That LA is still in the mix. They were the ones who pushed SOE to make an "easier to play" more "star warsy" game and to dumb it down so the lowest common denominator could get into it (much like WOW does). SOE is not blameless by any means. They should have had the fortitude to push back - but when your "boss" says do it, you do it

End of the day is that LA will either learn from their decisions in SWG or they will push KOTOR down the same path. They are starting off with the platform for one of the best games ever - but porting that to a MMO may be a challenge. Regardless, I don't expect to see this thing until Q4 2009 or early 2010. The monkeys might have taken over by then

It's not going to be a pre-cu. It's going be a new and fresh game. I doubt it will be as deep as old SWG, however, it will still be fun I'm sure. At this point, I just want something new...

Originally posted by Jaxon26

That LA is still in the mix. They were the ones who pushed SOE to make an "easier to play" more "star warsy" game and to dumb it down so the lowest common denominator could get into it (much like WOW does). SOE is not blameless by any means. They should have had the fortitude to push back - but when your "boss" says do it, you do it

 

End of the day is that LA will either learn from their decisions in SWG or they will push KOTOR down the same path. They are starting off with the platform for one of the best games ever - but porting that to a MMO may be a challenge. Regardless, I don't expect to see this thing until Q4 2009 or early 2010. The monkeys might have taken over by then

you have a good point, but:

a. If nge came out in teh shape teh game is now, it would have been much better recepted

b. BIOware has already done sw games with lucas arts over there shoulders and they have been the best products sw has had. I dont think there is much to worry about here. Bioware is great at what they do, damn near the best. With the team they have in size and quality, and the money they have invested and the time they have already been on this( since 2005) im sure that we will soon see th outline of an incredible mmo

FYI the game is due next year!

Originally posted by jadan2000

Originally posted by Jaxon26

That LA is still in the mix. They were the ones who pushed SOE to make an "easier to play" more "star warsy" game and to dumb it down so the lowest common denominator could get into it (much like WOW does). SOE is not blameless by any means. They should have had the fortitude to push back - but when your "boss" says do it, you do it

 

End of the day is that LA will either learn from their decisions in SWG or they will push KOTOR down the same path. They are starting off with the platform for one of the best games ever - but porting that to a MMO may be a challenge. Regardless, I don't expect to see this thing until Q4 2009 or early 2010. The monkeys might have taken over by then

 

you have a good point, but:

a. If nge came out in teh shape teh game is now, it would have been much better recepted

b. BIOware has already done sw games with lucas arts over there shoulders and they have been the best products sw has had. I dont think there is much to worry about here. Bioware is great at what they do, damn near the best. With the team they have in size and quality, and the money they have invested and the time they have already been on this( since 2005) im sure that we will soon see th outline of an incredible mmo

FYI the game is due next year!

Well...I'd be careful with that. That might be a generous first target date. Even if BioWare has been working on it since...let's say 2005 (The announcement for the new Studio dedicated entirely to the MMO was March 2006 and it mentioned they had already been working on it, though not for how long), I'd still think it more realistic to target 2010.

I'd be hoping for 2009. But realistically, I'm thinking 2010 earliest.

Originally posted by depain

It's not going to be a pre-cu. It's going be a new and fresh game. I doubt it will be as deep as old SWG, however, it will still be fun I'm sure. At this point, I just want something new...

Couldn't have said it better.

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Originally posted by Jaxon26
That LA is still in the mix. They were the ones who pushed SOE to make an "easier to play" more "star warsy" game and to dumb it down so the lowest common denominator could get into it (much like WOW does). SOE is not blameless by any means. They should have had the fortitude to push back - but when your "boss" says do it, you do it
 
End of the day is that LA will either learn from their decisions in SWG or they will push KOTOR down the same path. They are starting off with the platform for one of the best games ever - but porting that to a MMO may be a challenge. Regardless, I don't expect to see this thing until Q4 2009 or early 2010. The monkeys might have taken over by then

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Sorry, that's false. All LA said was, "make the game successful," the rest was SOE's idea, design, and implementation, which THEY pushed LA into accepting by misrepresenting what was wrong. LA didn't do their homework, and thought SOE knew what they were doing. Boy, was that a big mistake.

It's too late to spread the "it came from LA" myth. Dan Rubenfeld and other ex-SOE employees (as well as current SOE employees) have dispelled that myth. In fact, Dan STILL thinks the NGE waas a good thing, as does Brenlo (communications director of SOE), they just feel the problem was marketing and communication.

The problem was the reason the game was never successful was SOE's mismagememt. Therefore, the NGE, and the CU before it, which were merely attempts to cover up that fact, failed miserably.

As long as SOE is not in the mix, with their flagrant dishonesty and lack of consideration for the playerbase, as well as their poor management, it should be a great game.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Jaxon26

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I thought the NGE was influenced by Julio Torres?

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Originally posted by Shinobi904

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Jaxon26

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I thought the NGE was influenced by Julio Torres?

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Once the decision was madethe they dove into it together.

LA is certainly at fault for ALLOWING SOE TO DO IT, and for TRUSTING SOE, as well as for misleading everyone along with SOE, but everything that WAS the NGE was all SOE.

The former SOE Lead Designer (Dan Rubenfeld) STILL thinks the changes were not what was wrong, but it was messed up in marketing. At least the former lead gameplay designer (Jeff Freeman) has the decency to know what they did was unethical.

We now know much of what has happened, because the people who did it have admitted it. The rest is mythology and speculation AGAINST the facts. People who like SOE's other games are fond of doing that.

what "you" fail to realize is that we are only getting second hand info of he said she said and no one knows anything really lol.     It may not even be a kotor MMORPG it may still be something else.  We only know what info we are "fed" right now we are being fed information about some guy that said something who works for EA and we are in this case (cause it suits us) assuming its true.     When we see something written in their own hand (in this case EA as they are the ones charged with making this game supposedly) then we will know for sure.    Anyhow its a nice "debate" if only the angst was left outa it it would be more interesting.  

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Originally posted by ummax
what "you" fail to realize is that we are only getting second hand info of he said she said and no one knows anything really lol.     It may not even be a kotor MMORPG it may still be something else.  We only know what info we are "fed" right now we are being fed information about some guy that said something who works for EA and we are in this case (cause it suits us) assuming its true.     When we see something written in their own hand (in this case EA as they are the ones charged with making this game supposedly) then we will know for sure.    Anyhow its a nice "debate" if only the angst was left outa it it would be more interesting.  

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If the news service is lying, it's false. If they are telling the truth, it's not. This is a report from a first hand source.

I feel it's a pretty safe assumption, given this and all the other evidence, that it's true.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by ummax
what "you" fail to realize is that we are only getting second hand info of he said she said and no one knows anything really lol.     It may not even be a kotor MMORPG it may still be something else.  We only know what info we are "fed" right now we are being fed information about some guy that said something who works for EA and we are in this case (cause it suits us) assuming its true.     When we see something written in their own hand (in this case EA as they are the ones charged with making this game supposedly) then we will know for sure.    Anyhow its a nice "debate" if only the angst was left outa it it would be more interesting.  

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Not exactly. Either the president and CEO of EA said this, or he didn't.

 

If the news service is lying, it's false. If they are telling the truth, it's not. This is a report from a first hand source.

I feel it's a pretty safe assumption, given this and all the other evidence, that it's true.

 

I'm pretty sure LA would have said something by now if it wasn't true. Announcing a game based on their IP could get them quite upset I would think.

it doesn't matter anyways we now have a alternative to the nge, besides the duck. it will go like this

kotor mmo > ducks > NGE