Here comes the latest round of "gee! This game is realllly great!"..........

Originally posted by BadT

Here comes the latest round of "gee! This game is realllly great!"..........

They're testing the waters, hoping we've disappeared by now.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by BadT

Here comes the latest round of "gee! This game is realllly great!"..........

They're testing the waters, hoping we've disappeared by now.

LOL! What? Leave now??!!?? We are just gettin to the good part!

Hi, i am new to this forum. By reading all this thread, i found how much immature is peope writing here, starting from _Pix_.

You know, i see that people here is hoping for Farlan to LOSE the lawsuit. But i would never hope for someone to lose a lawsuit. Farlan has already lost: the game did not sell well, they have tons of difficulties, they have terrible reputation among the gaming community: IF they stole the terrain engine, they have been already punished by the market: there is no need to damage them again. On the other hand, Mr _Pix_ will earn lots of money if he wins the lawsuit, and this is why he is writing here, trying to change the public opinion in his own interest. You are using this forum to damage reputation of a company, Mr _Pix_, and this is something i do not tolerate. I think that speaking publicly about you enemy during a trial you are involved on, BEFORE AND AFTER the final judjement of a court is morally incorrect, immature, and wrong. Because the next time you are involved in a lawsuit, you may be in the OTHER side and lose.

The trial is carried on inside the rooms of the french tribunals, NOT in a gaming forum. I see many people in this forum which openly HOPES for Farlan to lose the legal battle. Well, maybe this people have never been involved in a real-world trial. Maybe you have never lost a trial, and i hope it will never happen in your life, because it's a very bad thing (especially if you are innocent - it happens more often than what you think).

I have played dark and light for many time, and i have the RIGHT to say it is a good game. I don't have to explain why i like it, i like it - full stop. I do not understand WHY many people here hopes for the game to quit: what is your interest? what do YOU earn if DnL quits? Will you receive money from VWORLD? Of course, _Pix_ will be very happy (and will earn tons of money), but we players will not earn a cent. Those that play DnL will lose their free game. And the other players will lose a "free bad game", and will not earn a "new good game".   Well, i am on the side of the players, not of _Pix_, neither of Farlan.  REPEAT: i am on the side of MMORPG players.

You see, Mr _Pix_, you have found some free citizen, a free indipendent European which is not on your side. Will you issue a writ against me? Will you say that i am a psycopathic? i can give you my real address if you want.

I hope the best of luck to you AND to dark&light.

Dwerk, you say you are on the side of the mmorpg player.

I am a mmorgp player.  I am also still have an account on DNL.

Again, you say you are on the side of the player. It is the PLAYERS that forced the issue of the illegal acts of Farlan/DNL on this board. Mr. _Pix_ brought out the truth --- for the most part forced to by the lies and the attempted discrediting of his own work and words. It was NOT Mr. _Pix_ that started it here --- IT WAS THE DNL PLAYERS! Mr. _Pix_ DEFENDED HIMSELF against the horrible lies that Farlan PROMOTED and ENCOURAGED (there is proof of that here in these boards)

It is the PLAYERS who were ripped off, lied to, deceived and played for fools by Farlan.

As a PLAYER, Farlan has hurt the MMORPG community the most! Lies, deceit, trickery, theft (those that were charged 2 and 3x) -as well as  - those that were charged FULL PRICE for a game, *premium price*, and given only 10% of game!!

As a PLAYER, watching the horrible way in which Farlan treated us PLAYERS is inexcusable.

As a PLAYER, seeing the BLAME Farlan placed on the PLAYERS for the state of the game ( proof is in this forum --- placed here by PLAYERS who not only copied it word for word from the DNL boards but also provided a direct link to show the source).

As a PLAYER, when the BLAME on the PLAYERS p.o.'d a ton of people and didnt set so well with the mmo community, they turned around and BLAMED others, most notably, Mr. _Pix_.

As a PLAYER, the background and scenery is the BEST THING about DNL.

As a PLAYER, watching Farlan attempt to steal the tech AND claim OWNERSHIP of the BEST THING about DNL is sickening.

As a PLAYER, watching the lies and deceit Farlan produced being caught out continuously, shamelessly and with no remorse by Farlan, is inexcusable.

As a PLAYER, the actions of Farlan that continue in the mmo industry is disgusting.

As a PLAYER, NOT standing out AGAINST companies that wish to lie, deceive, blame, and RIP OFF the mmo player on a CONTINOUS basis is immoral, deceitful, and top of the line sleaze.

As a PLAYER, what Farlan has done to the mmo industry -- allowing the trust and expectations of the mmo player to be trampled upon, chewed up and spit back out like phlegm -- set this industry back 10 years. No longer is the average player allowing the belief in what a developer says, no longer is the "pre-order" quite the same as it was before DNL.

As a PLAYER, the small developer companies now have an even harder trek up the mountain of success of online gaming due to the explosive and destructive actions of Farlan, REGARDLESS of Mr._Pix)

IF you read the thread --- then you would have seen that a COURT OF LAW determined that VWORLD had NOT damaged the rep of Farlan.

Farlan has done that alllll by themselves.

Farlan has its place in the history books of the mmo industry -- the more they continue, the worse it gets. No amount of casting blame on others (Players, Click&Buy, _Pix_, hell, even the weather, sickness, transportation problems, you name it! Farlan has used it!) will shift the damage Farlan has done. No amount will shift the blame.

As a PLAYER, allowing for a company that has begun and continue to reside in the lowest of the low in their actions towards the gaming community, you should be fighting for decent playable games, the truth about the state of the game when marketing, the truth about the state of the game in the actual execution of the game (miracle patches?), honest and truthful developers who actually care about their players and fans.

If DNL did ONE thing for the community -- it was to make the average player EXPECT a playable game, EXPECT the truth in dealing with its fans, EXPECT the Dev to care about its players.

DNL and its continuing actions toward the player base, the mmo community is the REAL wolf here. Not Mr. _Pix_ ---- its the continuing LIE Farlan keeps trying but has ALREADY BEEN LAWFULLY CONVICTED for the things it attempted to BLAME OTHERS for.

Mr. _Pix_ has EVERY RIGHT to defend himself and his company against these sleazebags. It was them that started it, it will be Mr. _Pix_ that ends it.

As a PLAYER, you should be standing up for the mmo community as a whole and NOT support Devs and any other company that attempts what Farlan did and is doing to take hold of the mmo player and the gaming industry. Defending the outrageous, deceitful actions of Farlan only shows the ignorance that is still prevalent out there and Farlans singleminded quest to find those ignorant enough to buy into them.

Originally posted by Dwerk-

Hi, i am new to this forum. By reading all this thread, i found how much immature is peope writing here, starting from _Pix_.

You know, i see that people here is hoping for Farlan to LOSE the lawsuit. But i would never hope for someone to lose a lawsuit. Farlan has already lost: the game did not sell well, they have tons of difficulties, they have terrible reputation among the gaming community: IF they stole the terrain engine, they have been already punished by the market: there is no need to damage them again. On the other hand, Mr _Pix_ will earn lots of money if he wins the lawsuit, and this is why he is writing here, trying to change the public opinion in his own interest. You are using this forum to damage reputation of a company, Mr _Pix_, and this is something i do not tolerate. I think that speaking publicly about you enemy during a trial you are involved on, BEFORE AND AFTER the final judjement of a court is morally incorrect, immature, and wrong. Because the next time you are involved in a lawsuit, you may be in the OTHER side and lose.

The trial is carried on inside the rooms of the french tribunals, NOT in a gaming forum. I see many people in this forum which openly HOPES for Farlan to lose the legal battle. Well, maybe this people have never been involved in a real-world trial. Maybe you have never lost a trial, and i hope it will never happen in your life, because it's a very bad thing (especially if you are innocent - it happens more often than what you think).

I have played dark and light for many time, and i have the RIGHT to say it is a good game. I don't have to explain why i like it, i like it - full stop. I do not understand WHY many people here hopes for the game to quit: what is your interest? what do YOU earn if DnL quits? Will you receive money from VWORLD? Of course, _Pix_ will be very happy (and will earn tons of money), but we players will not earn a cent. Those that play DnL will lose their free game. And the other players will lose a "free bad game", and will not earn a "new good game".   Well, i am on the side of the players, not of _Pix_, neither of Farlan.  REPEAT: i am on the side of MMORPG players.

You see, Mr _Pix_, you have found some free citizen, a free indipendent European which is not on your side. Will you issue a writ against me? Will you say that i am a psycopathic? i can give you my real address if you want.

I hope the best of luck to you AND to dark&light.

First of all, FLAMING someone outright is morally incorrect, immature and wrong especially when you add ignorant statements behind it.

Public opinion does not hinder, hamper, encourage nor influence a court of law in this case. Public opinion in this case comes directly from the actions of Farlan. And the crapazz game they produced and still continue to try to convince people its a good game.

You are all for feeling sorry for Farlan, and that they have already been punished. What about Pix? Farlan has gone overboard in their relentless pursuit to damage Pix and his reputation. They drew first blood, not Pix. They did and still are attempting to lay claim of HIS technology. They promoted the game with the  words "the biggest mmo you have ever seen"....thats Pix's technology, not theirs.

Farlan has already made lots of money in the money they STOLE from the players. Promising a game and giving only 10% of what they paid for. THOUSANDS of people refunded and Farlan even attempted to block their refunds! Before the people even received the game, Farlan attempted to block their money back! That didnt work either. When they tried to overbill , they blamed Click and Buy -- which instructions CAME FROM FARLAN!

Farlan is continuing to attempt to make money with Pix's technology ...and what of Pix? Is he not entitled to be paid for something he created and owns? Why shouldnt Pix be compensated for the damage Farlan attempted and was found GUILTY of doing themselves?

You play in the illegal sandbox, you are gonna get hurt. It shouldnt be the guy who is responsible for what the Devs use as a marketing tool and claim ownership illegally, even going so far as bringing it to a country where the laws supposedly wont touch them? Why didnt Farlan go to Europe? the US? or any other country that respects the creation and ownership of rights? -- One reason ---- to get away with they attempted to do. Simple.

And as far as speaking publicly about a trial you are involved in? What of the remarks and posts that Farlan themselves made??? What of the dastardly actions Farlan has done towards Pix? You arent looking at the whole picture -- in fact, you are doing exactly what Farlan wants.

The many who have ill feelings toward Farlan, especially the ones that do and continue to speak out against Farlan have in fact, EVERY RIGHT to. They are former TRUE LOYAL FANS, from YEARS BACK, that were lied to, decieved, manipulated, ripped off and insulted by Farlan.  They more than ANYONE have the RIGHT to speak out and the OBLIGATION towards the gaming players to do so. You on the other hand, are doing just what you are flaming about.

Your soapbox preaching smacks of ignorance of this entire, yes, YEARS long episode of which you are obviously NOT an original player. Many of these people who continue here were BETA PLAYERS. Some still are active account holders. They saw the promises, they saw everything from DAY ONE and experienced it. YOu havent! You have NO RIGHT to speak AGAINST that which you so obvioulsy dont know the REAL STORY.

I agree with BadT. Feel sorry for Farlan. And make your smartazz remarks -- it only shows your ignorance.

Whoa Dudes! Let it go man. This is obviously someone who has posted here before and is just trying the old and tired ploy of blaming Pix for allllllll of Farlans troubles.

Let it go. Ignore posts like this. Trollers, posers and flamers is all they are.

yada yada yada yada don't voice your opinion dude as you can see if you have a negative point to anything here you seem to inherit the title of TROLL,FLAMER e.t.c amazing how one sided things are, best thing to do would be to just walk away and go read something of some intelligence.

Originally posted by Cholayna

Whoa Dudes! Let it go man. This is obviously someone who has posted here before and is just trying the old and tired ploy of blaming Pix for allllllll of Farlans troubles.

Let it go. Ignore posts like this. Trollers, posers and flamers is all they are.

If anything comes out of this, it will be that posters like this do in fact ADD to the ill feelings Farlan has generated. And again, it shows utter stupidity in a business sense. Can't believe these guys are rich businessmen. Whatever business they have that has made them this money it has GOT to be one in which the consumer is ill regarded.

Originally posted by Cholayna

Whoa Dudes! Let it go man. This is obviously someone who has posted here before and is just trying the old and tired ploy of blaming Pix for allllllll of Farlans troubles.

Let it go. Ignore posts like this. Trollers, posers and flamers is all they are.

BadT, don't you think you are a bit exaggerating? dont' you think your statements ("as a player....") are some excessive? you are describing Farlan as the Son Of The Devil, the cause of every problem of the MMORPGs market: they damaged the market, they created psycologyc traumas among the players, they damaged other companies with blames, they damaged the poor and honest _Pix_, their game is so buggy that players are offended, they lied su much they should burn on the stake. Maybe you should try to relax on the sofa, ask yourself  "if I would be in the part of Farlan, what would i think?".

I have played Dark&Light SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE BETATEST (read it again, if neccessary). I am one of those that followed DnL since the beginning, and like many others i felt angry when the promises do not became reality, and the bugs never fixed, and so on. But i DO NOT HATE THEM. A lawsuit is not a football match, it's real life. They are humans (homo sapiens), and humans can do mistakes, and if they made mistakes they MUST pay. But paying for their mistakes does not mean being exposed to the public pillory. The middle ages are over. And i will NEVER throw the first stone.

You are accusing Farlan to have BLAMED everyone, the players and the other companies. But in these posts, YOU are blaming Farlan extensively. Read all the thread from start: you are writing all the worst about Farlan, you are doing the same mistake, you are putting yourself on the same side of Farlan (except for Charlizd, which is balanced and reasonable).

I am sorry men, but i am NOT on your side. First, my idea of justice is more mature than yours. Second, if Farlan loses (and they MUST lose, if they stole something) we will lose a free game, and i cannot see how this could be an advantage. Finally, with regard to _Pix_ i think  that going around forums chit-chatting about your oppositor in a trial you are involved on is very immature and ignorant, (this is true for BOTH SIDES, obviously), and an intelligent person cannot have such a behavior.

It is not ignorant, nor morally wrong, nor any of the things you profess to be a character flaw  to back a winner!

Farlan threw the first stone.

Farlan grabbed forum threads with BLAME on Pix for their lousy game, AFTER Farlan PUBLICLY blamed the players themselves.

Pix has every RIGHT to PUBLICLY defend himself. Period.

The problem you all have is that Farlans dirty laundry has now become PUBLIC --- but only due to their own actions, not others.

An arrogant and deceitful attitude towards all of this is what started all of this. Pix is simply defending himself and his work , as he should.

The fact that we believe him is not morally wrong, nor immature.

It takes a sense of logic, a bit of intelligence and experience, as well alot of common sense to understand the entire situation. You obviously cannot and will not see what is proof in front of you.

If you truly are one of the few remaining BETA TESTERS, tell your BETA name here. The others here will recognize the name.

I for one, do not believe a word you said about your experience from day one. If you truly were, you would be the ONLY BETA PLAYER who HAS NOT COMPREHENDED what has been and is continuing by the Farlan gang.

Starting flame wars on a forum, and in a thread in which you "will not tolerate" is wrong and immature.

If it is so intolerable for  you, there is one thing to truly do......dont read it. Period.

This information is given out to the mmo players and the mmo community. Period. This has nothing to do with "public opinion regarding a court of law".

Twisting the truth, twisting the situation is the expertise of Farlan. You are failing quite rapidly at it.

You cannot twist a court of law's opinion when the opinion has already been handed down.

Farlan stole this mans work. Farlan is claiming ownership. Farlan accused Pix of ruining their reputation. A court of law has so far found Farlan quilty of harassing this man with a frivolous lawsuit and determined that Pix is NOT responsible for their own bad rap. Farlan spoke out first about it being Pix's fault (after the abysmal accusation of their own players being at fault) for the problems with the game. Farlan has, in many, many, many posts accused Pix of ruining their game. Farlan has in many many many different avenues claimed ownership of something they do not nor never had ownership of. Farlan has even attemtped to keep it out of the courts by going to China with it. All of Farlans tricks have been brought to light in toooo toooo many instances to count, yet they continue with their arrogant, self-serving actions.