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  GTwander

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Posts: 6125

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6/19/12 10:25:45 PM#21
Originally posted by Terranah

Pretty soon these greedy companies will bring down all kinds of regulations on our heads for virtual items.  Who knows, maybe someday we will have to start claiming ingame gold as income on an irs form.  Sounds crazy doesn't it?  But if you can equate ingame gold with real world money, the government will want a piece.

< officially a little freaked out.

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  doodphace

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Joined: 6/19/12
Posts: 1208

6/19/12 10:26:32 PM#22
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by zymurgeist

How the hell are they going to chargeback a auction item? Paypal has already agreed not to. You chargeback paypal and you're in for a fight. If you chargeback a game purchase Blizzard bans all your accounts and refuses to deal with you again.

If I were Blizzard, I'd also be sending them a bill. If they refused to pay, I'd sic a collections agency on them. That'll look really good on their credit reports, eh?

Actually blizzard would need to appeal to the CC company or file suit. I don't know the mass at which this is happening but if a few thousand people chargeback for "bait and switch" then blizzard could see its name on a blacklist.

What makes it interesting is how it'll all unfold, the early damages could really harm blizzard even if they can be fixed or "justly" corrected later.

RMAH went live a few weeks after the IAS nerf was announced, how is this anybody's fault other than the poeple to bought the item on the RMAH? I am not sure what more Blizz could have done other than blocking item with IAS on them from being sold, which I am not sure is even technically possible. They gave everybody ample warning.

Logic is hard on this forum apparently.

  doodphace

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Joined: 6/19/12
Posts: 1208

6/19/12 10:27:49 PM#23
Originally posted by Terranah
Originally posted by doodphace

IAS nerf was announced close to 3 weeks ago...RMAH went live 7 days ago...how in the world are any of those RMAH purchaces "bait & switch" or in any way worthy of a refund?

Relax folkes, your fanboy nerd rage organs are showing...

The majority of people don't read the forums remember.  Forum people only represent a very small minority of gamers.  So it's very possible many people had no idea.

That would make sense, except that it was previewed on the login screen for weeks now....plus the same people you claim don't use the forums, are the same ones complaing on the forums...hmmm...

  Rednecksith

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/12/09
Posts: 1272

Bite my fiery metal ass!

6/19/12 10:30:29 PM#24
Originally posted by Terranah
Originally posted by doodphace

IAS nerf was announced close to 3 weeks ago...RMAH went live 7 days ago...how in the world are any of those RMAH purchaces "bait & switch" or in any way worthy of a refund?

Relax folkes, your fanboy nerd rage organs are showing...

The majority of people don't read the forums remember.  Forum people only represent a very small minority of gamers.  So it's very possible many people had no idea.

Ignorance is no excuse. Furthermore, you can't even make the argument that some people don't have internet access, because you need it to even play the game in the first place.

If people choose not to keep up with the latest dev news regarding their games that's hardly Blizzard's fault.

  doodphace

Elite Member

Joined: 6/19/12
Posts: 1208

6/19/12 10:31:58 PM#25
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by Terranah
Originally posted by doodphace

IAS nerf was announced close to 3 weeks ago...RMAH went live 7 days ago...how in the world are any of those RMAH purchaces "bait & switch" or in any way worthy of a refund?

Relax folkes, your fanboy nerd rage organs are showing...

The majority of people don't read the forums remember.  Forum people only represent a very small minority of gamers.  So it's very possible many people had no idea.

Ignorance is no excuse. Furthermore, you can't even make the argument that some people don't have internet access, because you need it to even play the game in the first place.

If people choose not to keep up with the latest dev news regarding their games that's hardly Blizzard's fault.

Guys...it was previewed on the launcher for weeks now....you would have had to willfully ignore it...

There is no "bait & switch" here...only folks that hate blizz who wanna complain....

  Aori

Novice Member

Joined: 1/28/06
Posts: 1746

 
OP  6/19/12 10:35:01 PM#26
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by zymurgeist

How the hell are they going to chargeback a auction item? Paypal has already agreed not to. You chargeback paypal and you're in for a fight. If you chargeback a game purchase Blizzard bans all your accounts and refuses to deal with you again.

If I were Blizzard, I'd also be sending them a bill. If they refused to pay, I'd sic a collections agency on them. That'll look really good on their credit reports, eh?

Actually blizzard would need to appeal to the CC company or file suit. I don't know the mass at which this is happening but if a few thousand people chargeback for "bait and switch" then blizzard could see its name on a blacklist.

What makes it interesting is how it'll all unfold, the early damages could really harm blizzard even if they can be fixed or "justly" corrected later.

RMAH went live a few weeks after the IAS nerf was announced, how is this anybody's fault other than the poeple to bought the item on the RMAH? I am not sure what more Blizz could have done other than blocking item with IAS on them from being sold, which I am not sure is even technically possible. They gave everybody ample warning.

Logic is hard on this forum apparently.

You really made a new account for this? I'm not arguing right or wrong here. The damage is going to happen, i'm just curious how it'll play out.

As for logic? what are you talking about. The situation is new for the most part and the scale is very large.

  User Deleted
6/19/12 10:36:00 PM#27

Ignore anyone who says it isnt bait and switch.  You're showing an item with X stats 1 day a person buys it and you change that item the next day BAIT N SWITCH by the very definition it doesn't matter if the person knew it might happen or not.   They're diminishing the value of your item without your consent.    Furthermore they're opening up pandoras box with this RMAH they have always said you do not own your character or items in wow and other games.  They cannot say that anymore because you're buying an item where they PROFIT from it.

  doodphace

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Joined: 6/19/12
Posts: 1208

6/19/12 10:38:59 PM#28
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by zymurgeist

How the hell are they going to chargeback a auction item? Paypal has already agreed not to. You chargeback paypal and you're in for a fight. If you chargeback a game purchase Blizzard bans all your accounts and refuses to deal with you again.

If I were Blizzard, I'd also be sending them a bill. If they refused to pay, I'd sic a collections agency on them. That'll look really good on their credit reports, eh?

Actually blizzard would need to appeal to the CC company or file suit. I don't know the mass at which this is happening but if a few thousand people chargeback for "bait and switch" then blizzard could see its name on a blacklist.

What makes it interesting is how it'll all unfold, the early damages could really harm blizzard even if they can be fixed or "justly" corrected later.

RMAH went live a few weeks after the IAS nerf was announced, how is this anybody's fault other than the poeple to bought the item on the RMAH? I am not sure what more Blizz could have done other than blocking item with IAS on them from being sold, which I am not sure is even technically possible. They gave everybody ample warning.

Logic is hard on this forum apparently.

You really made a new account for this? I'm not arguing right or wrong here. The damage is going to happen, i'm just curious how it'll play out.

As for logic? what are you talking about. The situation is new for the most part and the scale is very large.

Yes..I actually created a new account to comment on this...is that frowned upon here?

As for logic, im refering to the fact that people are raging bloody murder claiming bait and switch, when it was clearely layed out by Blizz in every possible way (including on the mandatory launcher) before the RMAH was even released...

If you are impacted by this, it is your own fault, there really is no discussion to be had on it.

  doodphace

Elite Member

Joined: 6/19/12
Posts: 1208

6/19/12 10:41:25 PM#29
Originally posted by William12

Ignore anyone who says it isnt bait and switch.  You're showing an item with X stats 1 day a person buys it and you change that item the next day BAIT N SWITCH by the very definition it doesn't matter if the person knew it might happen or not. 

The IAS nerf was never a "might happen or not", it was a "this is happening"

Knowing the change will happen before you bought the item is the exact opposite of "bait and switch"....

I can't believe what I am reading here.

  Aori

Novice Member

Joined: 1/28/06
Posts: 1746

 
OP  6/19/12 10:43:10 PM#30
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by zymurgeist

How the hell are they going to chargeback a auction item? Paypal has already agreed not to. You chargeback paypal and you're in for a fight. If you chargeback a game purchase Blizzard bans all your accounts and refuses to deal with you again.

If I were Blizzard, I'd also be sending them a bill. If they refused to pay, I'd sic a collections agency on them. That'll look really good on their credit reports, eh?

Actually blizzard would need to appeal to the CC company or file suit. I don't know the mass at which this is happening but if a few thousand people chargeback for "bait and switch" then blizzard could see its name on a blacklist.

What makes it interesting is how it'll all unfold, the early damages could really harm blizzard even if they can be fixed or "justly" corrected later.

RMAH went live a few weeks after the IAS nerf was announced, how is this anybody's fault other than the poeple to bought the item on the RMAH? I am not sure what more Blizz could have done other than blocking item with IAS on them from being sold, which I am not sure is even technically possible. They gave everybody ample warning.

Logic is hard on this forum apparently.

You really made a new account for this? I'm not arguing right or wrong here. The damage is going to happen, i'm just curious how it'll play out.

As for logic? what are you talking about. The situation is new for the most part and the scale is very large.

Yes..I actually created a new account to comment on this...is that frowned upon here?

As for logic, im refering to the fact that people are raging bloody murder claiming bait and switch, when it was clearely layed out by Blizz in every possible way (including on the mandatory launcher) before the RMAH was even released...

If you are impacted by this, it is your own fault, there really is no discussion to be had on it.

I've not purchased a single thing from the RMAH, i've profited from it greatly though.

However there is a real discussion for this as it could great impact online gaming as we know it. Things can go alot of ways with this, either swept under the rug or blizzard fights it. If Blizzard really does try to fight this in some form or another, it could garner some unwanted attention to our virtual worlds.

  Rednecksith

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/12/09
Posts: 1272

Bite my fiery metal ass!

6/19/12 10:46:01 PM#31
Originally posted by William12

Ignore anyone who says it isnt bait and switch.  You're showing an item with X stats 1 day a person buys it and you change that item the next day BAIT N SWITCH by the very definition it doesn't matter if the person knew it might happen or not.   They're diminihsing the value of your item without your consent.  

Sigh...

Except I'll point out, once again, that PEOPLE WERE TOLD IAS WAS GOING TO BE NERFED LONG BEFORE THE RMAH CAME OUT. If you bought an item with IAS on it, you pretty much had to wilfully ignore the launcher's splash page, dev blogs, and the forums to not know it would be changing. Plenty of 3rd party sites even covered it. There is ZERO excuse for ignorance here.

Bait and switch implies there was no warning, or that a product was falsely advertised. Neither of these things occurred. Furthermore, the credit cards were used to buy Blizzard's proprietary currency, not the items themselves. At the most, people should be petitioning Blizzard for their currency back, which if approved would also remove the item. I will say that given the circumstances, even that's a stretch.

Charging back a credit card for this is borderline fraudulent, and I hope the people who do so at least get their Blizzard accounts permabanned and their name blacklisted.

  bcbully

Elite Member

Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 6962

6/19/12 10:46:16 PM#32

Man I took a look at the forums too. It looks like the swtor forums...

  doodphace

Elite Member

Joined: 6/19/12
Posts: 1208

6/19/12 10:46:39 PM#33
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by zymurgeist

How the hell are they going to chargeback a auction item? Paypal has already agreed not to. You chargeback paypal and you're in for a fight. If you chargeback a game purchase Blizzard bans all your accounts and refuses to deal with you again.

If I were Blizzard, I'd also be sending them a bill. If they refused to pay, I'd sic a collections agency on them. That'll look really good on their credit reports, eh?

Actually blizzard would need to appeal to the CC company or file suit. I don't know the mass at which this is happening but if a few thousand people chargeback for "bait and switch" then blizzard could see its name on a blacklist.

What makes it interesting is how it'll all unfold, the early damages could really harm blizzard even if they can be fixed or "justly" corrected later.

RMAH went live a few weeks after the IAS nerf was announced, how is this anybody's fault other than the poeple to bought the item on the RMAH? I am not sure what more Blizz could have done other than blocking item with IAS on them from being sold, which I am not sure is even technically possible. They gave everybody ample warning.

Logic is hard on this forum apparently.

You really made a new account for this? I'm not arguing right or wrong here. The damage is going to happen, i'm just curious how it'll play out.

As for logic? what are you talking about. The situation is new for the most part and the scale is very large.

Yes..I actually created a new account to comment on this...is that frowned upon here?

As for logic, im refering to the fact that people are raging bloody murder claiming bait and switch, when it was clearely layed out by Blizz in every possible way (including on the mandatory launcher) before the RMAH was even released...

If you are impacted by this, it is your own fault, there really is no discussion to be had on it.

I've not purchased a single thing from the RMAH, i've profited from it greatly though.

However there is a real discussion for this as it could great impact online gaming as we know it. Things can go alot of ways with this, either swept under the rug or blizzard fights it. If Blizzard really does try to fight this in some form or another, it could garner some unwanted attention to our virtual worlds.


There is nothing for Blizz to fight, this is not the first time a company has changed stat values in an RPG, and it will not be the last...all of which you "accpted" by using the RMAH.

Blizz didnt even have to give a warning about the nerf, but they did...ample...there really is no discussion here.

  strumpf

Novice Member

Joined: 6/04/12
Posts: 13

6/19/12 10:51:00 PM#34

I like how this chargeback thing is something we do now. Way to shit the bed.

  leftyZX

Novice Member

Joined: 3/16/12
Posts: 9

6/19/12 10:59:08 PM#35
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by zymurgeist

How the hell are they going to chargeback a auction item? Paypal has already agreed not to. You chargeback paypal and you're in for a fight. If you chargeback a game purchase Blizzard bans all your accounts and refuses to deal with you again.

If I were Blizzard, I'd also be sending them a bill. If they refused to pay, I'd sic a collections agency on them. That'll look really good on their credit reports, eh?

Actually blizzard would need to appeal to the CC company or file suit. I don't know the mass at which this is happening but if a few thousand people chargeback for "bait and switch" then blizzard could see its name on a blacklist.

What makes it interesting is how it'll all unfold, the early damages could really harm blizzard even if they can be fixed or "justly" corrected later.

RMAH went live a few weeks after the IAS nerf was announced, how is this anybody's fault other than the poeple to bought the item on the RMAH? I am not sure what more Blizz could have done other than blocking item with IAS on them from being sold, which I am not sure is even technically possible. They gave everybody ample warning.

Logic is hard on this forum apparently.

You really made a new account for this? I'm not arguing right or wrong here. The damage is going to happen, i'm just curious how it'll play out.

As for logic? what are you talking about. The situation is new for the most part and the scale is very large.

Yes..I actually created a new account to comment on this...is that frowned upon here?

As for logic, im refering to the fact that people are raging bloody murder claiming bait and switch, when it was clearely layed out by Blizz in every possible way (including on the mandatory launcher) before the RMAH was even released...

If you are impacted by this, it is your own fault, there really is no discussion to be had on it.

I've not purchased a single thing from the RMAH, i've profited from it greatly though.

However there is a real discussion for this as it could great impact online gaming as we know it. Things can go alot of ways with this, either swept under the rug or blizzard fights it. If Blizzard really does try to fight this in some form or another, it could garner some unwanted attention to our virtual worlds.


There is nothing for Blizz to fight, this is not the first time a company has changed stat values in an RPG, and it will not be the last...all of which you "accpted" by using the RMAH.

Blizz didnt even have to give a warning about the nerf, but they did...ample...there really is no discussion here.

still blizz known that they going nerf it, but still they launch RMAH instead

there lots of kids lazy enough wont read news and update notes, are they aiming this kids for small extra cash?

  emperorwings

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Joined: 12/25/06
Posts: 1305

6/19/12 11:01:13 PM#36

Chargeback = autoban until you repay. That's how other games deal with it.

This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  xenogias

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/13/07
Posts: 1945

6/19/12 11:01:18 PM#37

Its going to be interesting to follow. The first few claims I'm sure CC/Banks just thought bait and switch. However if as many people are making claims as are claiming to be making them I'm sure the companies are actually looking into whats going on. If the banks/CC companies, after looking into the facts still claim Bait and Switch Blizzard is screwed. As big of a company as Blizzard is they dont hold a candle to companies like that.

Not only that but if the players win on this one its HUGE for the gaming industry in general. You will see thoes anoying lawyers that run TV adds for retarted class action lawsuits trying to sue evrey game company that ever changes an item in thier game if real money was involved beyond the initial purchase. This would NOT be good for the industry as a whole.

  TheHavok

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Joined: 7/13/04
Posts: 2406

"Free crack and everybody gets laid."

6/19/12 11:03:07 PM#38

So, atleast in my company, when a player does a charge-back, no matter how big of a spender he or she is, their account is immediately banned.  Next, two things happen:

1) The player agrees to give us the money that he/she owes.  We will then restore their account.

2) The player is fine with having their account banned.  We then challenge the charge-back with the company, whether it is paypal, google checkout, ect.  If enough evidence is provided showing transaction and usage, we may still get the money.  Usually we lose on the premise of most companies will side with their customers (the players) no questions ask.

  laserit

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Joined: 3/24/10
Posts: 1367

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6/19/12 11:03:21 PM#39

As far as I am concerned the RMAH is a real sleezy way for ActiBlizz to print money. Nothing but a conflict of interest involved with it period.

 

Talk about control of the market lol. Makes bankers look good.

 

I hope they get a shit load of bad publicity, they deserve it for putting the utter garbage that is an RMAH into a game.

Zenimax kicked my dog

  zukster2k5

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/09/11
Posts: 14

6/19/12 11:05:05 PM#40

They never said how they were going to nerf attack speed. They just said they were going to nerf it. It could have been a very minor nerf. But when you nerf the ITEM instead of the stat your going to be in a heap of trouble.

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