Originally posted by Crunchy222

Ive never used the RMAH.  You can do inferno MP 1-3 with cheap gear.  The rest will come as you farm your paragon levels up.

Using the RMAH is just a shortcut.  Play long enough and learn whats valuable for other classes and youll have enough gold to get what you want.

Don't equate using RMAH as putting money into the game or a short cut.

I use RMAH to SELL and buy. The reason? Transaction cost is LOWER for expensive items. And to hedge against gold inflation. I never have to put money into the RMAH, and maintain a positive balance (i.e i made money, however small, of the game).

Gold prices has been plummeting for a whle now from i think a high of $0.50 a million to now ~$0.25 a million. If i have money in the game that i would like to hold for a while (or save up for an upgrade), i would much rather doing it in RMAH, instead in the gold AH.

I use the gold AH for cheaper items that the fix $1 fee in the RMAH is higher than 15%.

Why wouldnt you be able to complete inferno without using RMAH?

There is no RMAH for hardcore characters at all. Of course it is possible. Especially for a character that has infinite number of lives.

Plus I believe that in GAH, there are better items than in RMAH. (correct me if I am wrong)

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Banaghran

Its not the same, it was even said so by a official post (for those of us that are slower :) ), i guess that is where you were not present.

And again noone claimed anything about completing the game, i just claimed that it will be a depressing experience the way drops are designed, and it was even a more depressing experience when inferno was harder and it was much more important to have ok gear.

The simple difference is that there are more affixes to look for per gear piece and more possible affixes per gear piece, and they have already cut some possibilities for ilvl63 gear.

I am not quite sure the loot frequency even compensates for that yet.

Flame on!

:)

 No official post said that. People like to claim that's what Bashiok said but it's not. Apparently you find challenge depressing. I finished the game at 1.03 and it never made me sad. There are more affixes. Only two matter on most pieces and you can adapt to use all but the incorrect stat type and resists or low damage on weapons.  There are also more mobs that drop the best gear besides Baal who was pretty much it in D2.  

Wyatt Cheng: The auction house has absolutely no effect on drop rates. There are conspiracy theories and misunderstandings, but I do want to re-iterate: there is NO interaction whatsoever. Bashiok mentioned earlier that we took the AH into account, so let me expand a little bit on that.

The drop rates were tuned for a player who would never use the Auction House. For the majority of internal development, we didn't have an Auction House, and we all played using our own drops only. I've personally leveled multiple characters from 1 to 60 internally before the game came out using only drops that I found -- we all did.

When we say we "took the AH into account," that means it's one of many factors -- i.e. some players will choose to play without trading, some players would play in a group of 4 where they share drops among each other, and some (as it turns out, many) players would use the AH.

Three weeks after launch, players' gear is much higher than what we were expecting. When I killed the Butcher on Inferno for the first time, I was using a weapon with 492 DPS. There are also certain passives which are much more powerful than they were during internal development. One With Everything, for example, was basically never used internally because we didn't have an auction House. With the auction house, it feels like a mandatory passive. In retrospect we should have seen it coming. In the game's current state, though, it's a powerful Monk ability that gives Monks a big survivability boost and has some interesting (some would argue fun, others would argue negative) effects on gearing.

I consider playing without the Auction House to be a very fun way to play the game. I'm personally planning on rolling some new characters that I'll set aside to be "no-AH/no-twink" characters. Much like in D2 when I would make a new character with a friend and we'd agree with each other not to twink our characters out.

Jay Wilson: And the loot tables are not more vast than D2 because we don't allow items to drop below level 50 in Inferno.

 

Wierd, they do seem to say that :)

May be im just reading too much into it, maybe not, but says nothing about inferno

When the game was first released, there were no enrage timers, and it might have been before "we doubled it" (and i am in no way saying you cannot beat butcher with a 492 dps weapon).

And this is just for fun, "we didnt really test this" :)

And jay in now way adresses affixes or loot quality, hes basically answering "do loot tables have more items in them?" (and d2 will win that one always, with its "loot trees" incorporating basically every item in the game for a 85+ monster), it is again player asks A, developer answers B.

I dunno, maybe they are just bad at PR, but i doubt it, i dont think they dont realize what they are dealing with on battle.net forums, so they must be fogging intentionally. 

Flame on!

:)

Lol at most of these comments. Yes you can do it, but probably not.

You can easily complete inferno without using ther RMAH or GAH. During my time of playing D3 I have never used the RMAH. I don't think any of my friedns have used it. SOme of them don't even know there is an RMAH :D

Originally posted by coretex666

Why wouldnt you be able to complete inferno without using RMAH?

There is no RMAH for hardcore characters at all. Of course it is possible. Especially for a character that has infinite number of lives.

Plus I believe that in GAH, there are better items than in RMAH. (correct me if I am wrong)

That is correct. The reason is that RMAH is limited to $250 ... which is equivalent to around $1B and there are items that worth more.

Secondly, it also don't worth it to use RMAH to do anything that worth less than 5-10M .. so the gAH is a much deeper market.

 

using Real money in Diablo is merly an option, and probably not an option that many people even bother with, you need authenticators and secure paypal accounts and thats before you consider the tax.  Its a lot of faphing around.

 

So, the answer is yes, of course, you can easily completly inferno without using the Auction.  It just comes down to how much time you have available and how much time it will take for you to grow tired of farming.

 

In all honesty, there is no additional entertainment or fun to be got from using self found gear.  Not in softcore anyway.  you can pick up absoloutly amazing gear for peanuts.  There isnt much point in adding several weeks worth of farming time just to save a hundred k

What else are you going to do with your money? Craft?... not likley.

 

 

 

My original intention wasn't to use the gold auction house anyways but since most of the rare are useless, i gave in to temptation and ended up buying a few nice legendaries in the GAH, nice thing bout it is i can have the gear with the stat i wanted lol. Anyways i have another set of question, is act 3 siegebreaker a good location to farm up lots of gold or are there better locations in other acts?

Originally posted by sadWinds

hi guys, i jst dinged 60 on my wiz a couple of hours ago, completed hell and nw im doing inferno. I do not intend on using rmah or the gold auction house to buy gear, prefer do it the old school way by means of my own effort in game. I know this sounds stupid but how long will it take for me to get a good enough gear to hopefully complete inferno without any major problem?

Most of the time im joining a public game instead of single player mode and it brings me to another set of question, does solo have better loot drop than multiplayer or isit just the same?

 I completed inferno without buying anything from either auction house.  I took several runs thru act 2 and act 3 on inferno before  I completed act 4.  I always joined a public game and I think I was largely able to complete the acts without much trouble because I had 1 or 2 uber players in the group that carried most of the weight.

Completed Inferno in Hardcore mode last night. In HC, there is no RMAH.

OP's question answered :)

Originally posted by coretex666

Completed Inferno in Hardcore mode last night. In HC, there is no RMAH.

OP's question answered :)

 Grats. I can't do HC. Not enough patience. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread and all that.

Originally posted by sadeyx

using Real money in Diablo is merly an option, and probably not an option that many people even bother with, you need authenticators and secure paypal accounts and thats before you consider the tax.  Its a lot of faphing around.

 

So, the answer is yes, of course, you can easily completly inferno without using the Auction.  It just comes down to how much time you have available and how much time it will take for you to grow tired of farming.

 

In all honesty, there is no additional entertainment or fun to be got from using self found gear.  Not in softcore anyway.  you can pick up absoloutly amazing gear for peanuts.  There isnt much point in adding several weeks worth of farming time just to save a hundred k

What else are you going to do with your money? Craft?... not likley.

 

 

 

In fact, i found as much joy as selling an item for big bucks (gAH RMAH) or finding an affordable upgrade. When you get to the next upgrade is in the 100M gold (or roughly $25 range), it will take months before you find it in a drop.

 

Originally posted by sadWinds
My original intention wasn't to use the gold auction house anyways but since most of the rare are useless, i gave in to temptation and ended up buying a few nice legendaries in the GAH, nice thing bout it is i can have the gear with the stat i wanted lol. Anyways i have another set of question, is act 3 siegebreaker a good location to farm up lots of gold or are there better locations in other acts?

Typically when i farm (gold & loot), i do MP6 act 3 .. but not siegebreaker. I don't find boss has any loot advantage. It is much easier just set the quest to the end of act 3, and then do crossing, bridge, stonefort (when u have 5NV for key), keep 1-3, crate 1-2, and sometimes i run some of the towers too.

The trick is to do the parts with high mob density. I use to run siegebreaker .. but don't find much reason to do so.