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Diablo 3 Forum » General Discussion » My BIg Question- D3 and PoE

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  Ujirik

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4/28/12 9:11:11 PM#41
Well, Path of Exile may look similar to Diablo 2 at first glance, but it's entirely different.  I've been in the closed beta since shortly after it began and apart from sharing the click to move/attack control system standard to hack 'n slash games, they're nothing alike.  Seriously, have you even played the game?

  StonesDK

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4/28/12 9:12:09 PM#42
Originally posted by Ujirik
Well, Path of Exile may look similar to Diablo 2 at first glance, but it's entirely different.  I've been in the closed beta since shortly after it began and apart from sharing the click to move/attack control system standard to hack 'n slash games, they're nothing alike.  Seriously, have you even played the game?

I'm talking about the looks. I could care less how it plays

 

Diablo 2 much?

  IrishChai

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4/28/12 9:14:44 PM#43
The likely release timing of PoE also places it in a good position to pickup some of the D3 fans that figure they played it enough and want to find a new ARPG. They will be in a perfect position to benefit from any D3 criticism, and could end up the better game depending on Blizzard's reaction to criticism in patches/updates. PoE, if nothing else, can take the opposite direction that Blizzard goes on a specific area and create the experience better fit for the unsatisfied players of D3.
  Ujirik

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4/28/12 9:14:47 PM#44
So, you're saying a grim aesthetic and an isometric camera angle is coprighted by Blizzard?  That's the dumbest thing I've heard all year.

  IrishChai

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4/28/12 9:15:50 PM#45
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by Ujirik
Well, Path of Exile may look similar to Diablo 2 at first glance, but it's entirely different.  I've been in the closed beta since shortly after it began and apart from sharing the click to move/attack control system standard to hack 'n slash games, they're nothing alike.  Seriously, have you even played the game?

I'm talking about the looks. I could care less how it plays

 

I hear that more and more on these forums... I can see why so many people are unhappy. They seem to think gameplay is the least important thing about a GAME. /facepalm

  StonesDK

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4/28/12 9:16:38 PM#46
Originally posted by Ujirik
So, you're saying a grim aesthetic and an isometric camera angle is coprighted by Blizzard?  That's the dumbest thing I've heard all year.

I can't help you are blind

  StonesDK

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4/28/12 9:17:34 PM#47
Originally posted by IrishChai
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by Ujirik
Well, Path of Exile may look similar to Diablo 2 at first glance, but it's entirely different.  I've been in the closed beta since shortly after it began and apart from sharing the click to move/attack control system standard to hack 'n slash games, they're nothing alike.  Seriously, have you even played the game?

I'm talking about the looks. I could care less how it plays

 

I hear that more and more on these forums... I can see why so many people are unhappy. They seem to think gameplay is the least important thing about a GAME. /facepalm

Wanting something more original than a copy from another game is not asking too much imo

  IrishChai

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4/28/12 9:18:46 PM#48
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by Ujirik
Well, Path of Exile may look similar to Diablo 2 at first glance, but it's entirely different.  I've been in the closed beta since shortly after it began and apart from sharing the click to move/attack control system standard to hack 'n slash games, they're nothing alike.  Seriously, have you even played the game?

I'm talking about the looks. I could care less how it plays

 

Diablo 2 much?

 

Your eyes appear to miss the fact that the detail and mobs on the floor just to the left are very different. Congratulations on getting stuck on the right half of a screenshot, where PoE made the right move to use a UI that works well given the genre. 

  IrishChai

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4/28/12 9:19:43 PM#49
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by IrishChai
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by Ujirik
Well, Path of Exile may look similar to Diablo 2 at first glance, but it's entirely different.  I've been in the closed beta since shortly after it began and apart from sharing the click to move/attack control system standard to hack 'n slash games, they're nothing alike.  Seriously, have you even played the game?

I'm talking about the looks. I could care less how it plays

 

I hear that more and more on these forums... I can see why so many people are unhappy. They seem to think gameplay is the least important thing about a GAME. /facepalm

Wanting something more original than a copy from another game is not asking too much imo

 

I completely agree, but you obviously fail to see it when it happens.

  StonesDK

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4/28/12 9:21:11 PM#50

 

Here's another Diabl... i mean PoE screenie

  Rednecksith

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Bite my fiery metal ass!

4/28/12 9:21:44 PM#51
Originally posted by Zooce

played poe for three months, d3 for one weeked:

 

PoE is a thinking man's game. D3 is a hand-holding regression of the genre.


Completely and utterly false. I once thought the exact same thing until I actually took a good, long look at the game and did some research. D3 is certainly NOT a regression of the genre, if anything it's progression which does away with archaic and outdated game mechanics. Take off the nostalgia goggles and look objectively. 

PoE is also quite good though, and worth checking out for any fan of the genre.

I plan on playing Torchlight 2, PoE, and D3 for a good, long time. Although D3 will probably keep my attention the longest of the 3.

  IrishChai

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4/28/12 9:23:10 PM#52
Originally posted by Ujirik
Well, Path of Exile may look similar to Diablo 2 at first glance, but it's entirely different.  I've been in the closed beta since shortly after it began and apart from sharing the click to move/attack control system standard to hack 'n slash games, they're nothing alike.  Seriously, have you even played the game?

 

QFT. I wish more people would play a game before judging it. I clearly waited in my original posts, and it made good sense that I did after playing both, because it's exactly as you said. It's only comparable at face value, and only focusing on specific areas. You open your experience and view of the rest of the game, and it clearly stands out on it's own and is an excellent, different experience.

  IrishChai

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4/28/12 9:28:14 PM#53
Originally posted by Starpower

 

Here's another Diabl... i mean PoE screenie

 

That's clearly PoE dude. If you've ever played a game of 'point out the differences', I could write you a page of changes they made to it. Instead, you've clearly not played both.

  Banquetto

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4/28/12 9:35:04 PM#54

I think they both look fantastic, although obviously very different. PoE pulls off the realistic style wonderfully - I actually couldn't believe how good the models and animations were, for an indie developer. Whilst D3 pulls of the stylized painted style wonderfully.


Think they both play fantastic, too. D3's action feels more visceral and violent; PoE's feels more considered in pace - more like D2. Both great fun, though.

  IrishChai

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4/28/12 9:42:29 PM#55
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by Zooce

played poe for three months, d3 for one weeked:

 

PoE is a thinking man's game. D3 is a hand-holding regression of the genre.


Completely and utterly false. I once thought the exact same thing until I actually took a good, long look at the game and did some research. D3 is certainly NOT a regression of the genre, if anything it's progression which does away with archaic and outdated game mechanics. Take off the nostalgia goggles and look objectively. 

PoE is also quite good though, and worth checking out for any fan of the genre.

I plan on playing Torchlight 2, PoE, and D3 for a good, long time. Although D3 will probably keep my attention the longest of the 3.

 

I think I see where Zooce is coming from though. The skill/talent tree in PoE requires a lot more thought and planning and is a huge change in the number of different possibilities for most of the games within the genre. D3 makes the whole process considerably easier, or as some would say, "hand-holding". I like the simplicity of D3's skill choices, but I'm sure there's plenty that don't especially since D2 just felt like there was more to discuss and different builds to evaluate. Not sure how true that comparison is in the long run because I know there is still a million combinations, but I can see where that impression is coming from.

 

D3 is still my favorite. I'm enjoying PoE a lot though, and can't play D3 right now anyway. They're both great games.. 

  ArChWind

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4/28/12 9:49:34 PM#56

Here is my thoughts on this.

I think the PoE team needs to be focused on the PvP side of the game since Blizz has outright said open world PvP will NOT exist in D3. PoE can be the eSport part of the ARPG side of the coin. It will futher the cause much more by being different than trying to copy.
 
The execption here is that PoE needs to be secure from hack and dupes.
 
The best of both worlds can be achieved if they pull it off before Blizz can implement any kind of PvP.
 
Originally posted by Zooce

played poe for three months, d3 for one weeked:

PoE is a thinking man's game. D3 is a hand-holding regression of the genre.

 
D3 strengths are the simplicity of it and yet the complexity buried that you won't see until late game. It was discussed may months back in a thread related to how simple chess is and yet complex it is. Keep it simple as possible and no less.
  Aori

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4/28/12 9:50:06 PM#57
Originally posted by IrishChai
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by Zooce

played poe for three months, d3 for one weeked:

 

PoE is a thinking man's game. D3 is a hand-holding regression of the genre.


Completely and utterly false. I once thought the exact same thing until I actually took a good, long look at the game and did some research. D3 is certainly NOT a regression of the genre, if anything it's progression which does away with archaic and outdated game mechanics. Take off the nostalgia goggles and look objectively. 

PoE is also quite good though, and worth checking out for any fan of the genre.

I plan on playing Torchlight 2, PoE, and D3 for a good, long time. Although D3 will probably keep my attention the longest of the 3.

 

I think I see where Zooce is coming from though. The skill/talent tree in PoE requires a lot more thought and planning and is a huge change in the number of different possibilities for most of the games within the genre. D3 makes the whole process considerably easier, or as some would say, "hand-holding". I like the simplicity of D3's skill choices, but I'm sure there's plenty that don't especially since D2 just felt like there was more to discuss and different builds to evaluate. Not sure how true that comparison is in the long run because I know there is still a million combinations, but I can see where that impression is coming from.

 

D3 is still my favorite. I'm enjoying PoE a lot though, and can't play D3 right now anyway. They're both great games.. 

just because i'm tired of fighting or proving otherwise on statements like these. PoE is no more difficult or thought provoking than D3s current skill set. Hopefully you can atleast agree to disagree with this :p

  IrishChai

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4/28/12 9:54:47 PM#58
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by IrishChai
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by Zooce

played poe for three months, d3 for one weeked:

 

PoE is a thinking man's game. D3 is a hand-holding regression of the genre.


Completely and utterly false. I once thought the exact same thing until I actually took a good, long look at the game and did some research. D3 is certainly NOT a regression of the genre, if anything it's progression which does away with archaic and outdated game mechanics. Take off the nostalgia goggles and look objectively. 

PoE is also quite good though, and worth checking out for any fan of the genre.

I plan on playing Torchlight 2, PoE, and D3 for a good, long time. Although D3 will probably keep my attention the longest of the 3.

 

I think I see where Zooce is coming from though. The skill/talent tree in PoE requires a lot more thought and planning and is a huge change in the number of different possibilities for most of the games within the genre. D3 makes the whole process considerably easier, or as some would say, "hand-holding". I like the simplicity of D3's skill choices, but I'm sure there's plenty that don't especially since D2 just felt like there was more to discuss and different builds to evaluate. Not sure how true that comparison is in the long run because I know there is still a million combinations, but I can see where that impression is coming from.

 

D3 is still my favorite. I'm enjoying PoE a lot though, and can't play D3 right now anyway. They're both great games.. 

just because i'm tired of fighting or proving otherwise on statements like these. PoE is no more difficult or thought provoking than D3s current skill set. Hopefully you can atleast agree to disagree with this :p

No, I actually fully agree with you. I was only commenting about the initial impressions for some people that I feel are understandable 'first impressions'. Having looked in to both quite a bit, I know they are both on equal ground here but the manner in which they branch out during progression is unique and both work well imo.

 

Essentially I'm just saying both are unique, but fun and comparable in many ways. If you're saying that they are both blatant copies of each other, then yeah - I'll agree to disagree.

  Aori

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4/28/12 9:57:13 PM#59
Originally posted by IrishChai
Originally posted by Aori
Originally posted by IrishChai
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by Zooce

played poe for three months, d3 for one weeked:

 

PoE is a thinking man's game. D3 is a hand-holding regression of the genre.


Completely and utterly false. I once thought the exact same thing until I actually took a good, long look at the game and did some research. D3 is certainly NOT a regression of the genre, if anything it's progression which does away with archaic and outdated game mechanics. Take off the nostalgia goggles and look objectively. 

PoE is also quite good though, and worth checking out for any fan of the genre.

I plan on playing Torchlight 2, PoE, and D3 for a good, long time. Although D3 will probably keep my attention the longest of the 3.

 

I think I see where Zooce is coming from though. The skill/talent tree in PoE requires a lot more thought and planning and is a huge change in the number of different possibilities for most of the games within the genre. D3 makes the whole process considerably easier, or as some would say, "hand-holding". I like the simplicity of D3's skill choices, but I'm sure there's plenty that don't especially since D2 just felt like there was more to discuss and different builds to evaluate. Not sure how true that comparison is in the long run because I know there is still a million combinations, but I can see where that impression is coming from.

 

D3 is still my favorite. I'm enjoying PoE a lot though, and can't play D3 right now anyway. They're both great games.. 

just because i'm tired of fighting or proving otherwise on statements like these. PoE is no more difficult or thought provoking than D3s current skill set. Hopefully you can atleast agree to disagree with this :p

No, I actually fully agree with you. I was only commenting about the initial impressions for some people that I feel are understandable 'first impressions'. Having looked in to both quite a bit, I know they are both on equal ground here but the manner in which they branch out during progression is unique and both work well imo.

You're so in the middle of the road its hard to understand ya 100%. Though i werent you at one point against D3..? you crazy people.

  Jakard

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4/28/12 10:00:59 PM#60
As a beta tester for both games, I'd say that besides them belonging to the same genre, the games really have very little in common. Graphically, they are two very different games. Diablo 3 goes for a more animated, cartoony look (which I love) and PoE goes for a bit more realism. The games don't feel similar at all. That's just my take on it though.
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