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Firefall Forum » General Discussion » The banning by Red 5 has started... beware.

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  Blotie

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Joined: 12/21/06
Posts: 17

 
OP  10/03/13 3:45:21 PM#1

Before you play FF or spend a dime on it... something to consider...

I have been a player of Firefall for over a year and a half.  There are a lot of great things about this game but it definitely has some serious issues.   I thought I would briefly share my experience with others.

Several months ago the Devs started editing post/polls on their forums as well as being not so friendly to posters that posted anything negative about the game or company.  The ban hammer soon followed and people started being banned for being negative.  The hammer got me today when I pointed out that the upcoming patch has no new content and there is none in the foreseeable future.  That seems to get you banned without warning.

I am sure things are stressful at Red 5 with the recent layoffs and the shutting down of PvP.  It is unfortunate that they are taking it out on the community that has been with them for a while and provided feedback both negative and positive.

But after all it is just a game and there are plenty of them out there!  Besides, FF was starting to remind me of War Z.

  Rorhc

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Joined: 10/25/09
Posts: 81

10/03/13 3:54:48 PM#2
Originally posted by Blotie

Before you play FF or spend a dime on it... something to consider...

I have been a player of Firefall for over a year and a half.  There are a lot of great things about this game but it definitely has some serious issues.   I thought I would briefly share my experience with others.

Several months ago the Devs started editing post/polls on their forums as well as being not so friendly to posters that posted anything negative about the game or company.  The ban hammer soon followed and people started being banned for being negative.  The hammer got me today when I pointed out that the upcoming patch has no new content and there is none in the foreseeable future.  That seems to get you banned without warning.

I am sure things are stressful at Red 5 with the recent layoffs and the shutting down of PvP.  It is unfortunate that they are taking it out on the community that has been with them for a while and provided feedback both negative and positive.

But after all it is just a game and there are plenty of them out there!  Besides, FF was starting to remind me of War Z.

Nope , can't see why that happened at all.

This could end up being very interesting.

  Blotie

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Joined: 12/21/06
Posts: 17

 
OP  10/03/13 4:10:48 PM#3
Originally posted by Rorhc
Originally posted by Blotie

Before you play FF or spend a dime on it... something to consider...

I have been a player of Firefall for over a year and a half.  There are a lot of great things about this game but it definitely has some serious issues.   I thought I would briefly share my experience with others.

Several months ago the Devs started editing post/polls on their forums as well as being not so friendly to posters that posted anything negative about the game or company.  The ban hammer soon followed and people started being banned for being negative.  The hammer got me today when I pointed out that the upcoming patch has no new content and there is none in the foreseeable future.  That seems to get you banned without warning.

I am sure things are stressful at Red 5 with the recent layoffs and the shutting down of PvP.  It is unfortunate that they are taking it out on the community that has been with them for a while and provided feedback both negative and positive.

But after all it is just a game and there are plenty of them out there!  Besides, FF was starting to remind me of War Z.

Nope , can't see why that happened at all.

Surprisingly, Red 5 is the one that stated there will be no content in the next patch.  They are concentrating on bugs and have stopped working on content altogether.  

  Souleater42069

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Joined: 10/06/13
Posts: 7

10/09/13 12:30:08 PM#4
That sounds like a great thing to me. That is the reason I quit mortal online, instead of fixing bugs they added a animation content pack. As far as banning you, you didn't paste your post you sure you weren't being volgure.
  Blotie

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Joined: 12/21/06
Posts: 17

 
OP  10/09/13 3:37:54 PM#5
Originally posted by Souleater42069
That sounds like a great thing to me. That is the reason I quit mortal online, instead of fixing bugs they added a animation content pack. As far as banning you, you didn't paste your post you sure you weren't being volgure.

My last post:

<blockquote ugc="" basehtml"="">No, they are not new content with the possible exception of the new user experience if it exists. You can attempt to argue the definition of content but we all know what it is. Sorry but there is no way to spin the lack of content. When the next patch hits, there will be nothing new to do in the world.

As for personal attacks, that would be the last sentence in what I quoted above and your comment about making things up. Sorry but I am not going to get any further involved with the FF forum drama. Attitudes from posters and even one Dev are already harmful to FF. No point in me making it worse by engaging in similar postings. Good luck to you.

 

I posted/played as Wickedocity.  The thread that led to my banning:

http://forums.firefallthegame.com/community/threads/vip-program-and-pricing.2408621/page-15#post-38600621

You can go to the forums and search post by my name.  Not a single vulgar, rude or personal post.  You will even find many praising the game.

Sadly, the game and community seem to be imploding.  They must be swinging the ban hammer like crazy today.  Go read their forum.   It is sad and yet hilarious in its own way.
  iJustWant

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Joined: 6/14/12
Posts: 82

10/09/13 4:11:31 PM#6

You'd see the opposite end of this spectrum, if you checked out the Defiance forums.

 

Players openly post in the worst ways possible, even to the extent of calling out Devs by name & making personal attacks on them. There are even threads about GTA5 / GTAO, and I mean threads where players recruit for clans, discuss gameplay, complain about gameplay, everything - all in the official Defiance game forums.

 

The worst I've seen there is that a thread is sometimes closed, and players sometimes receive "infractions" from the forum mods; it is a common practice to take the verbiage of the infraction and add it to your forum signature. It's pathetic. 

 

I'd read your post - it sounded like you were giving them feedback, not talking smack at all. Maybe they have some new moderators. Have you tried emailing their forum admin / forum support? I'm sure you can go over the moderator's head, and ask to be reactivated.

 

 

  Blotie

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Joined: 12/21/06
Posts: 17

 
OP  10/09/13 5:13:54 PM#7
Originally posted by iJustWant

You'd see the opposite end of this spectrum, if you checked out the Defiance forums.

 

Players openly post in the worst ways possible, even to the extent of calling out Devs by name & making personal attacks on them. There are even threads about GTA5 / GTAO, and I mean threads where players recruit for clans, discuss gameplay, complain about gameplay, everything - all in the official Defiance game forums.

 

The worst I've seen there is that a thread is sometimes closed, and players sometimes receive "infractions" from the forum mods; it is a common practice to take the verbiage of the infraction and add it to your forum signature. It's pathetic. 

 

I'd read your post - it sounded like you were giving them feedback, not talking smack at all. Maybe they have some new moderators. Have you tried emailing their forum admin / forum support? I'm sure you can go over the moderator's head, and ask to be reactivated.

 

 

The person that started swinging the hammer was just reassigned to another position in the company but I have no desire to return.  The whole experience just left me soured on the game.  The game appears to be dying anyway.  No need to waste time playing when there is so much more out there.

  avalon1000

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Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 730

10/14/13 3:01:57 PM#8
The game is far from dead. Interesting that last night I saw people doing PvP with flags on their backs in Copa. The mod you were talking about is the one who wrote the long "no more negative posts" thread (I assume). There was a lot of negativity on the site and we do need more of an expansion, but they did the right thing by taking care of the bugs first and giving new players a better start Ithe game was very confusing at first).
  KaosLegion

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Joined: 5/12/10
Posts: 64

10/14/13 3:19:50 PM#9
That's what you get for being a smart ass to the community manager, funny it doesn't seems you linked your post to that page.  Maybe this http://forums.firefallthegame.com/community/threads/vip-program-and-pricing.2408621/page-9 not saying your right or wrong but don't sell your shit on a lie.
  Riqqy82

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Joined: 3/07/13
Posts: 26

10/14/13 3:40:44 PM#10
That is too bad man, but honestly this is something you and every other gamer better get used to...and i dont mean you have to accept it, I mean you just need to walk away, sadly the all seeing eye is going to try to control the population into believing that what they produced is the best thing ever, if you try to stand up, they will lock you out, its sad times, like this website, its a good idea, until it sold out, hell im willing to bet mmo-rpg are share holders in most of these shitastic games that it promotes, they are all bad, mark my words, SOE is a bad company stop buying their products right now, they've been undermining the mmo community for a decade now, blizzard is following suit, all these companies are after your hard earn dollars, these games are introduced, then asked to be funded by people, then tell the people they can play for free, then makes cash shops, rake in a few million dollars, and then let the games rot out, and then they make a new game and rinse wash repeat, its more effective than selling a single player game like zelda for instance, because instead of making 60 dollars on a game, they are raking in probably close to 300 dollars minimum off any working person. think before you buy, preview and review, firefall is done its failed, FFARR is done its failed, wow is done its failed, sure they still have subs still making money, but their subs are falling off, these companies are producing for tomarrow, not for next generation. Its a bad way to do buisness, its almost like they are playing you like the stock market...think about it

  Vynxe_Vainglory

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Joined: 3/26/13
Posts: 21

10/14/13 4:11:41 PM#11

I read the whole thread.  

I thought the posts from Phobos were sarcastic, fearful, and sad to read.  

No forum moderator should be insulting posters and defending every negative comment with an equally poor attitude.

He seems very insecure, which makes the company seem insecure.

 

And as for your argument, although it was a bit dramatic and petty....nowhere near ban-worthy.

On a funny note, that last idiot who said you used the "No true Scotsman" fallacy did not understand what the "No true Scotsman" fallacy is; because you didn't use it....what is funnier is that he even linked the wikipedia for it, which clearly and conveniently shows that he misunderstood the meaning of it after even going so far as to infer that he was  a "logic buff".

Good stuff.

  rawfox

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Joined: 12/03/09
Posts: 618

10/14/13 4:14:57 PM#12

OP, ... something personal ... stfu ^^

 

  FlyByKnight

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Joined: 12/31/12
Posts: 519

10/14/13 4:36:47 PM#13

Firefall is going down a pretty obvious path. The recent ramp up in moderation and banning is them trying to save face and protect interests for as long as possible until the jig is up.

 

It started with "vocal minority" as they put it, and now even some of  their die hard fans whom one would consider "fan boys" are getting restless and upset with the lack of progress, back tracking, and dream selling.

 

They're simply not delivering anything remotely close to what they were advertising and marketing. They have managed to come up with all types of new ways to monetize eager fans  before they even have 20% of a full game that doesn't have pretty serious bugs. Be prepared to hear a whole lot more about "technical limiations" for things they stated they were doing from 2 years ago. I won't even get into how poor the combat is. Not one significant improvement.

 

Rather than get yourself personally invested and frustrate yourself by trying to speak out on the FF forums I think it's time for people to step away from Firefall, Red5 and let nature take it's course. I simply log-on to see what the new patches bring and end up logging back off for good after 1-2 days of trying it out.

 

I think everybody deep down knows where this game is headed regardless of the potential we all see it having. Red 5 needs a leadership and direction change yesterday.

  Instigator-Jones

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Joined: 2/07/13
Posts: 520

10/14/13 5:41:26 PM#14

I think it's refreshing that a moderator would step up the oversight. I don't approve of them 'lashing' out in defense of the negativity, but I do think it's appropriate to call out those commenters that spout useless FUD just because they 'feel' that they're in the right.

Your comment that 'no new content is coming out' ... seriously, how would someone know that? Maybe the developers and those close to them would, but I'm betting that NO developer would slander their own product and then plaster it over forums.

I know the argument: "this is the intraweb bro... get used to it", but we've lost some basic respect for fact and have let our personal insight take over. Facts are facts, if you don't know then you are just speculating. Speculation, when it's misguided, just muddies the water and that's not productive nor is it good for the developer.

So +1 for the mods to delete/ban/reject comments that are fueled with vitriol and misdirection.

  Blotie

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Joined: 12/21/06
Posts: 17

 
OP  10/16/13 8:08:43 PM#15
Originally posted by Instigator-Jones

I think it's refreshing that a moderator would step up the oversight. I don't approve of them 'lashing' out in defense of the negativity, but I do think it's appropriate to call out those commenters that spout useless FUD just because they 'feel' that they're in the right.

Your comment that 'no new content is coming out' ... seriously, how would someone know that? Maybe the developers and those close to them would, but I'm betting that NO developer would slander their own product and then plaster it over forums.

I know the argument: "this is the intraweb bro... get used to it", but we've lost some basic respect for fact and have let our personal insight take over. Facts are facts, if you don't know then you are just speculating. Speculation, when it's misguided, just muddies the water and that's not productive nor is it good for the developer.

So +1 for the mods to delete/ban/reject comments that are fueled with vitriol and misdirection.

The Devs actually stated they had stopped working on content to focus on bugs.  They stopped working on PvP and removed it completely.   Dont know what to tell you.  I could link to the Devs post but I dont pay attention to FF any more.  I was merely providing a warning.

  User Deleted
10/17/13 12:21:13 PM#16
Originally posted by Vynxe_Vainglory

 

On a funny note, that last idiot who said you used the "No true Scotsman" fallacy did not understand what the "No true Scotsman" fallacy is; because you didn't use it....what is funnier is that he even linked the wikipedia for it, which clearly and conveniently shows that he misunderstood the meaning of it after even going so far as to infer that he was  a "logic buff".

Good stuff.

 

 

Yeah I read that and scratched my head. For a "logic buff" he clearly had zero idea what no true scotsman means. 

  flizzer

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Joined: 11/10/12
Posts: 1310

10/17/13 12:24:04 PM#17
Over the years I have learned NEVER to post anything critical on official game forums.  Come here or some other gaming forum to do that.  It makes sense the company wants to put their best foot forward and may want to limit the amount of negativity about their game. Hell, I might even do the same thing.  Just understand that and you should be fine. 
  Tekaelon

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Joined: 2/09/08
Posts: 493

10/18/13 9:08:55 AM#18

I probably read your post at some point. After the patch there were so many pointing out that there was no new content. Some were constructive, some were not. Ultimately though Red5 had stated clearly that this patch would be bug fixes and minor improvements and that's exactly what it was.

Red5 has been very open to community feedback. I believe it is definitely shape the game. However some people, not accusing OP BTW, are just insulting. Their comments bring nothing to the table but negativity. Negativity does not make a good game, it just brings the community down! 

To the person who stated they are not working on new content, not true. Content and game features are in the works as sated on multiple occasions by various team members. If Red5 can keep it together and stay focused they will ultimately have one of the most original games released in years. Don't believe, come try it for yourself.

 

Peace

  scoobyderp

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Joined: 6/13/12
Posts: 3

10/21/13 6:07:49 PM#19
Originally posted by Blotie 

The person that started swinging the hammer was just reassigned to another position in the company but I have no desire to return.  The whole experience just left me soured on the game.  The game appears to be dying anyway.  No need to waste time playing when there is so much more out there.

 

Phobos was a horrible community manager and I've always thought that for the nearly year and a half I was involved in the game. I have no idea where they picked that guy up from but he's about the last person I'd want as the 'public face' of a product I'm making. I've seen the guy threaten a ban on a player claiming a person was spreading misinformation only to have the player post links supporting their claim only to have Phobos lock the thread and ban the player anyway. That is not to mention is generally sarcastic and d-baggy way of dealing with the public or complete lack of moderation on personal attacks toward players with 'less-than-stellar' feedback. 

 

I really want to know how Phobos still has a job. I mean, the guy has the mentality of a middle school child with too much 'power' at his fingertips and it shows in the way he treats others. Instead of stuffing him back into the dark hole they found him in they give him another job title. 

 

I heard that FadedPez (Frank I think is his real name?) took over his spot and if so that is a very, very good thing. He's a genuinely nice guy and I think the players that come to the forums will see a change/shift in the overall postings if he takes over. He actually treats others with respect and (surprise, surprise!) players usually give it in return.

 

  avalon1000

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Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 730

11/09/13 4:41:16 PM#20
I found the forum mods to be quite respectful and communicative. I had an issue with losing the charge up sound for Tigerclaws and got a great response from the company.
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