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WildStar Forum » General Discussion » C.R.E.D.D. (Poll and Discuss)

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  Maelzrael

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I like games.

 
OP  10/10/13 6:25:52 PM#1

Here's a link so you know what C.R.E.D.D. is. 

http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/the-game/business-model/

 

Now then, 

I've always agreed that buying gold from Gold Sellers who hack people accounts was a pretty distasteful thing to do. But for some reason I have no problem buying some from the developers while simultaneously helping a fellow player who's low on funds in real life. It's basically helping other players play for free and gaining a profit for doing so. I don't know, I've seen a lot of people posting on this website that the Credd system is cheating and they refuse to play the game because of it. But I just don't agree. Eve has PLEX which is almost identical in nature to credd, and I've never heard of anyone saying that buying and selling Plex was cheating.. so what gives? It's the art style right? You don't like cartoons! Cartoon hater.  :P

Also, do these same people consider buying an epic scalable mount or battle pet in WoW to be cheating? I mean they give you a clear advantage of looking awesome or haveing a cool new pet to kick ass with that less fortunate players just wont have. Not exactly the same, but I mean it's spending money to obtain an in-game advantage.. so is that cheating as well? 

Discuss, flame and/or ignore at your will!

Poll for fun!

~Maelz

 

 

Is Credd or similar systems cheating?

Yes
No
I don't care
What is Wildstar?
Cartoons are stupid.
Who cares? I just want a beta key!!
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  DamonVile

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Posts: 4875

10/10/13 6:37:12 PM#2

Buying gold is like buying drugs....I don't care if you do it. I think things like that are better off left up to the person to decide if they want to or not.

I would much rather that person give the devs the money than some company in china that's never going to add anything to the game I'm playing with the money other than some asshole spamming in town.

I don't think there is a way to stop a supply when there's a demand and the calls to come up with a better system always have wonderful ideas that either wouldn't solve the problem or are just stupid. Things like CREDD are a bandaid at best but they're a better solution than doing nothing or random bannings.

  Thupli

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Posts: 409

10/10/13 6:48:01 PM#3

I dont have a problem with CREDD, but I dont like the Sub + cash shop.  I was hoping to play this, but I will definitely keep playing GW2 as I feel the devs are pretty honest over there.  I'd rather pay per expansion/box and cosmetic cash shop, or sub, but certainly not both.  That is just gouging, and I lost a lot of respect for this game as a result, as funny and quirky as there promo videos have been.

 

  Ramonski7

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10/10/13 7:12:41 PM#4
I'm not to thrilled about the CREDD system honestly. Why introduce a currency and cash shop to appeal to a gamers impulsive side if you are using the sub model anyway? The only impulses I want should be wanting to play the game, period. Not watching the CREDD market for fluctuations or browsing the cash shop for extra bag space, exp potions or lockbox keys.


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  Yalexy

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10/10/13 8:33:55 PM#5

I think it's an awesome system, just like in EvE Online.

And where's all the cashshop-crap come from that's being thrown around? There's no such thing you could call a cashshop in Wildstar.

  Gazimoff

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Joined: 1/17/09
Posts: 78

10/10/13 8:53:44 PM#6
Originally posted by Thupli

I dont have a problem with CREDD, but I dont like the Sub + cash shop.  I was hoping to play this, but I will definitely keep playing GW2 as I feel the devs are pretty honest over there.  I'd rather pay per expansion/box and cosmetic cash shop, or sub, but certainly not both.  That is just gouging, and I lost a lot of respect for this game as a result, as funny and quirky as there promo videos have been.

 

According to this, there are no plans for a cash shop beyond selling CREDD. If they do add one, it'll only be for convenience/cosmetic items. While it's worth keeping an eye on this for any changes, there isn't one at the moment.

  Xerullian

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Joined: 10/10/13
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10/10/13 9:01:31 PM#7
Originally posted by Gazimoff
Originally posted by Thupli

I dont have a problem with CREDD, but I dont like the Sub + cash shop.  I was hoping to play this, but I will definitely keep playing GW2 as I feel the devs are pretty honest over there.  I'd rather pay per expansion/box and cosmetic cash shop, or sub, but certainly not both.  That is just gouging, and I lost a lot of respect for this game as a result, as funny and quirky as there promo videos have been.

 

According to this, there are no plans for a cash shop beyond selling CREDD. If they do add one, it'll only be for convenience/cosmetic items. While it's worth keeping an eye on this for any changes, there isn't one at the moment.

Correct, And from what I keep reading they don't even plan on implementing a cosmetic cash shop. They have reiterated that they went with the subscription model so that players have access to all content and NOT just some.

C.R.E.D.D. is just another way to pay for your subscription. If you play the game a lot and have stock piles of gold you can use your gold to purchase your subscription. Or you can use real world money for you subscription. Pretty simple. There's nothing to cheat.

  NagelRitter

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10/10/13 9:01:50 PM#8

Voted I don't care. Because I don't care if it's "cheating" or not. What I care about is whether it's bad for the game, and I think it's good for the game, provided the economy holds up.

Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
Currently playing: GW2, EVE
Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?

  bcbully

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Posts: 7260

10/10/13 9:21:17 PM#9

I don't like it. I feel it's a sleezy move by both player and developer. I have no respect for gold buyers.

 

That being said, I've relaxed my stance. Where as I used to be "I wont play it." Now I'm "if I can compete without." I don't have much of a choice if I want to play mmorpgs 

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  DamonVile

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Posts: 4875

10/10/13 9:49:07 PM#10
Originally posted by Gazimoff
Originally posted by Thupli

I dont have a problem with CREDD, but I dont like the Sub + cash shop.  I was hoping to play this, but I will definitely keep playing GW2 as I feel the devs are pretty honest over there.  I'd rather pay per expansion/box and cosmetic cash shop, or sub, but certainly not both.  That is just gouging, and I lost a lot of respect for this game as a result, as funny and quirky as there promo videos have been.

 

According to this, there are no plans for a cash shop beyond selling CREDD. If they do add one, it'll only be for convenience/cosmetic items. While it's worth keeping an eye on this for any changes, there isn't one at the moment.

they have a sub...that sub is paying for those convenience/cosmetic items. It's double dipping in a game that tells you a box + sub gives you full access.

  Torvaldr

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10/10/13 9:54:02 PM#11
Originally posted by Xerullian

Correct, And from what I keep reading they don't even plan on implementing a cosmetic cash shop. They have reiterated that they went with the subscription model so that players have access to all content and NOT just some.

C.R.E.D.D. is just another way to pay for your subscription. If you play the game a lot and have stock piles of gold you can use your gold to purchase your subscription. Or you can use real world money for you subscription. Pretty simple. There's nothing to cheat.

I have access to all the content in Rift and Tera and I don't have current subscriptions to either. I have access to all the content in EQ2 because I bought the expacs, but I'm not going to subscribe there until the 15th. I don't have access to all the content in WoW because I haven't bought an xpac since Burning Crusade. Will you have access to all the content in Wildstar if you don't pay the additional box fee or to xpacs if they ever make them? The sub means all access line is such crap, but if you want to swallow it, be my guest.

Credd is another way to buy gold. You left that out as well. If you don't have gold but want to buy your way, you can purchase and sell Credd. That's just reality. People who play the game should accept that some people will be able to buy their way.

It's not cheating though. It's a system implemented by the developer so how could it be cheating? People who claim that are trying to argue from the point of emotional appeal. It's a weak shallow argument. There are weaknesses and strengths associated with RMT transitional currencies. How well it works depends on how it is implemented.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Thupli

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10/10/13 10:07:36 PM#12
Originally posted by Gazimoff
Originally posted by Thupli

I dont have a problem with CREDD, but I dont like the Sub + cash shop.  I was hoping to play this, but I will definitely keep playing GW2 as I feel the devs are pretty honest over there.  I'd rather pay per expansion/box and cosmetic cash shop, or sub, but certainly not both.  That is just gouging, and I lost a lot of respect for this game as a result, as funny and quirky as there promo videos have been.

 

According to this, there are no plans for a cash shop beyond selling CREDD. If they do add one, it'll only be for convenience/cosmetic items. While it's worth keeping an eye on this for any changes, there isn't one at the moment.

"Lastly, we talked about the dreaded microtransaction, and if WildStar would opt to also have a cash shop.  In short? It won’t, at least not yet. They don’t want to close that door completely, but for now the only thing extra you can buy will be CREDD.  If they add other MTX options, it’ll only be stuff that won’t screw their customers over.  Cosmetic items, convenience things, and so forth. "

 

LOL?  Just like GW2, but with a sub.  Just like I said.

  Gazimoff

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10/10/13 10:29:07 PM#13
Originally posted by Thupli

"Lastly, we talked about the dreaded microtransaction, and if WildStar would opt to also have a cash shop.  In short? It won’t, at least not yet. They don’t want to close that door completely, but for now the only thing extra you can buy will be CREDD.  If they add other MTX options, it’ll only be stuff that won’t screw their customers over.  Cosmetic items, convenience things, and so forth. "

 

LOL?  Just like GW2, but with a sub.  Just like I said.

 

If they go down that cash shop route, possibly. As I said, they have no plans for it at the moment, but we'll need to keep an eye on it to see if they push that door open. Don't get me wrong, I can completely see where you're coming from (especially if it's to the extent of GW2 instead of something like WoW).

  furbans

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10/10/13 10:39:31 PM#14
Originally posted by Yalexy

I think it's an awesome system, just like in EvE Online.

And where's all the cashshop-crap come from that's being thrown around? There's no such thing you could call a cashshop in Wildstar.

Yeah but in EVE Online had an ever need for more ISK that make people buy PLEX and made it a worthwhile commodity.  I had so much friggin gold in WoW I really don't know why I farmed mats or put stuff on the AH even though I never used that gold for anything.

EVE revolves around the "WHEN" factor of you ship being blown up and you need ISK to buy and reoutfit another one.  This mechanic is lacking in every themepark MMO that makes it pointless to have CREDD.  Sure you might get some buyers but I don't think it will be a great sale.

Maybe there is more to the mechanics than I know as I stopped following WS some months ago.  I'm just dubious that CREDD will be worth much to your avg player or the need to have an ingame currency since most themepark games one has to grind raids or something to get the best gear and purchasable gear is something that will drive many away due to the "P2W" factor.  EVE one loses their gear which makes it a non issue.

  Gardavsshade

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10/16/13 11:17:35 PM#15

I don't agree with gold farmers/sellers/buyers. Hate them enough to do bad things (better leave that go for now...).

I am not happy with EvE's PLEX system either.... I know it's getting abused... however it is better that CCP at least tries to control the RMT crap than let it go out of control. Wildstar's CREDD system seems like it will work in a similar fashion.

Cosmetic items.... this I am going to be hated for.... I actually don't agree with them and never have. I want to see the real armor that Warrior is wearing... You know... that Warrior that's bashing my head in and making me take a dirt nap? Yeah that one. If that Warrior is wearing plate mail I want to know it....even if that slave outfit makes his thighs look slimmer....

Joking aside, Cosmetic items in my opinion "clutter up" what should be straight forward gameplay between Players.

Yes I joke about it but I have nothing else I can do. Compared to most MMO Players I am in a tiny minority and it's getting smaller by the day. Obviously Gold Buying is on the rise, as well as cosmetic armor and fancy mounts all over. Too much bragging off the battlefield for my tastes. Too many Players are seeking to gain unearned advantage over others.

I will say this in regards to Wildstar: I hope they have a modifiable armor system like SWTOR has... even though I feel SWTOR is a big pile of bantha ... at least their armor system rocks.


Nothing to see here... just another MMO Ghost....

  timtrack

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10/17/13 2:08:40 AM#16
As long as they don't do what GW2 did, letting Legendary weapons be sold in the Trade Market. As much as i like GW2, the economy is one of the things that ultimately kept me away. Many probably like the way they did it, i just don't.
  jesteralways

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Joined: 3/17/13
Posts: 616

10/17/13 8:55:19 AM#17
Agree with OP completely. But i hate cash shop in subscription game. why? because it just brings the worse in some players. i got kicked out of a guild in WoW because i said " despite having hundreds of mounts in game why would i buy this heart of aspect that also looks like flying poop?", guild leader was trying to sell some heart of the aspect and that comment was hurting his business, guild leader said "i am rich, i have a bigger wallet than you and i am better than you because i have an exclusive  shiny mount, you are just fucking jealous, so fuck off" and kick. that attitude "i have more money" is something i only expect to see in f2p games not sub based games. but that cash shop brings out this kind of attitude in players. but i personally don't see any problem in selling mounts or pets in cash shop in a sub game. 

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  jesteralways

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10/17/13 9:03:23 AM#18
Originally posted by Gardavsshade

I don't agree with gold farmers/sellers/buyers. Hate them enough to do bad things (better leave that go for now...).

I am not happy with EvE's PLEX system either.... I know it's getting abused... however it is better that CCP at least tries to control the RMT crap than let it go out of control. Wildstar's CREDD system seems like it will work in a similar fashion.

Cosmetic items.... this I am going to be hated for.... I actually don't agree with them and never have. I want to see the real armor that Warrior is wearing... You know... that Warrior that's bashing my head in and making me take a dirt nap? Yeah that one. If that Warrior is wearing plate mail I want to know it....even if that slave outfit makes his thighs look slimmer....

Joking aside, Cosmetic items in my opinion "clutter up" what should be straight forward gameplay between Players.

Yes I joke about it but I have nothing else I can do. Compared to most MMO Players I am in a tiny minority and it's getting smaller by the day. Obviously Gold Buying is on the rise, as well as cosmetic armor and fancy mounts all over. Too much bragging off the battlefield for my tastes. Too many Players are seeking to gain unearned advantage over others.

I will say this in regards to Wildstar: I hope they have a modifiable armor system like SWTOR has... even though I feel SWTOR is a big pile of bantha ... at least their armor system rocks.

1st you say that you want to know which armor your opponent is wearing and hint that cosmetics make it harder to know which class your opponent is. then you say SWToR armor system rocks. i don't understand at all. isn't it hypocrisy? in SWToR a jedi can beat you up in slave outfit but you are saying you are fine with this, but if in another game if a warrior is wearing costume in costume slot and let us see that costume; it is not alright at all. i don't understand at all.

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  Teh_Axi

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10/17/13 9:05:53 AM#19
People that wanna buy gold will do it credd or no credd, so might as well have it benefit the game.
  CoNk3r

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10/17/13 9:12:39 AM#20

What majority out there don´t understand is that to be able to play WildStar for free, you have pretty much to spend your time grinding/farming for CREDD, leaving you with no extra time for other chores, like farming/grinding for ingame money/mats = gear up.

2014 is prolly too late for this game already.

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