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Originally posted by Battleskar

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Originally posted by Obraik

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Battleskar

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Originally posted by Fishermage
 
That's all very interesting.
Now, why should people come back?

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Why should people come back to SWG you say? Simple to get away from World of Warcraft.

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Why? WoW is a much better game. There are also much better games than SWG if you don't wanna play WoW. Even EQ2 is a much better game, but then, that's just how SOE wants it.

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In your opinion, of course...

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I agree with you Obraik . Since returning to SWG over a Month ago I have been having alot of fun. Its sad so many players here who do not have a game they enjoy so they hang out here on the mmorpg.com forums and bash games lol. I am a Day 1 vet and was there when we all got betrayed and I did not like the NGE,So I went to WoW for 2 more years.Now the Nge of today is nothing like it was back then the game is better in alot of ways now than what it was Pre-Cu. I miss the Old Ui is about it.I am glad I got over the resentment and returned :P
 

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In fact, I am playing a game now -- I merely have several computers in my office and am capable of multitasking. I am always happy, always enjoying myself -- there, here, and everywhere. That doesn't mean I will lie to help out SOE. That'd just be wrong. Much more fun to do and say the right thing -- and it IS all about having fun, is it not?

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Originally posted by Thunderous

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Originally posted by ajax7

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Originally posted by Thunderous

WoW IS a better game that SWG, and I don't enjoy WoW.  But at least it works and has players.
SWG was ruined because it tried to imitate WoW, and did a very poor job of doing so.
There is NOTHING on that list that makes SWG enjoyable to most people.  There is NOTHING on that list that is going to bring people back to this game.  The ONLY thing they can do to increase the server populations is roll the game back.  That's it and that's all.
Anything else is and has been a great waste of time.  The NGE has been live for almost 3 years now and it is JUST NOW playable.  That's pathetic.  It's also sad that you guys paid to beta test the NGE for almost 3 years.  SOE sure got over on that one.
Also, as for Chapter 12.  SOE told us the CU was here to stay, oooops, LIE.  They told us that collision was coming, ooooops, LIE.  They told us that an expansion was coming in 2006, ooooops. LIE.  They told us that capital ships were coming, ooooops, LIE.
This game is broken beyond repair and everyone knows it but a select few fanbois on the internet.  Most reasonable people won't pay to play this broken joke of a game.

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Have you done the tuscan instance, no you have not it is a lot of fun and takes planning and tacktics.
WoW well saw my daughter in a raid I asked why is everyone running in a circle thats how you beat this one Dad. NO THAKS you can keep wow  it is way to easy.
 

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"Tuskan Instance" Lmao...
People should resub to this game for 1 "Tuskan Instance".... 
Mindboggling to say the least.  Every instance I have done in AoC is far better than any I have seen in SWG, and guess what....  The instances in AoC stink too.
Nah, I'll just take my seamless world back.  SWG is one of the worst games on the market today. 

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It's a good instance, and fun for the first few times. Not as good as WoW's though.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Battleskar

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Originally posted by Obraik

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

 
 

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Originally posted by Battleskar

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Originally posted by Fishermage
 
That's all very interesting.
Now, why should people come back?

 

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Why should people come back to SWG you say? Simple to get away from World of Warcraft.

 

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Why? WoW is a much better game. There are also much better games than SWG if you don't wanna play WoW. Even EQ2 is a much better game, but then, that's just how SOE wants it.

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In your opinion, of course...

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I agree with you Obraik . Since returning to SWG over a Month ago I have been having alot of fun. Its sad so many players here who do not have a game they enjoy so they hang out here on the mmorpg.com forums and bash games lol. I am a Day 1 vet and was there when we all got betrayed and I did not like the NGE,So I went to WoW for 2 more years.Now the Nge of today is nothing like it was back then the game is better in alot of ways now than what it was Pre-Cu. I miss the Old Ui is about it.I am glad I got over the resentment and returned :P
 

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Ahhhh the old ad hominem attack. Typical tactic. People say bad things about the game because there is something wrong with them...they don't have agame and want to bring others down...sure. I have several games I enjoy, INCLUDING SWG, but that doesn't make it a good game, and it certainly isn't worth lying for, or using ad hominem attacks against the people who speak out against it and what SOE has done to it.

 

In fact, I am playing a game now -- I merely have several computers in my office and am capable of multitasking. I am always happy, always enjoying myself -- there, here, and everywhere. That doesn't mean I will lie to help out SOE. That'd just be wrong. Much more fun to do and say the right thing -- and it IS all about having fun, is it not?
 

They'll learn, Fish.  I could even like SWG playing for a month.  But, wait till the next time they want to take the game in a new direction, don't like your toons abilities, or just plain have a nightmare.  It will happen to them, yet again.

If you like SWG, (in any of the games it's been), they will find a way for you NOT to like it.  The only constant in SWG.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Obraik

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

 

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Originally posted by Battleskar

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Originally posted by Fishermage
 
That's all very interesting.
Now, why should people come back?

 

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Why should people come back to SWG you say? Simple to get away from World of Warcraft.

 

 

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Why? WoW is a much better game. There are also much better games than SWG if you don't wanna play WoW. Even EQ2 is a much better game, but then, that's just how SOE wants it.

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In your opinion, of course...

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Of course. Also the opinion of millions, as well as most game designers -- especially the designers of SWG, who would rather be playing WoW.

 

Also, by ANY objective or subjective measure, WoW is a better game. Number of players, lack of bugs, number of quests, character diversity, bigger economy where what you make has more meaning, more solo content, more small group content, more large group content.

SWG has three things over it: the player housing/city system, entertainers, and the complexity of crafting. Trouble is, the cities are empty and except for two or three servers, there are very few to buff or entertain, and there's no one to sell those complex crafted items.

Now, as to EQ2, most of the people who play EQ2 have played SWG, and most of them choose to play EQ2 instead. But yes, it's only our opinion, of course. I wonder why they have a better and bigger DEV team than SWG as well, and again -- MUCH more content and MUCH greater diversity of characters.

Thanks for your usual hit-and-run though, since we know you live by "rule number 7" :)

 

http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-videogame-fanboyism-83502.phtml

Millions?  Because millions don't play the game?  If we're going to go that far, any game has millions, if not billions, of people that think Game X is better then Game Y ;)

Numbers certainly don't make something better.  McDonalds has 100's of thousands of people going through one of their restaurants on a daily basis compared to a 5 star restaurant that only gets maybe 1% of that traffic.  The 5 star gets less traffic, but it's better overall.  I'm not saying SWG is 5 star, I'm just saying that you can't use numbers to say something is better then something else ;)

It is of my personal opinion that SWG is a superior game over WoW due to the features it has that WoW doesn't.  It has the player housing, player cities, free roaming worlds both on the ground and in space, the crafting system, the graphics, the community, the many different mini-games that are present in the game and probably more that I'm not thinking of right now.  Unless a game has these features in it, it's unlikely I'm going to consider it to be superior to SWG.

SWG? Been there, done that, moved on.

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Originally posted by Obraik

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Obraik

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Originally posted by Fishermage
 
 

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Originally posted by Battleskar

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Originally posted by Fishermage
 
That's all very interesting.
Now, why should people come back?
 

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Why should people come back to SWG you say? Simple to get away from World of Warcraft.
 
 

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Why? WoW is a much better game. There are also much better games than SWG if you don't wanna play WoW. Even EQ2 is a much better game, but then, that's just how SOE wants it.

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In your opinion, of course...

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Of course. Also the opinion of millions, as well as most game designers -- especially the designers of SWG, who would rather be playing WoW.
 
Also, by ANY objective or subjective measure, WoW is a better game. Number of players, lack of bugs, number of quests, character diversity, bigger economy where what you make has more meaning, more solo content, more small group content, more large group content.
SWG has three things over it: the player housing/city system, entertainers, and the complexity of crafting. Trouble is, the cities are empty and except for two or three servers, there are very few to buff or entertain, and there's no one to sell those complex crafted items.
Now, as to EQ2, most of the people who play EQ2 have played SWG, and most of them choose to play EQ2 instead. But yes, it's only our opinion, of course. I wonder why they have a better and bigger DEV team than SWG as well, and again -- MUCH more content and MUCH greater diversity of characters.
Thanks for your usual hit-and-run though, since we know you live by "rule number 7" :)
 
http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-videogame-fanboyism-83502.phtml

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Millions?  Because millions don't play the game?  If we're going to go that far, any game has millions, if not billions, of people that think Game X is better then Game Y ;)
Numbers certainly don't make something better.  McDonalds has 100's of thousands of people going through one of their restaurants on a daily basis compared to a 5 star restaurant that only gets maybe 1% of that traffic.  The 5 star gets less traffic, but it's better overall.  I'm not saying SWG is 5 star, I'm just saying that you can't use numbers to say something is better then something else ;)
It is of my personal opinion that SWG is a superior game over WoW due to the features it has that WoW doesn't.  It has the player housing, player cities, free roaming worlds both on the ground and in space, the crafting system, the graphics, the community, the many different mini-games that are present in the game and probably more that I'm not thinking of right now.  Unless a game has these features in it, it's unlikely I'm going to consider it to be superior to SWG.

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I know, remember I play it too. That doesn't make it a GOOD GAME.

The fact is, by any standard EXCEPT for the couple of features you mentioned, SWG is the worst game out there. Plus, all of those features you like have been harmed and/or dimished by SOE's OWN actions. SWG is a piece of junk with a couple of FEATURES you like. Enough to make you like it best. I'm cool with that, and I am glad you and a few people agree with you. Most don't. It's a tiny little wrck of a niche game that isn't half what it once was.

Plus, in terms of NUMBERS, when over 100K of your customers leave because of something you did to screw up the game, numbers certainly matter.

I had some sort of trial available on my account and tried it out again about six months ago or so, don't really remember. It still just didn't do it for me. Same crap....lagging on servers that seemed to be low pop (at least the areas I was in), rubberbanding, combat speed and animations just don't jive, that UI....ugh, that UI.  Don't get me wrong, it's better than what they presented to us as the initial NGE (which is when I cancelled), but there's just too much there for me to ignore just to get my sci-fi fix.....and I really need my sci-fi fix and I need it soon.

Nothing would please me more than being able to plop my ass down in the sand on Tatooine or hop into a Tie Interceptor and cruise Endor space, but I still have standards and this game just doesn't meet them. And ya's know what? It's not gonna change, we can argue/discuss/flame/propose whatever changes we want and none of it matters. If the stuff I listed as my gripe list hasn't been fixed yet, they aren't gonna get fixed ever. There might be one shot that I'd give it a go again (against all better judgment of course) and that would be server consolidation and one clean empty server to reroll on. I'd give that a go in hopes that a fresh database might eliminate some of the poor performance issues, but that's just hoping for the sake of hoping.

In any event, I still like to read up on what's going on simply because this train wreck of a journey still befuddles me to this day. Don't post much since, like I stated above, it doesn't really matter.....

Originally posted by Obraik

Millions?  Because millions don't play the game?  If we're going to go that far, any game has millions, if not billions, of people that think Game X is better then Game Y ;)

Numbers certainly don't make something better.  McDonalds has 100's of thousands of people going through one of their restaurants on a daily basis compared to a 5 star restaurant that only gets maybe 1% of that traffic.  The 5 star gets less traffic, but it's better overall.  I'm not saying SWG is 5 star, I'm just saying that you can't use numbers to say something is better then something else ;)

It is of my personal opinion that SWG is a superior game over WoW due to the features it has that WoW doesn't.  It has the player housing, player cities, free roaming worlds both on the ground and in space, the crafting system, the graphics, the community, the many different mini-games that are present in the game and probably more that I'm not thinking of right now.  Unless a game has these features in it, it's unlikely I'm going to consider it to be superior to SWG.

lol, Obraik try reading up on basic economics.

You can get a meal in MacDonalds for £2.99, a meal in a Michelin 3* restaurant around £120, it's not a comparrison that can be made to mmo's.

Cold, hard truth of the matter is that they've got hold of the most lucrative franchise in entertainment history, and screwed the product and customer base so badly that it's played by less people than obscure mmo's developed in the far east, that were never even meant for the western markets. Let me just emphasise that for you, it's a STAR WARS game with less players than Flyff, Silk Road, RF Online. Numbers in and of themselves aren't indicative to the quality of the game on their own, however when you've got the biggest franchise in entertainment history and can't get more subs than this, somehting is clearly, very, very wrong.

My post was really counter the post that currently is directly below this one about why come back to SWG if it's going to be replaced shortly.  The rest of 2008 is mapped out, and chapter 12 will be a 2009 publish, with more news going out in at fan fair about the future content.

There are many posters here that have written volumes based on a EA exec's one word comment "Yes", with that one word people like Jester announced that SOE would be making the announcement of the timetable when SWG would be shutting down this month.

Guyboy, I empathize with your plight. I really do.

But rational and reasonable predictions can be made from that simple one-word answer. Actually, what I find even more intriguing is what hasn't been said in the aftermath of that interview. Specifically there has been no denial from Bioware and, more importantly LucasArts. What do you think would happen to me if I formed a company and publicly stated I had a product in development based on LucasArts IP when it was not true? There would be hell to pay, and yet we've not heard a single word to indicate that this is the case.

Now you seem to be under the assumption that it's simply a matter of whether LA will keep two SW based MMO's going at the same time. I personally don't even think that matters at all. What really matters is the potential exodus from SWG if a new SW MMO becomes availble. I would even go so far as to hope that both games are allowed to run at the same time so consumers can make a choice based on quality rather then "the only Star Wars MMO available" syndrom.