SWG only had well over 200k subs at its peak, before the NGE. My best guess is in the neighborhood of 20-30k subs in its final days before they announced it being pulled. 

I like both.

8 year SWG vet from day 1 to the final day it had its time it was great it fit my lifestyle.

During those 8 years I got married had 2 kids advanced in my career meaning a bit more hours and responsibility.

I went from loads of time to little time and SWG was still fairly time intensive,  swtor came at the right time in my life so for me the whole SW MMO journey has worked out well.

I'm sure for many other it hasnt and people are still bitter etc but all I can say is take each for what they are,   enjoy the memories of the greatest MMO there will ever be IMO but at the same time enjoy this new more casual experience that SWTOR offers.

Originally posted by Airtaee

Lulz.

 

Others will come, which will make you good

 

 

Level 50 is the end of the Bioware/EA's World of StarWars. No point in play any more.

5 years of dev. 500m $ of investiment, 1 m of  betatesting childs, should be enough to make a decent thing. But no, they did another WoW clone but with voice.

 

l just want to be like all those qqs who played galaxies for 1-2 years and they  left with the NGE and still says they are the vets of the game... I'm here to laugh at the face of all of those who came to the SWG forums talking about how  happy they were about the closure of the game thanks to the swtor.

 

Here is your SWOW enjoy the failboat at 10fps at Ilum.

 

Sadly it is all about money these days. Even though SWG was a far better game than SW:TOR but the latter one will probably be more profitable.

Originally posted by Onomas

SWG didnt die because it lacked subscriptions. Still had well over 200k+ people/accounts playing if i remembered correctly. Thats still a good income for SOE/LA. LA killed it so TOR wouldnt have competition, they wanted everyone to play TOR.

I played since day one, anyone on Intrepid should know my name. Even after the NGE it wasnt a bad game at all.

The lack of advertisement killed SWG. You hardly ever saw a SWG commercial or anything. If they would redo SWG, update graphics, adjust some things, and do a large campaign saying SWG coming back, i bet you they would probably get a good following again.

 

No game has ever beat SWG indepth game play, crafting, content, and just overall fun. TOR doesnt compete, it cant, its just eye candy. Yeah SWG looks old, but still not bad graphics, seen some worse stuff released past few years.

 

I just want SWG crafting and exploration back. I could spend hours even days just exploring a planet here and there. Player content was grade A content, better than most these mmo's paid content.

 

So yeah TOR disappointed me, and obviously a lot of others. Sure you will have the fanbois and the ones thatit hasnt hit yet. But TOR wont be an epic mmo, they claimed it to be.

ROFL swg had nowhere NEAR 200k players at the end.  It closer to 2000...maybe.  At its peak before pre-cu it had around 350k.   Rose coloured glasses are all well and good but at least make it plausable.

And BTW, please provide ANY proof that LA "Killed" swg.  All there is to that is speculation and butt hurt nge leftovers claiming it as fact.  The God Emperor of soe himself, John Smedley, said that the reason they shut down swg was because they decided it wasn't financially viable to renew the Star Wars liscence again.  Maybe the price to renew jumped because of SWTOR, maybe LA would give soe a little extra money if they decided to end the game before SWTOR was released but the FACT is that soe made the decision, not LA.  Find any proof to the contrary and I'll eat my words.

typo meant 20k :/

Oh wells

Originally posted by Slowdoves

Originally posted by Scorchien

 yea they did .. and a real shame   ................imo

 

  SWG was a much better representation of thw Star Wars universe even in its NGE/CU , than ToR will ever be (again imo)...

 

    And i think much better in every way , well accept VO , but that really hardly counts for anything as many players are wearing out there space bars ..

                          

            Lucas Arts, EA and Bioware really dropped the Hutt-Ball on this one ...

If SWG was such a better SW then why is not around any more? Oh, yeah, that one patch that pissed off a bunch of kids saying how it ruined their SW games. But wait it was good, let me pull the "PRE CARD!" There, everything was much better then.

Many of you had the privilege of Beta Testing it before you bought SWTOR. Why does this all come to a suprise to some of you?

Funny...  These 'kids' that NGE pissed off (from my in-game friends list anyway) included an Accountant, Lawyer, Database Administrator,  Airframe & Propulsion Avionics Technician, Real Estate Agent, Nuclear Medicine Physician, Anesthesiologist and Mechanical Engineer.  I only met 3 'kids' in the time that I played in PreCU. If anything it seemed like the NGE was what kicked the door open for the kids to come in and play.

Originally posted by Recon48

Originally posted by Slowdoves

Originally posted by Scorchien

 yea they did .. and a real shame   ................imo

 

  SWG was a much better representation of thw Star Wars universe even in its NGE/CU , than ToR will ever be (again imo)...

 

    And i think much better in every way , well accept VO , but that really hardly counts for anything as many players are wearing out there space bars ..

                          

            Lucas Arts, EA and Bioware really dropped the Hutt-Ball on this one ...

If SWG was such a better SW then why is not around any more? Oh, yeah, that one patch that pissed off a bunch of kids saying how it ruined their SW games. But wait it was good, let me pull the "PRE CARD!" There, everything was much better then.

Many of you had the privilege of Beta Testing it before you bought SWTOR. Why does this all come to a suprise to some of you?

Funny...  These 'kids' that NGE pissed off (from my in-game friends list anyway) included an Accountant, Lawyer, Database Administrator,  Airframe & Propulsion Avionics Technician, Real Estate Agent, Nuclear Medicine Physician, Anesthesiologist and Mechanical Engineer.  I only met 3 'kids' in the time that I played in PreCU. If anything it seemed like the NGE was what kicked the door open for the kids to come in and play.

Yes, so ironic that the "adults" that are playing these kiddy themepark games are claiming an indepth and complex game, which SWG was pre-NGE, were children.

No they closed SWG because only about three people wanted to play it.

IB4 denial.

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

No they closed SWG because only about three people wanted to play it.

 

IB4 denial.

3 people would not have made 4 full servers, and then some

Vanguard only has 2 servers, and they are both empty, and they were still empty when the free 45 days came. That MMO was dead, SWG was far from it. There is no denial, these are facts

SWG only had 1 full in April before the free CTS - Starsider, and when the free CTS came they locked it to free transfers. In June 2 more servers (Farstar and Chilastra) became full and they locked them to transfers too, as were full. Servers were increasing in population. This is fact and no denial at all. Servers could have dropped again after the free 45 days, but the fact they announced the closure before people had a chance to sub, then that means they did not care, but I would like to think that loads of people were playing it because they wanted to, as were  able to play on a server of their choice instead of trapped on a dead server, and if they hated it then would not waste their time with it. Also the 45 days were carrying on until the end of Aug, so could have even picked up more players. The closure announcement stopped SWGs growth instantly

SWG was closed because of a licence agreement, and could not operate alongside SWTOR.

Originally posted by tixylix

NGE = easy mode.

 

Pre CU = the real veterans.

Wrong.

If you played for more than free time...regardless of your time in game you are a Vet of SWG.

Originally posted by Slowdoves

 

If SWG was such a better SW then why is not around any more? Oh, yeah, that one patch that pissed off a bunch of kids saying how it ruined their SW games. But wait it was good, let me pull the "PRE CARD!" There, everything was much better then.

Many of you had the privilege of Beta Testing it before you bought SWTOR. Why does this all come to a suprise to some of you?

We know the answer...and 2005 called and wants its whine back FFS.

If the NGE was going to kill SW:G...it would have shut in 2006......not 2011.

I BETA'd TOR for a few of the free weekends....and I was not impressed with anything other than the VO.  The Graphics reminded me of LoTOR and WoW and DDO in some ways. 

I consistantly reminded myself during BETA that it wasn't SW:G and to not compare 2 different games.

I started SWG Jan 2004, So exactly 7 years ago, when i was 19.

At the time, i was at Uni (WoW hit in 2006 in my final year, guess what happened to my dissertation...i actually did it on MMORPGs...my course was IT/Business...pmsl).

I had so much time then and i liked SWG in that you could log for a little bit and do something, nothing took a long time afaik, as there was no content to grind through, so you got out whatever you put in.

Since then i have had a kid, got a house, split up, got another place, changed jobs 5 times, etc,etc. And all these new MMOs coming out require me to have no social life. I'm a very social person and i require that in game. Give me a MMO like SWG where i could talk and play with intelligent adults, that's all i ask.

EvE is closest at the moment, but my job is playing with figures, client orders and spreadsheets, i don't need that after work too.

Originally posted by DeaconX

I stick to my argument for the Star Wars IP to be successfully represented in an mmo, the developers should approach it from a hybrid sandbox/themepark design.  Not one, not the other, but a successful marriage of the two.

This.  Deacon nailed it.  SW is to massive and diverse for one style of game.  It needs multiple styles and that is what people can't seem to crack the code on.  

Oh and by the way, heres a hint 3 FACTIONS!  Smugglers and Bounty Hunters go where the credits are, they don't care about your silly war.

+2 Deacon.

3 factions, i like that.

Rebel, Empire, Mercenary.

Maybe even four with: Citizen or Traveller, with merchant skill trees like before, i.e. the people not blowing crap up.

End of the day, the game writes itself, it's just people cannot be arsed to do it now. Why make a special meal, when you can throw all the crap you have in the fridge on a piece of bread and call it a pizza. And pizzas sell for the same as meals.

Originally posted by hipiap

Originally posted by tixylix

NGE = easy mode.

 

Pre CU = the real veterans.

Wrong.

 

If you played for more than free time...regardless of your time in game you are a Vet of SWG.

A butchered shitty SWG.

Originally posted by Recon48

Originally posted by Slowdoves

Originally posted by Scorchien

 yea they did .. and a real shame   ................imo

 

  SWG was a much better representation of thw Star Wars universe even in its NGE/CU , than ToR will ever be (again imo)...

 

    And i think much better in every way , well accept VO , but that really hardly counts for anything as many players are wearing out there space bars ..

                          

            Lucas Arts, EA and Bioware really dropped the Hutt-Ball on this one ...

If SWG was such a better SW then why is not around any more? Oh, yeah, that one patch that pissed off a bunch of kids saying how it ruined their SW games. But wait it was good, let me pull the "PRE CARD!" There, everything was much better then.

Many of you had the privilege of Beta Testing it before you bought SWTOR. Why does this all come to a suprise to some of you?

Funny...  These 'kids' that NGE pissed off (from my in-game friends list anyway) included an Accountant, Lawyer, Database Administrator,  Airframe & Propulsion Avionics Technician, Real Estate Agent, Nuclear Medicine Physician, Anesthesiologist and Mechanical Engineer.  I only met 3 'kids' in the time that I played in PreCU. If anything it seemed like the NGE was what kicked the door open for the kids to come in and play.

It's pretty staright forward, don't think to hard about that one liner, doesn't require a lot to process it.