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World of Darkness Forum » General Discussion » World of Darkness will have permadeath per CCP

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  Deathenger

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Wipe yourself off, U DEAD!

 
OP  3/24/12 8:46:59 PM#1

There was a question about death which was answered by confirming there will be permadeath unless I misunderstood. I'm really interested in how this will work in the end and how much of an impact it will really have on the game. It's about 30 min into the video, I tried to link best I could to the exact moment of the question.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Cf_xGH0v93U#t=1846s

 

Just watched again and I believe the answer to permadeath was "You can be permanently killed and your character removed to the game" Inderesting indeed and I'm looking forward to more info on this in the future.

 

  Corehaven

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I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

3/24/12 8:52:17 PM#2
Originally posted by Deathenger

There was a question about death which was answered by confirming there will be permadeath unless I misunderstood. I'm really interested in how this will work in the end and how much of an impact it will really have on the game. It's about 30 min into the video, I tried to link best I could to the exact moment of the question.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Cf_xGH0v93U#t=1846s

 

Just watched again and I believe the answer to permadeath was "You can be permanently killed and your character removed to the game" Inderesting indeed and I'm looking forward to more info on this in the future.

 

Hey I love the IP so much thats fine with me but.....

 

I kind of have to laugh at the idea of permadeath in a game....where....you are a vampire.  Ahem.  Just sayin. 

  jmcdermottuk

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3/24/12 9:00:01 PM#3

Sounds clear that the only thing that can result in permanent death for you character is the result of a blood hunt, called by the Prince. Not something that's going to be common I don't think. You'd need to be guilty of a masquerade violation for this to happen.

 

There was no mention of PvP so I think we can discount PvP deaths being permanent.

  RefMinor

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Hipster

3/24/12 9:13:28 PM#4
I thought all Vampires were permanently dead.
  User Deleted
3/24/12 9:32:03 PM#5

Well in the wod universe there was only a very few ways of being actually permently killed or enting into final death. One of the main ways was having every bit of blood drained from you body, as well as sometimes entailing having dismemberment or beheading. Even if the vampire recieved tramatic damage to their body they would only enter into a state called topur (misspelled.), which was basically a form of suspended animation in which the vampire could heal, while still aware of their surroundings. Also many of the mythical methods of destroying a vampire were not as deadly in wod, such as sun light that a vampire with the right blood art could pretty well disregard while others could just endure the searing painn of it. Also take into account that the method of draining every bit of blood from a vampire was the method many vampires would use to gain greater age in the series, such as draining the blood of a second or thrd generation which would allow them to raise up several genrations wihtout actually having to live longer. I don't hink perma death will be important, as even in the pnp rpg of wod ot was not that common to happen even among bitter rivals.

  Ambros123

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3/24/12 9:41:19 PM#6
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by Deathenger

There was a question about death which was answered by confirming there will be permadeath unless I misunderstood. I'm really interested in how this will work in the end and how much of an impact it will really have on the game. It's about 30 min into the video, I tried to link best I could to the exact moment of the question.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Cf_xGH0v93U#t=1846s

 

Just watched again and I believe the answer to permadeath was "You can be permanently killed and your character removed to the game" Inderesting indeed and I'm looking forward to more info on this in the future.

 

Hey I love the IP so much thats fine with me but.....

 

I kind of have to laugh at the idea of permadeath in a game....where....you are a vampire.  Ahem.  Just sayin. 

But are you a sparkly vampire though?

  Corehaven

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3/24/12 10:35:11 PM#7
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

Sounds clear that the only thing that can result in permanent death for you character is the result of a blood hunt, called by the Prince. Not something that's going to be common I don't think. You'd need to be guilty of a masquerade violation for this to happen.

 

There was no mention of PvP so I think we can discount PvP deaths being permanent.

PVP was mentioned as being in the game at around the 5 min mark in the video. 

  Quesa

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3/24/12 10:36:47 PM#8

One of the earlier interview the lead dev stated that they were thinking of putting in perma-death but to actually have your character die permanently it would be an extreme event and not likely to happen if the user didn't want it to.

Take that as you like.

  dinams

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3/24/12 10:38:51 PM#9

nice to know CCP will stick with what they know,  sandboxes

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  rojoArcueid

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3/24/12 10:46:42 PM#10

i dont know much about this game other than its from CCP and it has vampires.

So.... permadeath.... that means i will ONLY play this game if its F2P. I have no interest in pay monthly to build a character to max lvl and epic stuff then bam!!!!! permadeath.

edit: it seems theres no levels so still, any kind of progression is broken with permadeath, not for me

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  User Deleted
3/24/12 10:55:39 PM#11
Originally posted by rojo6934

i dont know much about this game other than its from CCP and it has vampires.

So.... permadeath.... that means i will ONLY play this game if its F2P. I have no interest in pay monthly to build a character to max lvl and epic stuff then bam!!!!! permadeath.

edit: it seems theres no levels so still, any kind of progression is broken with permadeath, not for me

Honestly with wod the fact that actually getting another player to final death/permadeath would need to take some serious effort, as well as being somethign that is not common or it would not really be wod at all. Like i said final death in wod was not that easy to cause to another vampire, and even the many methods of killing a vampire were not as viable against all vampires as it would seem. So long as they keep the method of causing a vampire to put into final death remains rather unncommon or hard to do, and so would remain as a actual important part of the game that is not common at all to be done it would be fine. If perma death happens from just falling damage, normal or even pvp combat, or just bad choices, then it would be an issue to many of those that loved wod.

  dinams

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3/24/12 10:55:59 PM#12
Originally posted by rojo6934

i dont know much about this game other than its from CCP and it has vampires.

So.... permadeath.... that means i will ONLY play this game if its F2P. I have no interest in pay monthly to build a character to max lvl and epic stuff then bam!!!!! permadeath.

edit: it seems theres no levels so still, any kind of progression is broken with permadeath, not for me

The guy only mentions permadeath and you go theorycrafting

Amusing

 

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  Corehaven

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3/24/12 10:58:59 PM#13
Originally posted by rojo6934

i dont know much about this game other than its from CCP and it has vampires.

So.... permadeath.... that means i will ONLY play this game if its F2P. I have no interest in pay monthly to build a character to max lvl and epic stuff then bam!!!!! permadeath.

edit: it seems theres no levels so still, any kind of progression is broken with permadeath, not for me

Well if you played EvE you'd know there were several severe goofs you had to commit to dying permanently and while the game does have perma death, its rare and some what unlikely.  Usually perma death in that game happens like this.  Ship explodes but you have an escape pod at that point.  Very fast little pod.  If that gets blown up you die, but you should have a clone you've set up.  You are transferred to said clone and all is well (except for the loss of the ship).  Now that you are in your new clone body you need to make a NEW clone as a back up.  Forget to make a new clone at any point and you die again, you are gone forever. 

 

Sorry if you already had all that info in your noggin. 

 

Anyways I cant really imagine CCP just having a whack and you're dead forever mechanic here.  Id expect death to be a complex and really only attainable by severe player mistake.  At least with EvE there was an always an easy back up.  You just needed to remember to keep up with that and it was very easy to do. 

 

EDIT: At 30:55 the question on perma death was asked.  He says something like, " Regarding permadeath, the Prince of a city (which would be an actual player) calls for a blood hunt, then you can be killed permanently".  Just paraphrasing there.  So....respect the Prince I guess.  : P

  rojoArcueid

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3/24/12 11:01:35 PM#14
Originally posted by dinams
Originally posted by rojo6934

i dont know much about this game other than its from CCP and it has vampires.

So.... permadeath.... that means i will ONLY play this game if its F2P. I have no interest in pay monthly to build a character to max lvl and epic stuff then bam!!!!! permadeath.

edit: it seems theres no levels so still, any kind of progression is broken with permadeath, not for me

The guy only mentions permadeath and you go theorycrafting

Amusing

 

im only saying what i think about permadeath, my comment is personal and is valid for any game with permadeath, for me

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  rojoArcueid

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3/24/12 11:04:34 PM#15
Originally posted by Asuran24
Originally posted by rojo6934

i dont know much about this game other than its from CCP and it has vampires.

So.... permadeath.... that means i will ONLY play this game if its F2P. I have no interest in pay monthly to build a character to max lvl and epic stuff then bam!!!!! permadeath.

edit: it seems theres no levels so still, any kind of progression is broken with permadeath, not for me

Honestly with wod the fact that actually getting another player to final death/permadeath would need to take some serious effort, as well as being somethign that is not common or it would not really be wod at all. Like i said final death in wod was not that easy to cause to another vampire, and even the many methods of killing a vampire were not as viable against all vampires as it would seem. So long as they keep the method of causing a vampire to put into final death remains rather unncommon or hard to do, and so would remain as a actual important part of the game that is not common at all to be done it would be fine. If perma death happens from just falling damage, normal or even pvp combat, or just bad choices, then it would be an issue to many of those that loved wod.

thats my concern, every mmo i have seen so far with permadeath (havent seen all of course) have that wacky system bad implemented. It would be a really bad choice to do the same in WoD

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  User Deleted
3/24/12 11:07:31 PM#16
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by Deathenger

There was a question about death which was answered by confirming there will be permadeath unless I misunderstood. I'm really interested in how this will work in the end and how much of an impact it will really have on the game. It's about 30 min into the video, I tried to link best I could to the exact moment of the question.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Cf_xGH0v93U#t=1846s

 

Just watched again and I believe the answer to permadeath was "You can be permanently killed and your character removed to the game" Inderesting indeed and I'm looking forward to more info on this in the future.

 

Hey I love the IP so much thats fine with me but.....

 

I kind of have to laugh at the idea of permadeath in a game....where....you are a vampire.  Ahem.  Just sayin. 

But are you a sparkly vampire though?

The new Vampire Hunter's Kit, Stake, Holy Water, Cross, Glitter Remover.

  Corehaven

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3/24/12 11:09:23 PM#17
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by dinams
Originally posted by rojo6934

i dont know much about this game other than its from CCP and it has vampires.

So.... permadeath.... that means i will ONLY play this game if its F2P. I have no interest in pay monthly to build a character to max lvl and epic stuff then bam!!!!! permadeath.

edit: it seems theres no levels so still, any kind of progression is broken with permadeath, not for me

The guy only mentions permadeath and you go theorycrafting

Amusing

 

im only saying what i think about permadeath, my comment is personal and is valid for any game with permadeath, for me

Apparently if you anger the Prince of a city, and he calls a blood hunt, then you can be killed permanently whatever that means. 

 

But yes your point is valid for sure.  Wasn't arguing with it.  Im not a perma death fan myself, as in most (you might even say all) RPG structures it does not have a place.  Its an RPG, not Super Mario Bros.  Big difference. 

  User Deleted
3/24/12 11:09:41 PM#18
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by Asuran24
Originally posted by rojo6934

i dont know much about this game other than its from CCP and it has vampires.

So.... permadeath.... that means i will ONLY play this game if its F2P. I have no interest in pay monthly to build a character to max lvl and epic stuff then bam!!!!! permadeath.

edit: it seems theres no levels so still, any kind of progression is broken with permadeath, not for me

Honestly with wod the fact that actually getting another player to final death/permadeath would need to take some serious effort, as well as being somethign that is not common or it would not really be wod at all. Like i said final death in wod was not that easy to cause to another vampire, and even the many methods of killing a vampire were not as viable against all vampires as it would seem. So long as they keep the method of causing a vampire to put into final death remains rather unncommon or hard to do, and so would remain as a actual important part of the game that is not common at all to be done it would be fine. If perma death happens from just falling damage, normal or even pvp combat, or just bad choices, then it would be an issue to many of those that loved wod.

thats my concern, every mmo i have seen so far with permadeath (havent seen all of course) have that wacky system bad implemented. It would be a really bad choice to do the same in WoD

True yet as others have said look at EVE the other game from CCP with perma death, it is rare as well as hard to actually have perma death happen. For a large part i don't see ccp ruining or even changing the fact of how final death works in wod, as it stands now final death works quite abit like how EVE's system for perma death works, as you only perma-die if you are really forgetful in protecting yourself in game.

  User Deleted
3/24/12 11:13:09 PM#19
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by dinams
Originally posted by rojo6934

i dont know much about this game other than its from CCP and it has vampires.

So.... permadeath.... that means i will ONLY play this game if its F2P. I have no interest in pay monthly to build a character to max lvl and epic stuff then bam!!!!! permadeath.

edit: it seems theres no levels so still, any kind of progression is broken with permadeath, not for me

The guy only mentions permadeath and you go theorycrafting

Amusing

 

im only saying what i think about permadeath, my comment is personal and is valid for any game with permadeath, for me

Apparently if you anger the Prince of a city, and he calls a blood hunt, then you can be killed permanently whatever that means. 

 

But yes your point is valid for sure.  Wasn't arguing with it.  Im not a perma death fan myself, as in most (you might even say all) RPG structures it does not have a place.  Its an RPG, not Super Mario Bros.  Big difference. 

I can agree that many rpg's do not really use perma-death well in their structure, but in wod the methods as well as means of inflicting final death on a vampire were rather difficult as well as dangerous for both sides, and also was a rarity in the world, not to mentsion it had a story element to it that wwas used alot in many of the rpgs of the setting. Even having several of the clans built upon the final death of a third or forth general vampire elder of another clan.

  rojoArcueid

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3/24/12 11:15:15 PM#20
Originally posted by Asuran24

thats my concern, every mmo i have seen so far with permadeath (havent seen all of course) have that wacky system bad implemented. It would be a really bad choice to do the same in WoD

True yet as others have said look at EVE the other game from CCP with perma death, it is rare as well as hard to actually have perma death happen. For a large part i don't see ccp ruining or even changing the fact of how final death works in wod, as it stands now final death works quite abit like how EVE's system for perma death works, as you only perma-die if you are really forgetful in protecting yourself in game.

i havent played EVE, i looked tons of gameplay videos even with commentaries and even the player didnt know what was going on lol... so i gave up watching. Thats one game i wouldnt enjoy. I might keep an eye for WoD if you guys say CCPs permadeath system is not the same as other mmos that you walk around town and get permadeath as easy as asking for a glass of water.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

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