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Originally posted by ummax

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by ummax

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Originally posted by Fishermage
 
 
 

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Originally posted by ummax

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Originally posted by Fishermage
 
 
 

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Originally posted by ummax
 

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Originally posted by talanisen
 

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Originally posted by Lateris
 
Has anyone brought up  the fact that the CEO's statement could get EA into a ball of hot wax if the contract  states no disclosure in the purchase of Bioware on all in house development projects? I have to say this is the worst announcement ever...but it is haiku.
 
 

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Ya really think that LA is going to go after the CEO of EA? Particularly when they are in the process of developing at least one major game with them?
EA has made it perfectly clear since they acquired Bioware that they want their investors to know about the KOTOR MMO. They've been leaking it like mad. This was just another opportunity for them to feed the buzz a little bit more without letting any real info out of the bag.
 
 

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I think part of it is that EA is being somewhat unethical in its approach to break sllence.  Most feel and have stated and I have seen it on multiple forum sites now that this was not supposed to be released by EA and that it is a breach of contract.     People are ignoring for the simple fact that they want it so bad that they will let it slide.   At least that is what I am seeing. I personally dont care.  I mean what harm is it going to do leaking this if it indeed was leaked and just not more false rumour stuff.    The thread on this subject of the announcment has been relegated to "rumour" material by bioware.   So to me this says that bioware is not ready to release info yet either (even though they are now part of EA).   When I saw that it was put in the "rumour" pile on the KOTOR forum it is a possible sign that it was not a leak and just more info that some people have made up and decided to feed us.    For now its nice.  I dont know ifi want KOTOR to become an mmorpg, but it depends what they do with it.  It might be great in which case I will happily line up and pay money for the game like others (even though I really hate EA lol)   .  I also see a lot of posts by diehard KOTOR fans saying that they dont want the KOTOR series to morph into an MMORPG.   There actually seem to be more posts saying that diehard KOTOR fans dont want an mmorpg then fans that do want one.   I'm thinking that it wont have the same success rate as wow did by attracting all its pc gamers to the MMORPG because the noises being made by the KOTOR gamer fanbase seems to say it wont draw them in in a similar manner that WoW drew fans in from their series of offline pc games.  
 
 

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Got a link from the Bioware or LA site where they are saying that the president of EA broke contract? I'd be most interested to see that.
 
 
 

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 if you read as I said there are multiple sites where PEOPLE are saying it it. I dont know if it is or not but it is another piece of heresay rumour floating around and being discussed on forums just like this one. The first place I read this was on a bioware forum stated by a poster who asked a mod to change the subject title of her post to be a query as apposed to "fact". The mod poped up in the thread moved it to the rumours section and changed the title to a question instead of a statement as a request of the poster. Its there to find if you want to look I'm not that into "proving" things which are easily found by simply surfing since I"m not much of one to spend ages on this stuff. Lets just say I found it in a 5 minute sit down break that I took from unpacking boxes after moving.
 

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No you didn't say "people" are saying it, you specifically did not say who was saying it -- you said it was being said.
 
It is not a "hearsay" rumor. It was a news report from conde naste which is a BUSINESS NEWS source and a very reputable one.
It was a report of a direct statement made by the president of the owner of Bioware -- anything but a rumor.
I have looked at the Bioware site, and the dude was obfuscating, much as you often do. I understand why you are not into "proving" things, because you are out to spread innuendo and spin. What I still wonder is WHY you do this. I can't fathom your agenda.
Now, without further obfuscation, WHO is saying that the president of EA, the owner of Bioware, is guilty of breach of contract, and where are they saying it. You are spreading a fairly serious allegation here, I'm curious as to where you heard this rumor that you have chosen to spread.
 

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lmao whatever
you have your fun but here is what is in my head and now you can have fun with that
a) I think a star wars MMORPG is being made
b) I think that what is happening with the "leak" was in fact a publicity stunt
c) I went to a bioware forum and read some info in a thread that was retitled about it being a "rumour" when at first he thought it was fact.  I'm sure you found the thread its not a large forum
that's it
no words between any lines that you think you see
I have spit out what is in my head for you to read.  You can argu that I dont think that but it will not change that fact that this is what I think and what i have said.  Maybe you dont agree but that is what I am saying.  
now i'm not going to argue about what you think i am doing any further that's for you to fight and argue with yourself.  I'm here to just talk about some games.  I'm not here for any other reason. 
Its just uncanny
where is the "liar" guy
WHERE IS HE I KNOW HE IS HERE lmao way funny
 now if you can't see what i have written on that page for what it IS and not what you WANT it to be that is your fault not mine
i have said that I think that the problem is is that people aer saying its unethical
I think its a publicity stunt but have not said that yet.  
now go to it tear it apart unlike last week I wont be indulging you :)
i'm not here to have you accuse me of things I'm here to have a conversation about a game that looks like its going to be launched in the new year (i hope).

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It doesn't seem like you want to have a conversation; it appears you want to say things that don't make any sense; then you state what you claim to believe that has nothing to do with what you said that was bizarre previously, then you get all defensive about the whole thing. Very strange indeed.

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I'm having conversations you like to do battle.   I'm not interested in doing battle only the basic conversation.  You spend a lot of time doing battle with many.  Maybe if people just stopped twisting words and demanding then it would be much more pleasant.   But when someone reads stuff and then says they read it and then it must be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt with links it becomes more then a converstaion.  It becomes a battle.  Then the insults start usualy i am delusional or something as you always insert a derogatory word or statement somewhere along the line usualy meant as a put down and to put yourself above the poster.  Quite frankly I tired of that last week when I asked people to back down and just talk for a change.   So that's right when it appears another battle is about to begin as in this case with the demans for links I end it because no i'm not interested in anything then just casual conversation.  In this case its ALL rumours anyhow what everyone is saying and nothing can be proven period.   So the demands for proof are in fact out of place and just an attempt to escalate a conversation beyind the original intent of the poster to turn it into something else.   Sorry battle is not something I'm willing to do on this board any longer as quite frankly its out of hand.

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Hmmm seems you think being disagreed with is a challenge to do battle, and that making things up is having a conversation. We'll have to agree to disagree. Also, it is amusing that you speak of insults when you are the one, at least between you and I, that throws the insults around. Then you cry when you get whooped.

Carry on, either way.

NGE was a LA project. That is why it was rushed. That is why it didn't adhere to the game the same way the CU still kept it linear with pre-CU. That is why LA fanbois deny it so hard.

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Originally posted by namelessbob
NGE was a LA project. That is why it was rushed. That is why it didn't adhere to the game the same way the CU still kept it linear with pre-CU. That is why LA fanbois deny it so hard.

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Completely false; as has been admitted by SOE people. Brenlo (current communications director of SOE), Dan Rubenfeld (Former SOE employee, Lead designer of the NGE), and Jeff Freeman (Former SOE employee and Lead gameplay Designer of the NGE) have all said otherwise.

This has nothing to do with LA fanboys say (are there any of those anywhere?) and everything to do what SOE themselves have said.

Wow, can't wait til this game goes live and all we see in the chat is the same old crap about the evil monstrosity that is SOE...

When I make my millions and form my game company we will produce Dead Horse Online.

SWG "Vets" get to play for free.

Originally posted by Slampig

Wow, can't wait til this game goes live and all we see in the chat is the same old crap about the evil monstrosity that is SOE...

 

When I make my millions and form my game company we will produce Dead Horse Online.

 

SWG "Vets" get to play for free.

LOL..... priceless

yes but this time its a brand new game and so its much easier to implement the dumbing down of the game (or in this case bringing it up to industry standards).  one major difference is that Bioware is making it and not SOE.  LA may have the control to say what gets implemented and what does not but Bioware has the right to say that wont work, thats not logical or even suggest ideas (LA is not as close to the community as Bioware is)

Originally posted by namelessbob

NGE was a LA project. That is why it was rushed. That is why it didn't adhere to the game the same way the CU still kept it linear with pre-CU. That is why LA fanbois deny it so hard.

You are absolutely, 100% wrong about the NGE being a LA project. LucasArts gave SOE a vague mandate to increase subscriptions...SOE's response was the NGE which they developed all on their own. LA is responsible for not stepping in and stopping the game from being killed but the NGE is all on SOE.

The only problem with NGE is that Pre-Cu and CU came before it. If today SWG had been released in NGE format everyone would be LIKE OMGZ. As for a eailer post saying ex-employees say its a myth that LA had a hand in NGE still cant say for certain. As a EX-employee i would trash my EX-job so why would i tell the truth and for the creator of NGE he isn't going to let LA have what he worked for even if its a epic-failure. No one knows for sure except LA execs and SOE execs.

Originally posted by Goldknyght

The only problem with NGE is that Pre-Cu and CU came before it. If today SWG had been released in NGE format everyone would be LIKE OMGZ. As for a eailer post saying ex-employees say its a myth that LA had a hand in NGE still cant say for certain. As a EX-employee i would trash my EX-job so why would i tell the truth and for the creator of NGE he isn't going to let LA have what he worked for even if its a epic-failure. No one knows for sure except LA execs and SOE execs.

I do not buy that in any way shape or form.  The premise of your statement is that the NGE, taken as it's own game, is a solid if not good product.  I could not disagree more.  I would actually have preferred the NGE to have come out as the initial launch because that would have proven my initial fears that SOE was incapable (Verant actually) of producing a quality Star Wars game and would have saved me many hours that were flushed down the toilet by SOE.

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Originally posted by Goldknyght
The only problem with NGE is that Pre-Cu and CU came before it. If today SWG had been released in NGE format everyone would be LIKE OMGZ. As for a eailer post saying ex-employees say its a myth that LA had a hand in NGE still cant say for certain. As a EX-employee i would trash my EX-job so why would i tell the truth and for the creator of NGE he isn't going to let LA have what he worked for even if its a epic-failure. No one knows for sure except LA execs and SOE execs.

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regardless of what came before it; regardless of the fraud that was perpetrated in bringing it forward, the NGE sucks as a stand alone game. SWG is not a good game; it only survives because if the Star wars name.

Now, as to what ex-employees say...I say bull. These ex-employees are not "trashing" anyone, they are explaining what happened.

All ex-employees have given sufficient evidence to show the NGE came from SOE, all CURRENT employees (the director of communications for SOE Brenlo), and all other evidence shows the NGE was a SOE project. No one is saying that LA did not have a hand in in (whatever that means, nice vague language you are using), but what I am saying is, the NGE was NOT an LA project, LA did not FORCE the NGE on SOE.

What I, and all available evidence everywhere throughout this debacle says is this (for the 576858459949494th time): that LA tol SOE to make the game more successful; that SOE came up with the NGE, that SOE convinced LA that the NGE would increase subs, and THEN LA approved of it.

Sure, no one knows for sure, then why is it that the Sons of Smedley continue to infect these forums with the lie that "it came from LA?"

That's the lie that starts this argument every time -- people defending SOE and blaming LA. All evidence -- and I mean every last bit we have -- says otherwise.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

 

regardless of what came before it; regardless of the fraud that was perpetrated in bringing it forward, the NGE sucks as a stand alone game. SWG is not a good game; it only survives because if the Star wars name.

Ultimately, this is the only thing that really needs to be said in the whole SWG debate. As an entertainment product, the current incarnation of SWG fails. I could elaborate, but frankly it's a discussion I'm sick of having.

All it takes to figure out that it fails is to look at the subscriptions, and then to look at the fact that LA has obviously decided to go with another company altog