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PlanetSide 2 Forum » General Discussion » Planetside 2 is NOT pay to win! Get it through your heads!

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  Enerzeal

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OP  12/16/12 5:18:43 AM#1

Medic class, TR, initial gun, T1 Cycler - best Medic gun.

Upgrade it through certifications, not purchased through the store - you cannot buy cert points. A membership of £9 or about $14.99, will grant you a 25% bonus to certificate gains. You can buy boosts, but the membership also gives 500 station cash which can buy you about 10 days worth of exp bonus. However the counter on the boosts continues while logged off, so the bonuses are very small.

The guns are ALL sidegrades, take the infiltrator class, the snipers come in three grades, the close, medium, and long range. The long range snipers are bolt actions or semi autos, which SUCK up close. The close range is the scout rifles which are much more effective at close range but TERRIBLE at long range.

Everything in this game, every gun, every cert comes with an upside and a downside. Buy a 2 shot burst rifle for the medic class? Lose out on your CQC possibilities. Cert it with a supresser? Lose out on long range shots.

If you believe that the game is pay to win you simply haven't played it enough yet, you don't understand it, or you have a bee in your bonnet about free to play in general.

Just a last note, I have free to play, because most stores are cons, most involve some kind of pay to win, Planetside 2 at most could be called a pay to progress faster game.

  zomard100

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12/16/12 5:25:16 AM#2
Sure it is not p2w, trolls will be always trolling :) do not take care about this kind of guys. PS2 developers made best f2p system i ever saw in any f2p mmo. Like i said before i have huge positive killing score without spending a single $, i only purcahsed alpha squad package
  Yamota

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12/16/12 5:30:29 AM#3

Unless every single item in a cash shop is purely costmetical then the game is to some degree Pay to Win.

Does it offer exp bonuses? Faster ways to get good weapons? Pay to Win. 

End of discussion.

  IMPYRE

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Joined: 9/27/04
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Yes, I have a question. When did you turn into a nutbar?

12/16/12 5:36:43 AM#4
Originally posted by Yamota

Unless every single item in a cash shop is purely costmetical then the game is to some degree Pay to Win.

Does it offer exp bonuses? Faster ways to get good weapons? Pay to Win. 

End of discussion.

 

 

Edit... Hmmmm

  Edelbert

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12/16/12 5:40:18 AM#5
Originally posted by Enerzeal

Upgrade it through certifications, not purchased through the store - you cannot buy cert points. A membership of £9 or about $14.99, will grant you a 25% bonus to certificate gains.

So you can buy cert points.

The whole P2W topic is not up to debate, players have different opinions on what P2W is, you will have to accept it. Just because you say it is not, doesn't mean it isn't.

  Kyleran

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12/16/12 6:24:16 AM#6
For some folks, being able to purchase ways to progress more quickly fits into their definition of P2W. You won't change their minds by saying it isn't so.

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  DMKano

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12/16/12 6:30:46 AM#7
P2Win or not is the least of P2s concern, there are a lot larger issues with the game.
  gordiflu

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12/16/12 7:52:14 AM#8
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Yamota

Unless every single item in a cash shop is purely costmetical then the game is to some degree Pay to Win.

Does it offer exp bonuses? Faster ways to get good weapons? Pay to Win. 

End of discussion.

[mod edit]

Just becouse YOU think something is NOT defined in a specific way doesn't make it not true.

And trolling is exactly what you did, trying to flame somebody asking him to grow up instead of reasoning why you are disagreeing. All the fanbois have been using the term "trolling" so much that they have ended up twisting the actual meaning.

I agree with Yamota. If you can get any advantage with real money, it's pay to win by definition. Now we can discuss if such advantage it's a tolerable one or not, but we can not discuss this: you pay, you get any advantage -> pay to win.

  ShakyMo

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12/16/12 8:28:57 AM#9
Gw2 is p2w then

Both games are pay to level a little bit quicker.
  samvenice

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12/16/12 8:35:29 AM#10
Originally posted by gordiflu

I agree with Yamota. If you can get any advantage with real money, it's pay to win by definition. Now we can discuss if such advantage it's a tolerable one or not, but we can not discuss this: you pay, you get any advantage -> pay to win.

So the advantage of what? getting a weapon that is for some aspect better than the starting one, and for some aspect worse than the starting one? There is no advantage here:

All weaps have stats allocated thru different attributes, there is no ultimate weapon. Mathematically speaking, they are all the same.

As for leveling up faster.. you can also not play and cert points will ramp up while you are offline.

and on a side note: I still kill and get killed by people 10+ ranks below me and 10+ ranks above, it's just that they play worse/better than me. [mod edit]

  Ambros123

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12/16/12 8:40:53 AM#11
Originally posted by Yamota

Unless every single item in a cash shop is purely costmetical then the game is to some degree Pay to Win.

Does it offer exp bonuses? Faster ways to get good weapons? Pay to Win. 

End of discussion.

Does it offer exp bonuses?  Not Pay to Win as it is time efficiency not advatage.

 

End of discussion.

  atuerstar

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12/16/12 8:47:06 AM#12

I call it support4more. Support the game and you get more than the people who dont support it.

 

The people that expect welfare gaming to give them as many options as supported gaming need a reality check.

  Reizla

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12/16/12 8:51:09 AM#13
Originally posted by Yamota

Unless every single item in a cash shop is purely costmetical then the game is to some degree Pay to Win.

Does it offer exp bonuses? Faster ways to get good weapons? Pay to Win. 

End of discussion.

I don't agree on the XP bonus being Pay2Win, but everything else (extra credits for subbed players, liimited gear in cash shop) is somewhat Pay2Win in my book.

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  Dysmetria

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12/16/12 9:22:49 AM#14
In my experience, P2W is the excuse those that do not pay and lose use. 
  gekido

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12/16/12 9:30:58 AM#15
Originally posted by Dysmetria
In my experience, P2W is the excuse those that do not pay and lose use. 

^ 100%

And you know what, **** them.   Drop $5-10 on a game you love and stop complaining.  Or sit there and be a f'ing freeloader your whole life and expect shit to be handed to you.  Then when you still get your damn face stomped in you'll have to find some other excuse.  Because in the case of PS2, that's all it is, an excuse.  I am alpha squad and I still use all the default weapons because I am so used to them at this point.  To top it off I'm apparenlty playing the most gimped faction and using the most gimped guns, NC.  Going by that logic, I should be getting paid for how awesome I really am.

  radagast777

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12/16/12 9:37:02 AM#16
nah its pay to win
  elvenwolf

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12/16/12 9:40:01 AM#17

Honestly, i don't see any pay to win in this game.

Nothing give you absolute advantage, everything have pros and cons, all depend on how you want to grow your character, but a good just arrived player can take down an high battle rank, have seen it happen often.

Is the perfect game? No, but surely you can throw thuosands of dollars at the cash shop and you will not be better than anyone else for it.

Looking cooler? Yeah, powerful stomper? No.

You want to win, play in team, that's the only way, unload your wallet on the cash shop all day long and you'll be at square one anyway.

Most of the higher certificates anyway make sense only if you teamplay, as medic i want the revive granade or the healing one, will spending 600 certificates make me  a powerhouse? No will make me able to help my team better, and so on.

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  Flex1

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12/16/12 9:47:07 AM#18
Originally posted by Yamota

Unless every single item in a cash shop is purely costmetical then the game is to some degree Pay to Win.

Does it offer exp bonuses? Faster ways to get good weapons? Pay to Win. 

End of discussion.

Not true in Planetside 2.

Pay to Win also means that cash is absolutely necessary, not the case in Planetside 2. It also means that when up against a cash shop item you always lose, not the case in Planetside 2.

 

Allods Online = Pay to WIn

Runes of Magic = Pay to win

Planetside 2 = Pay for convenience


  bcbully

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12/16/12 10:14:17 AM#19
Originally posted by Edelbert
Originally posted by Enerzeal

Upgrade it through certifications, not purchased through the store - you cannot buy cert points. A membership of £9 or about $14.99, will grant you a 25% bonus to certificate gains.

So you can buy cert points.

The whole P2W topic is not up to debate, players have different opinions on what P2W is, you will have to accept it. Just because you say it is not, doesn't mean it isn't.

You can not buy certs. You have to earn them.

  IMPYRE

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Yes, I have a question. When did you turn into a nutbar?

12/16/12 5:30:10 PM#20
Originally posted by Yamota

Unless every single item in a cash shop is purely costmetical then the game is to some degree Pay to Win.

Does it offer exp bonuses? Faster ways to get good weapons? Pay to Win. 

End of discussion.

 

Thats means the following games are P2W as well since they host a monthly fee as well as F2P system without dropping a dime into the game.

AO, EQ, EQ2, SWTOR, DDO, DCU and AoC

So lets face it, WoW is the only one that isn't P2W since it doesnt have F2P option by your definition of P2W.

Now go and play APB, that my gaming friend is a P2W system, not Planetside 2.

 

 

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