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Diablo 3 Forum » General Discussion » Is Diablo 3 less addictive than Diablo 2?

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OP  6/17/12 6:07:54 PM#1

Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

 

http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

 

Any thoughts?

 

I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

  zymurgeist

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6/17/12 6:16:33 PM#2
Originally posted by 7star

Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

 

http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

 

Any thoughts?

 

I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

 That's entirely up to the individual. He's also basing his argument on two false premises. That you have to use the auction house and that human beings prefer to be rewarded but not to be challenged. Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

"Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law

  stayBlind

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6/17/12 6:20:21 PM#3

Played D2 for years.

Played D3 for weeks.

Yea, I got bored sadly.

Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.

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OP  6/17/12 6:30:46 PM#4
Originally posted by zymurgeist 
 Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

Ha...I hope you're right, but I sometimes have my doubts. ;)

  baphamet

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6/17/12 9:40:09 PM#5

no game will ever be as addicting as D2 or any other online game that came out in that time frame.

i cracked out on D2 unlike any other game other than EQ. are there better games than those two? yes, from a technical standpoint there are countless games better than both of them IMO

but i will never get back that feeling i got when i first started playing online PC games like D2, EQ, and Daoc.

i know in my heart that i will never play the same game for years again, no matter what game it is. the only way i can see myself playing a game that long is if a game comes out that is so innovative and far and away better than everything else out there, that nothing else compares.

i just don't see that happening any time soon.

  dannydeuce

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6/17/12 10:38:51 PM#6
Originally posted by stayBlind

Played D2 for years.

Played D3 for weeks.

Yea, I got bored sadly.

This.

 

I played D2 for so long and it really was fun every single playthrough.  The loot grind was amazing.  Outside of a few obvious flaws, this game is easily top 3 all time for me.

I played D3 for less than a month.  The game took many steps backwards on all levels from D2.  I am shocked by how much I don't want to play this game anymore.  Everytime I log in, I log off after playing for 5-10 minutes.  It's just boring.

  User Deleted
6/17/12 10:39:58 PM#7
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by 7star

Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

 

http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

 

Any thoughts?

 

I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

 That's entirely up to the individual. He's also basing his argument on two false premises. That you have to use the auction house and that human beings prefer to be rewarded but not to be challenged. Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

There is no way anyone completes inferno without the use of the AH. The drops are nerfed because it is easier to get gear from the AH.

  baphamet

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6/17/12 10:52:02 PM#8


Originally posted by Mephster There is no way anyone completes inferno without the use of the AH. The drops are nerfed because it is easier to get gear from the AH.

inferno was beat within days after release, just sayin.

  bhima

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6/17/12 10:53:19 PM#9

If it is, one of the other reasons could be: people who loved D2 didn't realize they've grown out of grinding gear all day every day in a loot pinata syle game. You get older, you get exposed to different, more complex games and the older style of motivation by loot drops just doesn't sustain enjoyment like it used to.

  Purples

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6/17/12 11:05:34 PM#10
Originally posted by bhima

If it is, one of the other reasons could be: people who loved D2 didn't realize they've grown out of grinding gear all day every day in a loot pinata syle game. You get older, you get exposed to different, more complex games and the older style of motivation by loot drops just doesn't sustain enjoyment like it used to.

You see I loved grinding gear in Diablo 2. The posibilites of what could drop is what I loved. Diablo 3 is boring as hell. I killed inferno diablo on my barb without 1 item dropping from inferno that was an upgrade to what I had purchased (gold) on the AH. I found out I actually lose gold (pre RMAH) by playing the game. I was making gold hand over fist and upgrading my gear by playing the AH and getting maybe 300k by playing the game. I was making millions when I didn't actually log into the game past the AH. The drop rates killed the game for me. I had countless hours farming inferno and gained next to nothing. Probably sold 1-3 items that were decent. Nothing great dropped the whole time. I have now been playing the Path of Exile beta and love every minute of the grind for gear. IMO it is the real sucessor to Diablo 2.

TL;DR - Basically the grind is pointless as the drop rates suck and you get better gear/more money by not logging in and playing the AH. Thats the reason I don't play D3.

Edit: Spelling

  FrodoFragins

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6/18/12 12:16:47 AM#11

Yeah it's less addicting.  Mainly because I can't farm A4 Hell or A1 Inferno and expect to find stuff to help me in A2 Inferno and beyond.  I have a glass cannon DH at A2 Inferno Belial and a Barb at the beginning of A2 Inferno.  They are basically stuck unless I farm gold to buy items in the AH.  That's really boring to me.  I've been slowly leveling the other classes and a solo Barb instead.

 

I am eagerly awaiting 1.03, but any dreams I had of selling stuff on the RMAH are long dead thanks to the botters and the boredom of farming in the game in its current state.  The itemization and drops are terrible in D3 right now.

  Naral

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6/18/12 12:21:27 AM#12
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Yeah it's less addicting.  Mainly because I can't farm A4 Hell or A1 Inferno and expect to find stuff to help me in A2 Inferno and beyond.  I have a glass cannon DH at A2 Inferno Belial and a Barb at the beginning of A2 Inferno.  They are basically stuck unless I farm gold to buy items in the AH.  That's really boring to me.  I've been slowly leveling the other classes and a solo Barb instead.

 

I am eagerly awaiting 1.03, but any dreams I had of selling stuff on the RMAH are long dead thanks to the botters and the boredom of farming in the game in its current state.  The itemization and drops are terrible in D3 right now.

You beat me by a long shot. I cannot even be bothered to play through on Nightmare, heh. Maybe I am getting old, who knows, but once I wrapped the story up the first time, at around level 31 or so, I went right into "to-hell-with-this mode, it's summer." 

I doubt I will touch this game again, to be honest. There is enough coming out, and I have a busy summer both work and family wise, I am not even tempted.

So, to answer the OP, in my case, it is WAY less addictive than D2.

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OP  6/18/12 5:18:37 AM#13
Originally posted by boonism
TL;DR - Basically the grind is pointless as the drop rates suck and you get better gear/more money by not logging in and playing the AH. Thats the reason I don't play D3.

 

This is the horror that has dawned on me. 

 

I am looking to patch 1.03 and if that doesn't work, then it's D2 till TL2 comes out, hopefully soon.

  zymurgeist

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6/18/12 6:16:53 AM#14
Originally posted by Mephster
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by 7star

Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

 

http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

 

Any thoughts?

 

I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

 That's entirely up to the individual. He's also basing his argument on two false premises. That you have to use the auction house and that human beings prefer to be rewarded but not to be challenged. Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

There is no way anyone completes inferno without the use of the AH. The drops are nerfed because it is easier to get gear from the AH.

 You know I wish people would quit telling me I've done the impossible. It's going to make it hard to fit my head through doorways. I've done it. I'm not even that good, just persistant.

"Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law

  Z3R01

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6/18/12 6:25:26 AM#15
Originally posted by 7star
Originally posted by boonism
TL;DR - Basically the grind is pointless as the drop rates suck and you get better gear/more money by not logging in and playing the AH. Thats the reason I don't play D3.

 

This is the horror that has dawned on me. 

 

I am looking to patch 1.03 and if that doesn't work, then it's D2 till TL2 comes out, hopefully soon.

Have you tried Path of Exile? Its a f2p Action Rpg. It has a very dark gritty setting, an amazing skill system, Loot thats exciting and a currency system that makes gold sellers avoid the game (because the game doesn't use gold lol).

If you toss the developers like 10 bucks you get access to the beta instantly, or you can sign up and wait.

 

Personally my favorite mechanic in the game is tha passive skill system its completely ripped off of final fantasy 10s grid system lol. 

 

Check out the Templar trailer on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mjrpNrxOAQ

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  thexrated

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6/18/12 6:36:35 AM#16
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by 7star

Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

 

http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

 

Any thoughts?

 

I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

 That's entirely up to the individual. He's also basing his argument on two false premises. That you have to use the auction house and that human beings prefer to be rewarded but not to be challenged. Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

There are a lot of similarities. For example, some people get addicted very quickly even when they know that  many addictions are bad for for them.  Many addictions start out as habits. Also, most people would choose reward over challenge.

Genes, family history and social environment (including socio-economic situation) play a major role in formation of  non-substance related habits and addictions.

While humans are different from monkeys and dogs, there are many similarities in this particular issue.

 

 

 

"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."

  zymurgeist

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6/18/12 6:43:18 AM#17
Originally posted by thexrated
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by 7star

Here is an interesting read in psych 101 terms.

 

http://www.alexc.me/a-scientific-explanation-why-diablo-3-is-less-addictive-than-diablo-2/417/

 

Any thoughts?

 

I've actually started playing D2 a couple of days ago and having more fun than I thought I would, in spite of the dated graphics. 

 That's entirely up to the individual. He's also basing his argument on two false premises. That you have to use the auction house and that human beings prefer to be rewarded but not to be challenged. Humans aren't monkeys. They aren't Pavlov's dogs either.

There are a lot of similarities. For example, some people get addicted very quickly even when they know that  many addictions are bad for for them.  Many addictions start out as habits. Also, most people would choose reward over challenge.

Genes, family history and social environment (including socio-economic situation) play a major role in formation of  non-substance related habits and addictions.

While humans are different from monkeys and dogs, there are many similarities in this particular issue.

 

 

 

 On the surface yes but monkeys aren't known for thrill seeking behavior. You're also not going to get anyone to sit watching an uninteresting screen for long with minor food rewards. Not even children do this. What is on the screen is what compels us not the food rewards. Our behaviors are several orders of magnitude more complex.

"Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law

  Lobotomist

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I got so much trouble on my mind Refuse to lose.

6/18/12 6:43:46 AM#18

D3 is very addictive.

But i can predict it will have shorter lifetime than D2...why ?

Because D3 does not lock you into paticular build. So once you finished Inferno with peticular class you are pretty much finished (for that class)

 

  Z3R01

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6/18/12 6:44:48 AM#19

I don't know about the less addicting bit thats a subjective thing but I do know currently that D3 does not have the potential of longevity that Diablo 2 had.

In Diablo 2 players played around with hundreds of specs and everytime they wanted to use a different spec they had to re-level. This adds a massive amount of playtime to a game. In Diablo 3 you simply switch skills out of combat, swap weapons and you're good to go. Basically roll one version of a class and you're done.

In Diablo 2 while the game was challenging Hell mode was nowhere near as unforgiving as D3s Inferno mode. D3 inferno mode is like a newb cockblock, its furstrating and people are getting bored because of it.

In Diablo 2 there were unique items, stuff people hunted for and the drops were better. In D3 every item has completely random stats. Nothing feels unique, Honesly you could get rid of the gear and place stat tokens in there place and it wouldnt make a difference.

In Diablo 2 people traded items in game and on websites for money but it was completely optional. You didnt feel like you needed to take part to progess. In Diablo 3 the AH/Trading is the focus of the game this leads to gold farming being a big part and many people from my experience get burnt out or bored farming gold.

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  Lobotomist

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I got so much trouble on my mind Refuse to lose.

6/18/12 6:49:23 AM#20
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Yeah it's less addicting.  Mainly because I can't farm A4 Hell or A1 Inferno and expect to find stuff to help me in A2 Inferno and beyond.  I have a glass cannon DH at A2 Inferno Belial and a Barb at the beginning of A2 Inferno.  They are basically stuck unless I farm gold to buy items in the AH.  That's really boring to me.  I've been slowly leveling the other classes and a solo Barb instead.

 

I am eagerly awaiting 1.03, but any dreams I had of selling stuff on the RMAH are long dead thanks to the botters and the boredom of farming in the game in its current state.  The itemization and drops are terrible in D3 right now.

AH (and especially RMAH) flat out kills the fun in the game.

I made a point not to use AH. And am vastly underpowered compared to other people i meet in public games.

On the end as you say you are forced to use AH, wich reduces the game to pointless gold farming - or even worse "pay money to win the game"

And really , you really thought you will be able to compete with gold farmers on RMAH ?

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