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Star Wars Galaxies Forum » SWG Veteran Refuge » What Bothered Me Most About NGE...The Senator Shills

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  tman5

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/24/07
Posts: 612

12/04/12 12:39:45 PM#21
Originally posted by OSF8759

Remember when the player senate was flown out to SOE and they were shown the NGE ahead of its release? And those gently caressing Player Senators fell down at SOE's feet and thanked them for something so beautiful? This same beautiful thing that would drive 90% of the players out of the game? What the hell was up with that? Stockholm Syndrome?

Not one of those loving Senators said, "DO NOT WANT!"

This is not exactly how I remember it.  Many correspondents simply offered "no comment," either due to the NDA or maybe a case of  "If you can't say something nice . . ."  But clearly, they weren't fauning over what they saw.  At least one - I believe was the BH rep, though my memory is unclear -was very vocal in opposition to the point of being fired and replaced by someone more acceptable to management.

Sure, there were shills, but I don't recall it quite like "Invaders of the Body Snatchers" as you describe.

  Zorgo

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/05/05
Posts: 2193

Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

12/04/12 12:43:07 PM#22
Originally posted by OSF8759
Originally posted by Johnie-Marz
You must have been holding that in for a while.

I took some ex-lax and it just came out lol.

 

It smells that way.

  Traugar

Novice Member

Joined: 7/29/10
Posts: 167

12/04/12 12:47:06 PM#23
Originally posted by bigsmiff
I really liked the NGE. Pre-NGE was a grindfest and I do not see why so many people enjoyed it.

If all you did was grind pre-nge then you completely missed the point.  Grinding was part of it, but grinding is part of every mmo.  If all you did was grind a prof then start on the next then yea I can see why you wouldn't have enjoyed it.  

  Bob_Blawblaw

Novice Member

Joined: 1/11/06
Posts: 1314

12/17/12 11:59:46 AM#24

Up until the NGE I had no idea the Senate was a thing... I was too busy playing the game to hit the forums. Nov 15th 2005 is when I became a forum member, and thus, got to see the shills at work :(

And to echo Trauger, if you were just grinding Pre-NGE... you were not actually playing SWG. You were just looking at it.

  Obraik

Ewok

Joined: 5/02/05
Posts: 7303

12/23/12 5:29:59 AM#25
Originally posted by Burntvet

One of the big "flags" for me was the fact that senators were offered free subs and a host of other free bits, to tow the company line.

This made them defacto part time employees, who sold themselves cheap.

 

And least in the oldest days, most of the Correspondents (some of whom knew more about the ins and outs of their respective professions than the devs did) had the integrity to quit behind the CU and NGE changes.

The senators in the NGE era, lapdogs....

 

I was never once given free time from SOE for being a Srenator - infact I never got anything special from them.

 

The only time I (along with a few others from here) got free time was after the Feb 22 earthquake here in Christchurch in 2011.

  Burntvet

Elite Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2727

1/01/13 11:22:36 AM#26
Originally posted by Obraik
Originally posted by Burntvet

One of the big "flags" for me was the fact that senators were offered free subs and a host of other free bits, to tow the company line.

This made them defacto part time employees, who sold themselves cheap.

 

And least in the oldest days, most of the Correspondents (some of whom knew more about the ins and outs of their respective professions than the devs did) had the integrity to quit behind the CU and NGE changes.

The senators in the NGE era, lapdogs....

 

I was never once given free time from SOE for being a Srenator - infact I never got anything special from them.

 

The only time I (along with a few others from here) got free time was after the Feb 22 earthquake here in Christchurch in 2011.

Then that makes you the exception. Most other Senators did.

TUX was good enough to provide details on the how the system for game boosters worked.

 

And didn't they send you a box of swag for hosting an SWG event in the UK?

That doesn't sound like "I never got anything special."

 

  Bob_Blawblaw

Novice Member

Joined: 1/11/06
Posts: 1314

1/05/13 3:37:15 PM#27
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Obraik
Originally posted by Burntvet

One of the big "flags" for me was the fact that senators were offered free subs and a host of other free bits, to tow the company line.

This made them defacto part time employees, who sold themselves cheap.

 

And least in the oldest days, most of the Correspondents (some of whom knew more about the ins and outs of their respective professions than the devs did) had the integrity to quit behind the CU and NGE changes.

The senators in the NGE era, lapdogs....

 

I was never once given free time from SOE for being a Srenator - infact I never got anything special from them.

 

The only time I (along with a few others from here) got free time was after the Feb 22 earthquake here in Christchurch in 2011.

Then that makes you the exception. Most other Senators did.

TUX was good enough to provide details on the how the system for game boosters worked.

 

And didn't they send you a box of swag for hosting an SWG event in the UK?

That doesn't sound like "I never got anything special."

 

Can't believe I'm defending Obraik... but I believe it was Badgersmaker who hosted events in the UK. Speaking of which, where'd he go?

  Kazara

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/20/06
Posts: 1067

"Denial does not change reality."

1/08/13 2:34:32 PM#28
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Obraik
Originally posted by Burntvet

One of the big "flags" for me was the fact that senators were offered free subs and a host of other free bits, to tow the company line.

This made them defacto part time employees, who sold themselves cheap.

 

And least in the oldest days, most of the Correspondents (some of whom knew more about the ins and outs of their respective professions than the devs did) had the integrity to quit behind the CU and NGE changes.

The senators in the NGE era, lapdogs....

 

I was never once given free time from SOE for being a Srenator - infact I never got anything special from them.

 

The only time I (along with a few others from here) got free time was after the Feb 22 earthquake here in Christchurch in 2011.

Then that makes you the exception. Most other Senators did.

TUX was good enough to provide details on the how the system for game boosters worked.

 

And didn't they send you a box of swag for hosting an SWG event in the UK?

That doesn't sound like "I never got anything special."

 

Can't believe I'm defending Obraik... but I believe it was Badgersmaker who hosted events in the UK. Speaking of which, where'd he go?

You are correct Bob_Blawblaw. He held the event twice that I know of andreceived swag from $OE to give to those who attended his SWG event.

BadgerSmacker abandoned the game shortly after the closure announcement like many other players did. He also stopped posting on the O-board. I have no idea where he ran off to, but I'm sure he is "posting" under another name.

  Burntvet

Elite Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2727

1/08/13 3:38:30 PM#29
Originally posted by Kazara
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Obraik
Originally posted by Burntvet

One of the big "flags" for me was the fact that senators were offered free subs and a host of other free bits, to tow the company line.

This made them defacto part time employees, who sold themselves cheap.

 

And least in the oldest days, most of the Correspondents (some of whom knew more about the ins and outs of their respective professions than the devs did) had the integrity to quit behind the CU and NGE changes.

The senators in the NGE era, lapdogs....

 

I was never once given free time from SOE for being a Srenator - infact I never got anything special from them.

 

The only time I (along with a few others from here) got free time was after the Feb 22 earthquake here in Christchurch in 2011.

Then that makes you the exception. Most other Senators did.

TUX was good enough to provide details on the how the system for game boosters worked.

 

And didn't they send you a box of swag for hosting an SWG event in the UK?

That doesn't sound like "I never got anything special."

 

Can't believe I'm defending Obraik... but I believe it was Badgersmaker who hosted events in the UK. Speaking of which, where'd he go?

You are correct Bob_Blawblaw. He held the event twice that I know of andreceived swag from $OE to give to those who attended his SWG event.

BadgerSmacker abandoned the game shortly after the closure announcement like many other players did. He also stopped posting on the O-board. I have no idea where he ran off to, but I'm sure he is "posting" under another name.

My mistake...

Sometimes I have trouble keeping the shi... er... Fanb... um... boosters straight.

Does not change the fact that the "senators" had various freebies thrown their way, including free sub time, for "advocating" for the game. Whether or not a particular senator did or did not partake does not make much of a difference.

  Kazara

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/20/06
Posts: 1067

"Denial does not change reality."

1/11/13 1:57:56 PM#30
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Kazara
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Obraik
Originally posted by Burntvet

One of the big "flags" for me was the fact that senators were offered free subs and a host of other free bits, to tow the company line.

This made them defacto part time employees, who sold themselves cheap.

 

And least in the oldest days, most of the Correspondents (some of whom knew more about the ins and outs of their respective professions than the devs did) had the integrity to quit behind the CU and NGE changes.

The senators in the NGE era, lapdogs....

 

I was never once given free time from SOE for being a Srenator - infact I never got anything special from them.

 

The only time I (along with a few others from here) got free time was after the Feb 22 earthquake here in Christchurch in 2011.

Then that makes you the exception. Most other Senators did.

TUX was good enough to provide details on the how the system for game boosters worked.

 

And didn't they send you a box of swag for hosting an SWG event in the UK?

That doesn't sound like "I never got anything special."

 

Can't believe I'm defending Obraik... but I believe it was Badgersmaker who hosted events in the UK. Speaking of which, where'd he go?

You are correct Bob_Blawblaw. He held the event twice that I know of andreceived swag from $OE to give to those who attended his SWG event.

BadgerSmacker abandoned the game shortly after the closure announcement like many other players did. He also stopped posting on the O-board. I have no idea where he ran off to, but I'm sure he is "posting" under another name.

My mistake...

Sometimes I have trouble keeping the shi... er... Fanb... um... boosters straight.

Does not change the fact that the "senators" had various freebies thrown their way, including free sub time, for "advocating" for the game. Whether or not a particular senator did or did not partake does not make much of a difference.

I think there were a few senators that were also in some program which promoted $OE games (I cannot recall the exact title of the program) which did pay for subscription fees for particpating players. I also seem to recall that this was a hot-button topic on the O-boards back in the day.

  Bob_Blawblaw

Novice Member

Joined: 1/11/06
Posts: 1314

1/11/13 3:36:43 PM#31
Originally posted by Kazara

I think there were a few senators that were also in some program which promoted $OE games (I cannot recall the exact title of the program) which did pay for subscription fees for particpating players. I also seem to recall that this was a hot-button topic on the O-boards back in the day.

That rings a bell Kaz. I vaguely remember that.

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