview or two, but not exactly shouted from the rooftops. It wasn't, to my knowledge, ever posted on the main page....at least, not until the announcement of the revamp. So, I'm confident that there were plenty of players who payed and played without being FULLY aware that the devs themselves considered a third of the game to be broken.
2) Some people may stay around because of the OTHER parts of the design that they do like....namely, the two-thirds that were working properly. For them, the avatar combat might not be a game-breaker. And so, yes, they probably don't NEED a rebate/refund. BUT!!!!!!!!! If we are talking about PRINCIPLE's here, and FLS likes to present themselves as being highly principled, then even if folks are enjoying other aspects of the game, they are PAYING full price (15 dollars per month) for a game that isn't, by dev admission, fully designed! Should FLS ever have charged full price for the game, regardless of player reception, if the KNEW it was 1/3 incomplete? I'd say that a sign of high principles would be to answer that question "no", and maybe give a few bucks back to the folks keeping them in business right now.
I fully admit, though, that this is how I see it, and that its VERY unlikely they would do anything of the sort.
Credit on a good comment/reply. Thanks. :)
A lot of players have paid full price for a sub-par SOE subscription mmo.
Avcom was one example that should have been done before release, the re-vamp has diverted almost the complete FLS dev staff from other important in-game issues.
Not many original subcribers still play & are not going to easily forgive FLS for all its mistakes.