Dear MMORPG trolls,


I would like to take a moment and show you a screen shot from a MMORPG

This is a game called Meridian 59.  The game is supposedly the "first" 3D-MMORPG.  This game is still around.
When I see people who compare Vanguard to WoW or any game to any other game via the INTERFACE I tend to get a little agitated.

Have you ever played DOOM?  Have you ever played Half-Life?  What about Unreal?  When I first opened up Unreal Tournament I was satisfied because I could easily adapt to the INTERFACE because it was so similar to other FPS games.

MMOs are all going to have an interface similar to other MMOs so that the learning curve is different.  If a game fails to have that interface, people will complain.  People will call the interface confusing.  EQ had it right, WoW tweaked it and did it better.  People will copy and improve/mold the basic interface to met their MMOs needs. 

Also, this is s character creation screen:


All games that let you create a distinct character are going to have similar creation tools.

If I hear one more flame that describes an MMO "copying" WoW....

Also, if anyone talks about Warhammer being a rip-off of WoW, I'd like to point out the age of Warhammer vs. the age of Warcraft.  If anyone knows their history, Warhammer was directly ripped off in many instances by Warcraft. 

In short, all MMOs in the future are going to have a similar interface. 
I have a feeling that Vanguard is not as "easy" as WoW.  Vanguard seems group oriented, and therefore leveling will require people to be devoted to learning their class as a piece of a whole rather than an individual.  I fully support this idea, and I hope that the game gets the updates it needs. 


The only complaint a find totally valid is the fact that SoE seems to be pushing the game for a premature release.  Sadly, I think that could kill many subscribers who have to pay for rough gaming.  If the game turns out to be very similar to a well done EQ sequel, I will play it.  If it isn't, Warhammer is on its way.

after reading your post a few times, I' think Im beginning to understand what you're trying to say.

If you say all MMOs are similiar then yes in some aspects they are

1.  They're all Massive Multiplayer games
2.  The escape key will normally bring up additional options
3.  MMOs typically incorporate a hotkey.

That's common sense. I think many people realize this.

I look at it this way.

Hamburger joints all have things in common. 

1.  They all have bathrooms.
2.  They all have counters in which you go up to to order your food.
3.  Most of them have drivethroughs
4.  All of them sell hamburgers
5.  Most of them use either paper or cardboard to house their sandwhiches.

In terms of talking about Hamburger joints, I am describing Vanguard similiar to this:

1. There's a McDonald's
2.  There's a BurgerKing
3.  There's a Wendy's

Now....imagine driving down the highway and passing a

1. McDonnell's with two golden arches for a sign that reads millions and millions served.

When entering the establishment you go to their counter (in which ALL hamburger joints have) and pay at their register (in which all hamburger joints have). But you order the following:

1.  A Big Jack with no special sauce
2.  a nine piece Chicken McNuglet with honey sause
3.  And you get a complimentary McRib sandwhich with the purchase of two Chicken McGrills.

Sorry I had to resort to such silly comparisons but alas...I had to. 

Finally

It wasn't the virtual rip off clone of many WoW designs that made me not like it.  Not at all.  Anyone can look past that.

1.  I was sick and tired of having hardly any quests past 30. 
2.  I was sick and tired of feeling like I needed a master degree in Quantum computer programming to raise my FPS rates ingame
3.  I was tired of looking at the graphics of my toon. 
        a.  Animation was horrible. 
        b.  Spell animation was horrible. 
        c.  Character customization was horrible. 
        d.  Map interface was horrible (if you played the game you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about)
4.  Tired of the slow motion fight sequences and general all around slow motion feeling of the game.

Like I mention in an earlier thread.  Background graphics is beautiful.  However....every other graphics in game is stuck in 1999 mode.  I'm sorry, but if Im going to blow fifty bucks on a game I want a tight quest system, a tight lore system (only the goblin race has a REALLY good lore quest), and a nice graphics bundle....yeah...Im shallow....i like good graphics.

However...this is my opinion.  Everyone is entitled to their own.

Originally posted by Enigma
after reading your post a few times, I' think Im beginning to understand what you're trying to say.

If you say all MMOs are simi.....

I realize now how poorly executed my OP was.  I reread it and realized that when I was linking the picture I was thinking about some of the material I neglected to post.

I think your post had many complaints I feel are valid.  I also think a lot of people are stuck on features of that game that aren't stolen from anywhere in particular.

I am not sure why anyone would compare Vanguard to WoW anyway. The only thing I see where the two resemble each other is the interface.

WoW had solo gameplay till 60, Vanguard solo is dead In the water around 10 -12 depending on the class The two playstyles are pretty much diametricaly opposed.

WoW polished the heck out of their content limited as it was while it is pretty obvious Vanguard still is very very rough

WoW made things easy for the players with low death penalty, Vanguards are  more "painful" by far

WoW would play on virtually any machine or video card produced in the 4 years before it's release, vanguard needs a state of the art card and machine to get decent service

I could go on and on but Vanguard is far from being a WoW clone, it is more like EQ1 with demanding graphics

Originally posted by Jackdog

I am not sure why anyone would compare Vanguard to WoW anyway. The only thing I see where the two resemble each other is the interface.

WoW had solo gameplay till 60, Vanguard solo is dead In the water around 10 -12 depending on the class The two playstyles are pretty much diametricaly opposed.

WoW polished the heck out of their content limited as it was while it is pretty obvious Vanguard still is very very rough

WoW made things easy for the players with low death penalty, Vanguards are  more "painful" by far

WoW would play on virtually any machine or video card produced in the 4 years before it's release, vanguard needs a state of the art card and machine to get decent service

I could go on and on but Vanguard is far from being a WoW clone, it is more like EQ1 with demanding graphics

I see what you did there jack lol nice try

HL2 and Doom share nothing in common but the same views tbh.

I agree with the OP and it is not just a concern of interface and character creation tool, but also classes and professions such as Mages, Rangers, Warriors and many others have been around for quite sometime. These are extremely popular choice in a fantasy rpg setting. As for the character creation, of course similarities will exist, there isn't really any other way around creating a customized character. Btw, that 2nd screenshot is old lol. Here is a new one.

Thank you, sir!

All cars have steering wheels, gas pedals, brake pedals, and gearshift levers for a reason. While it's true that you can't hurt yourself or others in a game like you can in a car, the folks who make games eventually figure out that they can hurt themselves if they don't use controls similar to those that worked well for other games. It's sometimes called "adopting best practices".

We don't buy these things because the controls are different. We buy these things because some of the things the controls let us do are different. Familiar controls deliver us the payload faster and easier.

 

Originally posted by Poldano

Thank you, sir!

All cars have steering wheels, gas pedals, brake pedals, and gearshift levers for a reason.

 

Yes

Now....imagine you just bought a luxury car called a Oexus.  Looks damn close to a hybrid of a Lexus and an Oldsmobile but the engine is a POS and the leather is fake.

you are all fools this game was the benchmark for all pvp games look and the year the original meridian 59 was made and trust me it was before anything like WoW ......it was in fact one of the first games produced by 3DO that set the ways for what we are all addicts of...MMORPG and PVP