Originally posted by Gutboy

By your standard of WoW there is no other game that is worthy of anyones playtime since it has the most subs.

 

WoW has more subs because it is a higher quality game than SWG, PERIOD.  Nobody plays SWG because it is one of the lowest quality games on the market.

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Battleskar

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Originally posted by Fishermage
 
That's all very interesting.
Now, why should people come back?

 

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Why should people come back to SWG you say? Simple to get away from World of Warcraft.

 

 

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Why? WoW is a much better game. There are also much better games than SWG if you don't wanna play WoW. Even EQ2 is a much better game, but then, that's just how SOE wants it.

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In your opinion, of course...

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Of course. Also the opinion of millions, as well as most game designers -- especially the designers of SWG, who would rather be playing WoW.

 

Also, by ANY objective or subjective measure, WoW is a better game. Number of players, lack of bugs, number of quests, character diversity, bigger economy where what you make has more meaning, more solo content, more small group content, more large group content.

SWG has three things over it: the player housing/city system, entertainers, and the complexity of crafting. Trouble is, the cities are empty and except for two or three servers, there are very few to buff or entertain, and there's no one to sell those complex crafted items.

Now, as to EQ2, most of the people who play EQ2 have played SWG, and most of them choose to play EQ2 instead. But yes, it's only our opinion, of course. I wonder why they have a better and bigger DEV team than SWG as well, and again -- MUCH more content and MUCH greater diversity of characters.

Thanks for your usual hit-and-run though, since we know you live by "rule number 7" :)

 

http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-videogame-fanboyism-83502.phtml

Millions?  Because millions don't play the game?  If we're going to go that far, any game has millions, if not billions, of people that think Game X is better then Game Y ;)

Numbers certainly don't make something better.  McDonalds has 100's of thousands of people going through one of their restaurants on a daily basis compared to a 5 star restaurant that only gets maybe 1% of that traffic.  The 5 star gets less traffic, but it's better overall.  I'm not saying SWG is 5 star, I'm just saying that you can't use numbers to say something is better then something else ;)

It is of my personal opinion that SWG is a superior game over WoW due to the features it has that WoW doesn't.  It has the player housing, player cities, free roaming worlds both on the ground and in space, the crafting system, the graphics, the community, the many different mini-games that are present in the game and probably more that I'm not thinking of right now.  Unless a game has these features in it, it's unlikely I'm going to consider it to be superior to SWG.

Ridiculous comparison Obraik.  McDonalds if fast food.  Compare McDonalds to Burger King, Wendys, Jack-in-the-Box, or other FAST FOOD chains to make some sense here.  McDonalds is probably the highest quality fast food service provider on the planet hence people eat there.

It's amazing you would even attempt to make such a poor argument in favor of SWG.

Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

Absurd.

Originally posted by Nikoz78

Sound interesting. I'll have to give Hoth a spin when it goes live.

Sound like a server merge is coming. I predict they will roll them all into 4 servers.

In the words of the Beatles - I have to admit it getting better... a little better all the time.

I was not impressed when they first said hoth was going to be an instance like the other heroics, but it actually sounds like it might be more then just a plain dungeon. 

As for the server merges I think there will be about 6 or 7 for the simple reason that we already have 4 or more even that I would consider to crowded to merge populations into.   Bria, bloodfine, chimera , starsider and I think one other .. chilastra the pops are too high to add much more to them.    There are some servers kinda on the cusp of being busy like bloodfin or bria that probably would be good to add to.  I'm curious to see what they are going to do about resources though lord knows I have enough resources on tempest to choke a horse that I dont want to loose anytime soon. 

Originally posted by m240gulf

Originally posted by Suvroc

Guyboy, I empathize with your plight. I really do.

But rational and reasonable predictions can be made from that simple one-word answer. Actually, what I find even more intriguing is what hasn't been said in the aftermath of that interview. Specifically there has been no denial from Bioware and, more importantly LucasArts. What do you think would happen to me if I formed a company and publicly stated I had a product in development based on LucasArts IP when it was not true? There would be hell to pay, and yet we've not heard a single word to indicate that this is the case.

Now you seem to be under the assumption that it's simply a matter of whether LA will keep two SW based MMO's going at the same time. I personally don't even think that matters at all. What really matters is the potential exodus from SWG if a new SW MMO becomes availble. I would even go so far as to hope that both games are allowed to run at the same time so consumers can make a choice based on quality rather then "the only Star Wars MMO available" syndrom.

 

 

I think this is the more likely thing to happen, I think a lot of the current player base will head to the new SW MMO not because its better the SWG, but because it's new and probably different.

This is what I think wil happen , heck that is what I intend to do.  However that does not necessarily mean I will close down my SWG accounts.   Usualy if i pick up a new game I try it and let the newness wear off and then close accounts down if it looks like I want to stay for any lenght of time.   

There are many people who have stated they play because it is the only Star Wars MMO. 

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Originally posted by ummax

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Originally posted by m240gulf

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Originally posted by Suvroc

Guyboy, I empathize with your plight. I really do.
But rational and reasonable predictions can be made from that simple one-word answer. Actually, what I find even more intriguing is what hasn't been said in the aftermath of that interview. Specifically there has been no denial from Bioware and, more importantly LucasArts. What do you think would happen to me if I formed a company and publicly stated I had a product in development based on LucasArts IP when it was not true? There would be hell to pay, and yet we've not heard a single word to indicate that this is the case.
Now you seem to be under the assumption that it's simply a matter of whether LA will keep two SW based MMO's going at the same time. I personally don't even think that matters at all. What really matters is the potential exodus from SWG if a new SW MMO becomes availble. I would even go so far as to hope that both games are allowed to run at the same time so consumers can make a choice based on quality rather then "the only Star Wars MMO available" syndrom.
 

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I think this is the more likely thing to happen, I think a lot of the current player base will head to the new SW MMO not because its better the SWG, but because it's new and probably different.

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This is what I think wil happen , heck that is what I intend to do.  However that does not necessarily mean I will close down my SWG accounts.   Usualy if i pick up a new game I try it and let the newness wear off and then close accounts down if it looks like I want to stay for any lenght of time.   

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I'm not closing down my account either. I'm already here, why not see it through to the bitter end? The point is, however, why should anyone RETURN or decide to START to play SWG? I can't think of any reason. One plays MMOs for the long term, with the idea of building something -- be it a character, a business in game, a guild -- whatever.

There's nothing so great about SWG that would make someone want to risk an investment of time and effort at this point. Plus, the DEVs can't be trusted at all to keep their word about anything. They have shown they have no consideration for player effort time and again, and are seriously defective where ethics are concerned.

All that put together are plenty enough reasons for a vet not to come back, or a new player NOT to sign up.

Wow, those are great news! Specially about the low populatin servers, which other players have been demanding for a long time.

Now those are enough reasons to keep me in-game for at least another six months (I haven't stopped playing for longer than 15 days since March!).

Originally posted by rsreston

Wow, those are great news! Specially about the low populatin servers, which other players have been demanding for a long time.

You realize don't you that they actually told you nothing?

Originally posted by Gutboy

By your standard of WoW there is no other game that is worthy of anyones playtime since it has the most subs.

 

I don't have a "standard" of WoW as you put it, I've played it enough to form an opinion of it but I don't need an opinion of it to know that Bliz are doing something right and SOE are and have done things horribly, horribly wrong to come out at such extreme ends of the subscription total charts.

It's kind of like what would  happen if you made the worlds favourite chocolate bar but unannounced,  you go about changing the recipe one month and replace the chocolate with dog shit.

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Obraik

 

Hmm, didn't you start off your reply by saying you can't compare different products that cost different amounts?  The other MMO's you then use in your example are all free to play MMO's - by your own standards aren't those examples void?

I think there's some slight delusion going around if it's expected that a Star Wars game should be the biggest.  Even in the Movie world, the original "home" of Star Wars, it's not at the top of the list (according to Wikipedia).

 

That's probably because you've looked at individual movies, add up the takings of all 6 movies, toss in video games, merchandise and toy sales... over 30 years and I'm pretty sure even Harry Potter and LotR are eclipsed by Star Wars. As for the comparrison, are the examples I listed free mmo's? I really wouldn't know, regardless of that it's arguable that Star Wars is a larger franchise in the western world than Warcraft anyway and yet WoW has some 5 million subscribers outside Asia, that's 3.5million more concurrent subscribers than SWG has sold boxes over it's 5 year lifespan.

Compared to Warcraft though, Star Wars has a much more varied audience.  Just because you're a Star Wars fan doesn't mean you're a PC gamer.  If you're a Warcraft fan then you're generally going to be a PC gamer - which gives WoW a much more potent audience to pull from.

That is very bad logic Obriak.  Go log onto any Blizzard forums, site, game and pick 100 people at random.  Ask them which was their favorite star wars movie.  I bet each person you ask gives you an answer to the last person.  All 100 of them.  All of which are gamers.  Gamer + Star Wars fan.

Now go to a Star wars forum, site, game and pick 100 random people.  Ask them which was their favorite Blizzard game.  I doubt you will get the same amount of answers.

I have no idea how knowledgeable Star Wars fans are about Blizzard games or if they even play them.

However I am certain I can pick just about anyone out of a video game, MMO or not, and strike up a conversation about Star Wars. 

Perhaps the difference comes from the reputation of each companies games.  Agree?