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OP  10/12/10 4:45:36 AM#21
Originally posted by yaminsux
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Sindri44
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Jaco1101
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Visc

First of all its FREE!!!

Second it's BETA!!!

 I have been on plenty of teams with IS-3's and up only to have our asses handed to us due to bad tactics. This isn't a FPS.

It's about tactics not just the best tank. Yet more people who can't hit the 'uber' button on the keyboard so they suggest "stay away", it's the player base like yourself that is ruining games.

What tactics do you use when your tank can't even damage the enemy tanks?

Hide in a bush?

Rush in and get slaughtered?

And to your comments about it being free and beta well that excuses everything.

I guess if you're afraid the best bet would be to stay away.

Yes I'm afraid... very afraid of crappy games so I'm staying away.

in-fact i wish you would stay away it make the game all the more better only beacuse you shot at a tank that had more armor then your penetration mabye you should learn this trick in the game it's called being useful if you carn't hurt it then do summing else like scout or keep the tank focused on you while the others that can hit it....well HIT IT

 

im sorry you have no right to bitch you knew the tank was bigger then you yet you still attcked it WHY????

like attacking a dragon with a pencil .....not gonna work yet i think your the type of retard that would actually (IF DRAGONS WAS REAL) attck it with a pencil

I'm glad to see that you are sorry and I play WoT to attack and kill other tanks NOT to spend the entire 15 minutes of a game hiding in a bush.

If the devs were able to balance the tiers properly we wouldn't have this problem but as it is right now it just plain sucks for every new player.

You are sitting in your tier 7+ tank telling me to shut up not realizing that you didn't have to go up against tier 7+ tanks in your tier 3 when you were at that point in the game.

 

Tactics #1 - defend your arty

Tactics #2 - destroy enemy arty

Tactics #3 - If you cant do #1 and 2, hide in bush and be arty food.

Defend your arty against a Tiger in your BT-7 you get oneshotted and die in flames.

Defend your arty against a IS-3 in your Panzer IV you get oneshotted and die in flames.

Have you had enough yet?

  dapprman

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10/12/10 6:01:47 AM#22
Originally posted by angriff

Face it this game is not historical at all and there are little tactics other than gang bang rushing.  It is after all an arcade game and is exactly like Navyfield for Tanks.

 

I'm sorry but you've just summed yourself up there as an arcade game player who should avoid MMOs.

I, like a good few people out there, have effectively moved from Navyfields (European servers) to WoT. Both games are incredibly tactical, however both have lots of players who care little about team play and just go after kills in a self-centered way. In Navyfields general play there's always been an issue over game play and tactics as you get impatient players who just assume they can charge in all guns ablazing and sink everything in sight (I would love to say these players don't hang around long, but alas many do stay). Once you get on to Fleet actions however (Harbour Assaults, League, Cups, etc) then the game becomes extremely tactical in nature. The same should hopefully happen after the Clan system comes out in World of Tanks.

 

And before you accuse me of being an IS-7/Mauss driver, I only started AFTER the last wipe and so have had to work my way up while the big tanks have been around. Sure it took a tier or two to get used to what to do and help from my friends and fleet mates - but the same information can be got from the WoT forums. As to balance, yeah it's a tad fubar at the moment, but the developers are looking at it. I think it also depends on time of day as when I was in low tier tanks, during weekend afternoons I was against other low tier tanks, highest being KV and Panzer 4s, however come the evening I did find myself with the heavy stuff. Same thing is still happening, so while I'd expect to be facing the big stuff in my T43 medium tank, I have seen the occasional loltraktors appearing.

 

Note there's a patch out this week that adds 2 more maps and has a fix for balance (so fingers crossed).

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  dapprman

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10/12/10 6:15:44 AM#23
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by yaminsux
Tactics #1 - defend your arty

Tactics #2 - destroy enemy arty

Tactics #3 - If you cant do #1 and 2, hide in bush and be arty food.

Defend your arty against a Tiger in your BT-7 you get oneshotted and die in flames.

Defend your arty against a IS-3 in your Panzer IV you get oneshotted and die in flames.

Have you had enough yet?

What yaminsux was trying to point out is that at the start of the battle many of the light tanks will try and zip round to scout the enamy and to try and find their artillery so either they can destroy it else their own arty can.  Going 45-60 km/h in a small light tank that's dancing/jinling makes you very hard to hit (though once hit yhou're still toast).

Note you get experience (for researching up to your next vehicle) for finding enemy vehicles (note this does not have to be first time, if some one else has found them, then they've gone to ground again and you're uncivered them once more - this counts), for damaging enemy vehicles (thoise scratchs on the enemy arty and light/medium tanks), and for destroying them (unlikely but I have sene light tanks finish off motrally wounded big beasts).  Get the exp in, research your next tank/spg/td and move on up.  (BTW if you get frustrated at dying, don't go TD as they are defensive sniping machines that require patience - drive one of these and you'll learn to hate low tier and light tanks as they knock your tracks out, move round your lightly armoured sides and rear, and pumble you).

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  Sindri44

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10/12/10 8:02:32 AM#24
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Sindri44
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Jaco1101
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Visc

First of all its FREE!!!

Second it's BETA!!!

 I have been on plenty of teams with IS-3's and up only to have our asses handed to us due to bad tactics. This isn't a FPS.

It's about tactics not just the best tank. Yet more people who can't hit the 'uber' button on the keyboard so they suggest "stay away", it's the player base like yourself that is ruining games.

What tactics do you use when your tank can't even damage the enemy tanks?

Hide in a bush?

Rush in and get slaughtered?

And to your comments about it being free and beta well that excuses everything.

I guess if you're afraid the best bet would be to stay away.

Yes I'm afraid... very afraid of crappy games so I'm staying away.

in-fact i wish you would stay away it make the game all the more better only beacuse you shot at a tank that had more armor then your penetration mabye you should learn this trick in the game it's called being useful if you carn't hurt it then do summing else like scout or keep the tank focused on you while the others that can hit it....well HIT IT

 

im sorry you have no right to bitch you knew the tank was bigger then you yet you still attcked it WHY????

like attacking a dragon with a pencil .....not gonna work yet i think your the type of retard that would actually (IF DRAGONS WAS REAL) attck it with a pencil

I'm glad to see that you are sorry and I play WoT to attack and kill other tanks NOT to spend the entire 15 minutes of a game hiding in a bush.

If the devs were able to balance the tiers properly we wouldn't have this problem but as it is right now it just plain sucks for every new player.

You are sitting in your tier 7+ tank telling me to shut up not realizing that you didn't have to go up against tier 7+ tanks in your tier 3 when you were at that point in the game.

 

im in a panzer 3 and Never attack IS-3's or anything instead i scout and kill the arty's (LIKE A SCOUT SHOULD) also anti-scout is another thing there plenty in the games to kill ive never been in a match where theres not a tank thats the same tier or that im able to kill mostly other panzer 3's or 4's  

 

also i didn't say hide in a bush i said why don't you be helpful and scout or try to annoy them with your speed

 

OH and you said you was tier 3 well tier 3 are mostly plqaced in there own little group with T-28's and sometimes KV's and tier 3 even get put in the Tier 1-2 battles i bet you not complaining when your put against MS-1's and panzer 2's are you???

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OP  10/12/10 9:46:37 AM#25
Originally posted by Sindri44
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Sindri44
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Jaco1101
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Visc

First of all its FREE!!!

Second it's BETA!!!

 I have been on plenty of teams with IS-3's and up only to have our asses handed to us due to bad tactics. This isn't a FPS.

It's about tactics not just the best tank. Yet more people who can't hit the 'uber' button on the keyboard so they suggest "stay away", it's the player base like yourself that is ruining games.

What tactics do you use when your tank can't even damage the enemy tanks?

Hide in a bush?

Rush in and get slaughtered?

And to your comments about it being free and beta well that excuses everything.

I guess if you're afraid the best bet would be to stay away.

Yes I'm afraid... very afraid of crappy games so I'm staying away.

in-fact i wish you would stay away it make the game all the more better only beacuse you shot at a tank that had more armor then your penetration mabye you should learn this trick in the game it's called being useful if you carn't hurt it then do summing else like scout or keep the tank focused on you while the others that can hit it....well HIT IT

 

im sorry you have no right to bitch you knew the tank was bigger then you yet you still attcked it WHY????

like attacking a dragon with a pencil .....not gonna work yet i think your the type of retard that would actually (IF DRAGONS WAS REAL) attck it with a pencil

I'm glad to see that you are sorry and I play WoT to attack and kill other tanks NOT to spend the entire 15 minutes of a game hiding in a bush.

If the devs were able to balance the tiers properly we wouldn't have this problem but as it is right now it just plain sucks for every new player.

You are sitting in your tier 7+ tank telling me to shut up not realizing that you didn't have to go up against tier 7+ tanks in your tier 3 when you were at that point in the game.

 

im in a panzer 3 and Never attack IS-3's or anything instead i scout and kill the arty's (LIKE A SCOUT SHOULD) also anti-scout is another thing there plenty in the games to kill ive never been in a match where theres not a tank thats the same tier or that im able to kill mostly other panzer 3's or 4's  

 

also i didn't say hide in a bush i said why don't you be helpful and scout or try to annoy them with your speed

 

OH and you said you was tier 3 well tier 3 are mostly plqaced in there own little group with T-28's and sometimes KV's and tier 3 even get put in the Tier 1-2 battles i bet you not complaining when your put against MS-1's and panzer 2's are you???

Bullshit I have actually played as a BT-7 (tier 3 russian light tank) going up against Tigers and KV-1s just because the stupid devs thinks that the BT-7 is such a great tank just because it can do 68 kilometers per hour or something on a dirt road.

  PapaB34R

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10/12/10 1:11:47 PM#26
Originally posted by angriff
Originally posted by PapaB34R
Originally posted by angriff

Ya I usually hate it when my T46 is matched against Tigers and Jagpanzer not to mention not having the ability to sit still after contact because of omnipotent single shot SPGs.  I have stopped using my T46 because it cannot compete and it costs more to fix than you get in points from the match win or lose.  

T46 is a light tank, it cant really damage anything but light tanks, so attacking jgdpanzers or tigers with it would be suicide, best role is protecting arty from enemy scouts and remember to never stay still in it, ever. Also if your using the automatic SH-37 try switching to the 45mm VT-42 it got better penetration, not as fast but.. probably a better allround cannon. Also since its a T3 tank its just one you need to grind through, doesnt take very long and at T4 youl get the T28 which.. altho isnt the best tank either, its fast and well.. its not half bad...

I am working on using the light vehicles where sometimes it takes 2 min to get a game because all the heavies are trying to match up.  Then when you get in there is the bunny hopping lag tanks that jump from spot to spot or the invisible tank that suddenly appears behind you doing the indian circle the wagon firing on the fly. 

light tanks doesnt yield much exp or creds, go for medium tanks/SPG/TDs instead, better yield.. although light tanks can give fast money since their mostly 2min tanks its simply bothersome to have as your main. Not to mention it only goes to t4 beyond that its forced medium.. As for lag and teleporting tanks we all have it.

Face it this game is not historical at all and there are little tactics other than gang bang rushing.  It is after all an arcade game and is exactly like Navyfield for Tanks.

Historical? Well it got somewhat historical battlefields and the tanks are supposidly exact replicas but since you can have a wehrmacht tiger and play with your buddys sovjet IS-2 you cant really say its historical correctness.. however claiming that the game has no tactic is stupid, that leaves only statistics and "skill" left. No matter how big/strong a tank is, no matter how skilled a certain player might be he/she wouldnt stand a chance against a bunch of mediums/tanks of higher tier then 5, if you try to play alone you die alone. Teamplay is crucial to success and when a bunch of people cooperate they tend to use a playable pattern ala tactic.

 

It is fun for free but pay?  I dont think so.

While I can undestand your fanboi attitude as you probably have tier 10 tanks .. two things you probably ranked up during the time when they just gave away gold and points.   Guess what all those that come after you have to be killed by yoru UBER SPG and guess what they will not want to play a game that they immediately die in and there is not one sigle tactic for sitting still with SPG firing at you and the guy you are firing at does not see you but gets a GHEYDAR icon where you are.  It is a dead end game this one.

 fanboi eh... well I like the game, it has its flaws but.. anyway when I started, premium didnt exist for one and their werent really a match making system so basicly any t3 would fight with any player availabe (Maus/IS7/etc) so its a lot easier now, still even though I died a lot, I just got back up and continued my climb through the ladder, if you play smart even a low tier vehicle can be a real asset to the team. As for SPGs well im in the close to biggest, slowest tank in the game so I know what they can do to you.. however if you use cover right, if you team up it gets less.. messy. But I cant figure out how a high tier SPG would be able to hit a T46. I mean its just about moving and continuing to do so and hiting such a low tier vehicle with a t5-t6 would be hard to say the least.

The big issue here is that you make points as a T46 but you spend so much fixing it the progress is about the same as a fight in a light.  Basically they have made the game into a climbing tower that you have been given and advantage and vets will always have and advantage.  The single player will not want to play this game.

If you cant play with the T46 then dont, its as simple as that, switch class or even tech tree, go with the germans. Besides lower tier vehicles always goes + in the end of combat even if they dont do jack shit, if I lose in my t9 I might go backwards 40k and at best I might make say after killing 6-7 around 45-49 with costs  of 30k, the lower tiers just needs to be get through and as T46 is T3 you could do it in a day, maybe in a couple hours. Ive been grinding with my Tiger2 for weeks and just recently got my t9 and you whine about a couple hours?

  Sindri44

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Posts: 24

10/12/10 5:15:30 PM#27
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Sindri44
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Sindri44
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Jaco1101
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Visc

First of all its FREE!!!

Second it's BETA!!!

 I have been on plenty of teams with IS-3's and up only to have our asses handed to us due to bad tactics. This isn't a FPS.

It's about tactics not just the best tank. Yet more people who can't hit the 'uber' button on the keyboard so they suggest "stay away", it's the player base like yourself that is ruining games.

What tactics do you use when your tank can't even damage the enemy tanks?

Hide in a bush?

Rush in and get slaughtered?

And to your comments about it being free and beta well that excuses everything.

I guess if you're afraid the best bet would be to stay away.

Yes I'm afraid... very afraid of crappy games so I'm staying away.

in-fact i wish you would stay away it make the game all the more better only beacuse you shot at a tank that had more armor then your penetration mabye you should learn this trick in the game it's called being useful if you carn't hurt it then do summing else like scout or keep the tank focused on you while the others that can hit it....well HIT IT

 

im sorry you have no right to bitch you knew the tank was bigger then you yet you still attcked it WHY????

like attacking a dragon with a pencil .....not gonna work yet i think your the type of retard that would actually (IF DRAGONS WAS REAL) attck it with a pencil

I'm glad to see that you are sorry and I play WoT to attack and kill other tanks NOT to spend the entire 15 minutes of a game hiding in a bush.

If the devs were able to balance the tiers properly we wouldn't have this problem but as it is right now it just plain sucks for every new player.

You are sitting in your tier 7+ tank telling me to shut up not realizing that you didn't have to go up against tier 7+ tanks in your tier 3 when you were at that point in the game.

 

im in a panzer 3 and Never attack IS-3's or anything instead i scout and kill the arty's (LIKE A SCOUT SHOULD) also anti-scout is another thing there plenty in the games to kill ive never been in a match where theres not a tank thats the same tier or that im able to kill mostly other panzer 3's or 4's  

 

also i didn't say hide in a bush i said why don't you be helpful and scout or try to annoy them with your speed

 

OH and you said you was tier 3 well tier 3 are mostly plqaced in there own little group with T-28's and sometimes KV's and tier 3 even get put in the Tier 1-2 battles i bet you not complaining when your put against MS-1's and panzer 2's are you???

Bullshit I have actually played as a BT-7 (tier 3 russian light tank) going up against Tigers and KV-1s just because the stupid devs thinks that the BT-7 is such a great tank just because it can do 68 kilometers per hour or something on a dirt road.

so have i and in-fact BT-7 isn't tier 3 it's tier 4 i also have a T-44 i used my soft-wipe exp to get there (again) but ive also played from the start to the panzer 3 you want a game that easy i don't i want it hard and challangein so i can have fun

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OP  10/12/10 5:51:49 PM#28
Originally posted by Sindri44
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Sindri44
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Sindri44
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Jaco1101
Originally posted by Alpha99
Originally posted by Visc

First of all its FREE!!!

Second it's BETA!!!

 I have been on plenty of teams with IS-3's and up only to have our asses handed to us due to bad tactics. This isn't a FPS.

It's about tactics not just the best tank. Yet more people who can't hit the 'uber' button on the keyboard so they suggest "stay away", it's the player base like yourself that is ruining games.

What tactics do you use when your tank can't even damage the enemy tanks?

Hide in a bush?

Rush in and get slaughtered?

And to your comments about it being free and beta well that excuses everything.

I guess if you're afraid the best bet would be to stay away.

Yes I'm afraid... very afraid of crappy games so I'm staying away.

in-fact i wish you would stay away it make the game all the more better only beacuse you shot at a tank that had more armor then your penetration mabye you should learn this trick in the game it's called being useful if you carn't hurt it then do summing else like scout or keep the tank focused on you while the others that can hit it....well HIT IT

 

im sorry you have no right to bitch you knew the tank was bigger then you yet you still attcked it WHY????

like attacking a dragon with a pencil .....not gonna work yet i think your the type of retard that would actually (IF DRAGONS WAS REAL) attck it with a pencil

I'm glad to see that you are sorry and I play WoT to attack and kill other tanks NOT to spend the entire 15 minutes of a game hiding in a bush.

If the devs were able to balance the tiers properly we wouldn't have this problem but as it is right now it just plain sucks for every new player.

You are sitting in your tier 7+ tank telling me to shut up not realizing that you didn't have to go up against tier 7+ tanks in your tier 3 when you were at that point in the game.

 

im in a panzer 3 and Never attack IS-3's or anything instead i scout and kill the arty's (LIKE A SCOUT SHOULD) also anti-scout is another thing there plenty in the games to kill ive never been in a match where theres not a tank thats the same tier or that im able to kill mostly other panzer 3's or 4's  

 

also i didn't say hide in a bush i said why don't you be helpful and scout or try to annoy them with your speed

 

OH and you said you was tier 3 well tier 3 are mostly plqaced in there own little group with T-28's and sometimes KV's and tier 3 even get put in the Tier 1-2 battles i bet you not complaining when your put against MS-1's and panzer 2's are you???

Bullshit I have actually played as a BT-7 (tier 3 russian light tank) going up against Tigers and KV-1s just because the stupid devs thinks that the BT-7 is such a great tank just because it can do 68 kilometers per hour or something on a dirt road.

so have i and in-fact BT-7 isn't tier 3 it's tier 4 i also have a T-44 i used my soft-wipe exp to get there (again) but ive also played from the start to the panzer 3 you want a game that easy i don't i want it hard and challangein so i can have fun

BT-7 is in fact a tier 3 tank.

There were no tier 7+ tanks when you were a tier 3 so try and understand this once and for all.

Aw fuck it you people are too darn stupid to argue with.

Enjoy your game until the server gets turned off due to people not interested in paying money (except for a very small number of idiot fan-boys) for such shite.

 

  sungodra

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10/12/10 6:02:46 PM#29

already heard about the 14 year old gms that run this game, now there are balancing issues that go unanswered aswell?

There was a previous post saying that the GM's were all given GM control on a first come first serve basis. That the gm's were immature... Not sure I want to play this game, but I am intrigued by it. Tanks does sound kind of fun, tbh.


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  Deathwing980

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10/20/10 2:17:29 AM#30
Originally posted by noluk

 Track that IS-7 with any tank in the game and your arty (you DID protect them from the enemy scout tanks right?) will be able to assist you and finish them off. 

uhh.. what friendly artillery tanks? everyone says they are overpowered and thus leave them for theirselves...

 

EXCUSE ME!!! BUT WE CANT EXACTLY SHOOT RECONS GOING 64Kmph!!! at point blank!

 

games great, lack of players with brains and tactics but great none the less, me and my friends (3 of us mind you) took down two IS-3's with tactics alone, granted i ran out of ammunition but jesus christ they did their job getitng him tracked and i would lob a few shells over the city walls at them..

 

the game takes tactics, nothing more nothing less... its people who dont understand that, that ruin games like these that have potential... still pissed you need gold to set up a platoon though (note, platoon = group of 3 players not a guild) so in otherwords, if they dont fix that i wont be around this game much to play since it doesnt like having friends to play with unless youve got good timing with on the count of 3 and praying to god you get on the same team.

  Ellestar

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10/20/10 2:39:34 AM#31
Originally posted by Deathwing980

the game takes tactics, nothing more nothing less... its people who dont understand that, that ruin games like these that have potential... still pissed you need gold to set up a platoon though (note, platoon = group of 3 players not a guild) so in otherwords, if they dont fix that i wont be around this game much to play since it doesnt like having friends to play with unless youve got good timing with on the count of 3 and praying to god you get on the same team.

Fix what exactly? You need at least one premium account out of 3 so to make a platoon of 3. That's one monthly subscription for 3 players, three times cheaper than most MMORPGs. They'll not change it. They need to make money, you know, they're not a charity.

  stayontarget

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10/20/10 2:58:44 AM#32
Originally posted by sungodra

now there are balancing issues that go unanswered aswell?

Balancing issues in a tank battle ? 

I'm sure there was balance in the field of battle during WW2....lolz

US, Russia, UK, France all got pwned by the german tanks & artty.  They did not start to catch up till later in the campaign.

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  Styij

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Posts: 191

10/20/10 3:13:22 AM#33
Originally posted by Gdemami

This was talked about a lot lately.

The reasoning is that currently the game is consisting of unbalanced playerbase. There are mostly players with lots of XP and very few new players.

The state of the playerbase is unnatural thus balancing system cannot work well.


People playing on RU servers say that the game is fine there, both versions use same balancing mechanics.


After all, it is a beta and such issues are expected.

 I wonder what the Russians are doing because this dosen't seem to make sense to me. After the game has been released for a while, like a year maybe, you will have a core of hard core players in high tier pown mobiles and the occasional new player getting dozered constantly-it will slowly become just like it is now in the American market. It will be just like Darkfall with a group of max players hounding the new accounts out of the game. Rinse and repeat. Mark my words, years from now we will be seeing threads on here about how grindy and boring WoT is. Besides, how interesting can the game that is so limited be in the long run...especially when you are getting raped every match.

The game is simply to limited in scope to thrive in the competitive American market. Now, if it had huge multi kilometer persistant world battlefields with objectives to take and hold so that historical speed, range, ammo and maintenance was an issue; coupled with combined arms like deployable infantry for the assault guns and an actual reason to have mobile medium tanks in the game to do blitzing then it might have staying power but now it is just a repeatitve shooter with major balance issues. If it falls into MMORPG's definition it has to be a pretty lose definition.

  Styij

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10/20/10 6:45:05 PM#34
Originally posted by stayontarget

US, Russia, UK, France all got pwned by the german tanks & artty.  They did not start to catch up till later in the campaign.

 Ah...not entirely correct. Actually German tanks and guns at the outset of the war were inferior to their allied counter parts. Both France and Russia had heavy tanks capable of defeating German armor. As the Germans captured this equipment, especially the guns, they integrated them into the armor divisions.

The primary reason the Germans did so well was that:

1. They had a much better understanding of how tanks should be used in theory and experience from the Spanish Civil war. So, while everyone else was trying to figure out how tanks fit into infantry divisions the Germans were putting tanks into their own stand alone divisions to take advantage of the tanks unique qualities. It wasn't until later that everyone else figured this out.

2. The Germans took training and practice very seriously. Everyone else washed and waxed thier tanks and tried not to get them too dirty. This coupled with the lessons learned in the Spanish Civil war gave the Germans the ability to fight circles, quite literally, around their opponents on the battlefield and defeat much larger and better equipped armys at the out set of the war. Comparatively, France had a very well equipped and large army in 1940 that it had no idea how to use properly in modern warfare of the time.

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10/21/10 6:50:28 AM#35

Arty needs a balance. Asides from that the way the game selects people it's trying to start games constaly with a small BETA player-base. The game does not have a release population so complaining about match making at this point is a sign you don't need to be in BETA. Yes it sucks to be the only III tank with a bunch of fatties and arty raining down, but it's five minutes of your life.  If you can't grasp how popualtion works in a game like this I really am at loss what to tell you without sounding like a complete asshat.

BETA.

Also; BETA.

  Doomcurse

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Joined: 7/11/10
Posts: 9

11/05/10 8:13:15 AM#36

I find the game pretty balanced, actually. They usually only have about 3-4 heavy tanks on each side (not over half the team like some people are claiming). Then you have your SPG's, which are usually 3 or 4, unless they're the bigger SPG's, then you get a smaller number. Medium tanks are the mainstay of the matches. Usually over half the team are in mediums, and a couple lights to scout with. 

If you're in a light, you can kill other lights and SPG's. If you're in a medium, you can kill lights, other mediums, and hurt heavies. In heavies, you can kill mediums, SPG's and TD's easily, but lights tend to go a bit fast for your turret rotation to keep up. As a heavy you're supposed to be used as a spearhead. You're not this unstoppable killing machine. Hell, I pilot a Tiger II most of the time, and I can't tell you how much I get swarmed by mediums and SPG's. When the enemy sees a heavy rolling down the lane, they're usually the primary target.

IMO, every tank has its use. It's the EVE Online concept: Whether you pilot a frigate or a titan, every ship has it's niche. The only reason people are complaining is because they don't understand what their tanks are supposed to be doing, and fail horribly as a light smashes into the grill of a heavy. That's not a balance issue. That's a common sense issue.

This isn't Call of Duty, kids. 

  Styij

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Joined: 5/23/07
Posts: 191

11/05/10 4:37:36 PM#37

I still don't see a real role for the medium tanks that lights or heavies can't do better. Traditionally the medium tank was used to get "good" fire power to a spot on a very large battlefield quickly, be cost effective to produce and provide tank divisions with a "flexable" tank. These roles do not really exist or are not needed currently. A team of heavies with lights for scouting/support is just as effective and capable, even more so, than a mixed team with mediums, IMO. If I remember correctly the Germans had what 60 some odd Tigers on the entire eastern front and only part of those actually operational? Everything that makes a heavy tank a disadvantage in war is pretty much evaporated once the heavy actually gets in the fight with full fuel and ammo like the scenarios are in WoT.

  angriff

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Joined: 5/30/09
Posts: 160

11/06/10 11:43:29 AM#38

This is such a joke it is unbelievable.  The medium tier tanks are matched up with tank that are 3 to 5 times their hit capablitiies and really only can take one hit from the bigger tanks.  The medium tank guns can do very little damage to a tank that is even the next tier up.  If you sit still to get a good shot on a big tank then the SPGs just blow you up using their unrealistic Satellite tracking system that can even allow them to lead moving tanks for a hit.  The game is about as arcade as they come.  Serious wargammers will avoid this game and once again some dev teams spends thousands of dollars and misses the mark.

  A1x2e3l

Novice Member

Joined: 6/09/10
Posts: 131

11/06/10 12:21:53 PM#39

This game is very shallow. It is just a nicely made arcade: no missions, no campaigns, no tactical and strategical build-in options (all is based on self-organization of players). The game is good for 2-3 moths but not for years. Clan wars and historical battles, new tank trees and maps will not rescue the situation (according to developers they will be performed on the same maps and in the same playing mode as random battles we see now). Sad, but that’s my conclusion after playing WoT for nearly 5 months (ca. 3000 battles) with all vehicle types (LT, MT, HT, TD, artillery). Unfortunately, I am not able to notice any changes for good in numerous interviews and forum posts of WoT developers.

  Wizardry

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Joined: 8/27/04
Posts: 7017

Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

11/06/10 12:36:21 PM#40
Originally posted by Visc

First of all its FREE!!!

Second it's BETA!!!

 I have been on plenty of teams with IS-3's and up only to have our asses handed to us due to bad tactics. This isn't a FPS.

It's about tactics not just the best tank. Yet more people who can't hit the 'uber' button on the keyboard so they suggest "stay away", it's the player base like yourself that is ruining games.

This post made the least amount of sense as i have ever seen in a post in my LIFE !.

It's free meaning what? it can be as crap as ever?

It's Beta,meaning what ?Beta means it needs feedback and improvement does it not?That is what the OP is stating, that there is problems that need fixing,that is what BETA is for..geesh.Sounds like a total botched up development team.I assume they banned the OP's thread because feedback/suggestions are not posted in that part of the site,yet they locked the developers corner,tells me they are just a dev team to stay VERY far away from,i hate disorganized dev teams.

You contradict yourself,you talk tactics and not uber but yet the game is flawed because UBER DOES own lesser tanks,btw FPS "IS" about tactics,ever play Unreal Tournament?Everyone has access to the exact same health/weapons/armour it is all about tactics.Having a better tank than someone else is not about tactics,it is actually a game i wouldn't play,this is why PVP fails in all MMORPG's,because it becomes about time=reward and better gear/stats =auto win.

Problem is that there is a very large group of childish gamers that play games they know they can gain an upper hand in ,either by cheating[millions do it]or by using RMT,or by powerleveling services or by spending more time than others,going for the time=reward stats.

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